Lendl’s forehand was absolutely devastating, especially during the era he played in. Your description of his forehand is spot on. I can remember watching Lendl practice in the early 80’s in Los Angeles. The poor player at the net was essentially playing dodge ball while Lendl pummeled balls from the baseline. Your videos are truly outstanding, I am always learning new concepts. THANK YOU!!!
Gul is was famous for this, stuck out like a sore thumb in preparation for the shot seemed super exaggerated and awkward. Most notably it worked. Will try it this morning Steve. .
You're a great teacher Steve. I don't think I could ever be patient enough to reply to so many "uninformed" nor "knee-jerk' comments with your gentle touch...
Hi Coach, My first comment here. Firstly, your content is by FAR the best on Tennis RUclips. Everytime its something fresh and interesting. I will try this. Will an Eastern grip work? Do you have a grip recommendation for it?
I have done it with my kid who was doing modern takeback.his wrist was blocked at pet dog moment to impact zone. So,We changed it 6 months ago and it really works. I my case I have done it for 35 years myself and i guranteé my ball bounces over other player shoulder as a rule the change is amazing. I did not teach it to mybkid thinking it was old fashioned. But ht was strugling with modern take back and could not manage hitting heavy topspin.
very cool. why don't more players do this? what are the disadvantages? Is there a loss of poser bc the racquet head does not fall as much? I'm just wondering why more players dont do this?
Also not great for those with a more aggressive semi-western or full western grip… just too much wrist rotation. I could see this work better for eastern grip or mild semi grips. If you think of players like Kyrgios or Tiafo or Lendl… they are fundamentally flat hitters who have modified their forehand swings to yield more spin. But for players with more aggressive grips (ie. most EU and South American clay court players) this take-back would be a nightmare due to the added wrist strain and excessive wrist rotation and probs lead to injury. Plus, this whole take back can really put your shoulder rotation at cross purposes with the drop and swing momentum… in unconditioned players I’d wager the shoulder rotation involved in transitioning from the high elbow / low wrist take-back to the racket lag phase will give a lot of people shoulder discomfort around the rotator. Oddly, the more conservative your grip is, the easier this extreme take-back would be to implement. But if you already have an aggressive grip, then this take-back will cause a lot timing issues, late-to-the-ball shanking, and wrist- and shoulder discomfort.
Did you not see the 3 times that I say that this stroke is not for everyone? This is simply an option for players who are struggling to get spin. And Tiafoe is a long way from Eastern grip. The players who use this all employ a semi Western grip and all hit heavy topspin.
@@oneminutetennis I did note your warnings, but you never got into the _why_ of it or it’s injury potential. And Tiafo plays a pretty mild semi western, and while he hits heavy top by most standards (every ATP 1500 player basically does), I wouldn’t consider his forehand “heavy top” by comparison to classic clay-style forehands like Moya, Guga, Nadal, Verdasco, or even northern EU clay kids like Zverev etc.
@@oneminutetennis to be quite honest, for most rec players, if they see an improvement on their forehand due to the high-elbow-over-wrist take back, it’s probably because it naturally forces the elbow away from the body… and it’s that fact… let’s call it the “distant elbow”… that’s responsible for most of the early gains they might see. But I think it’s far healthier to model Nadal’s or Alcatraz’s take back, where the wrist is still above the elbow… but where the elbow is far away from the body to create space, that is the healthier way of achieving that sensation of looseness, freedom, and acceleration. The exaggerated elbow-over-wrist take back is just an injury waiting to happen for most rec players… too much shoulder, neck, and rotator fatigue. It’s all hunky dory if you’re Tiafo, in your 20’s, lifting every day, with an 8-person professional team of physio therapists and personal trainers, but most people watching your videos are not. Look, you’re an amazing coach and I love your videos… all I’m saying is this: if you’re the average rec player past your mid-30’s and want more topspin, this is NOT a safe or healthy way to go about it.
I think the high elbow facilitates a flatter shot because you don't drop the racket down as low as pat the dog. If you look at your video clip of Tiafoe's forehand, the ball doesn't travel very high above the net. And this is consistent with my own experience with my forehand. If you want to hit a ball with more topspin, the racket has travel from low to high and the lower you get, the more topspin you get. That's just physics. Just look at Nadal and Fed's forehand. I've said before that the next gen forehand is just Fed's high ball forehand and Tiafoe's is just a personalized version. It's a driving version of Fed's ATP forehand.
Sorry, but you are missing the point. You are describing the next gen forehand. This can be flat, or hit with topspin . But the even higher elbow and inverted racket is different. The inverted racket makes a flat shot very unlikely. And as to your observation regarding the height of the Tiafoe forehand... Topspin can be directed low, or high. The shape of the path of the ball is the defining factor. As ever, thanks for your interest. Not many players get out and try my ideas, to be able to make an informed response within such a short amount of time. Many thanks for your comments
@@oneminutetennis , "As ever, thanks for your interest. Not many players get out and try my ideas, to be able to make an informed response within such a short amount of time." Great observation Steve...
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Lendl’s forehand was absolutely devastating, especially during the era he played in. Your description of his forehand is spot on. I can remember watching Lendl practice in the early 80’s in Los Angeles. The poor player at the net was essentially playing dodge ball while Lendl pummeled balls from the baseline. Your videos are truly outstanding, I am always learning new concepts. THANK YOU!!!
Gul is was famous for this, stuck out like a sore thumb in preparation for the shot seemed super exaggerated and awkward. Most notably it worked. Will try it this morning Steve. .
You're a great teacher Steve. I don't think I could ever be patient enough to reply to so many "uninformed" nor "knee-jerk' comments with your gentle touch...
Going to try this tomorrow with a junior. Guaranteed topspin sounds great
Very interesting video. I've played with this before and it really creates topspin. But I had missed the elbow position. Thank you
First. And I can't wait to change this. I always thought tiafoe just had a weird Forehand. Now I understand it
Hi Coach, My first comment here. Firstly, your content is by FAR the best on Tennis RUclips. Everytime its something fresh and interesting. I will try this. Will an Eastern grip work? Do you have a grip recommendation for it?
I have done it with my kid who was doing modern takeback.his wrist was blocked at pet dog moment to impact zone. So,We changed it 6 months ago and it really works. I my case I have done it for 35 years myself and i guranteé my ball bounces over other player shoulder as a rule the change is amazing. I did not teach it to mybkid thinking it was old fashioned. But ht was strugling with modern take back and could not manage hitting heavy topspin.
Genius. I call it
Brilliant as usual
Important topic, well handed.
Will you also be covering faultless techniques for flattening out shots?
Thanks
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very cool. why don't more players do this? what are the disadvantages? Is there a loss of poser bc the racquet head does not fall as much? I'm just wondering why more players dont do this?
Does this work for female players. I really struggle with creating spin
Alicia, I don't think a penis is required.
Man… I don’t know… this is a hard swing to time as a rec player… I foresee lots of shanked balls coming to a court near you :).
Also not great for those with a more aggressive semi-western or full western grip… just too much wrist rotation. I could see this work better for eastern grip or mild semi grips.
If you think of players like Kyrgios or Tiafo or Lendl… they are fundamentally flat hitters who have modified their forehand swings to yield more spin.
But for players with more aggressive grips (ie. most EU and South American clay court players) this take-back would be a nightmare due to the added wrist strain and excessive wrist rotation and probs lead to injury.
Plus, this whole take back can really put your shoulder rotation at cross purposes with the drop and swing momentum… in unconditioned players I’d wager the shoulder rotation involved in transitioning from the high elbow / low wrist take-back to the racket lag phase will give a lot of people shoulder discomfort around the rotator.
Oddly, the more conservative your grip is, the easier this extreme take-back would be to implement. But if you already have an aggressive grip, then this take-back will cause a lot timing issues, late-to-the-ball shanking, and wrist- and shoulder discomfort.
Did you not see the 3 times that I say that this stroke is not for everyone?
This is simply an option for players who are struggling to get spin.
And Tiafoe is a long way from Eastern grip.
The players who use this all employ a semi Western grip and all hit heavy topspin.
@@oneminutetennis I did note your warnings, but you never got into the _why_ of it or it’s injury potential. And Tiafo plays a pretty mild semi western, and while he hits heavy top by most standards (every ATP 1500 player basically does), I wouldn’t consider his forehand “heavy top” by comparison to classic clay-style forehands like Moya, Guga, Nadal, Verdasco, or even northern EU clay kids like Zverev etc.
@@oneminutetennis to be quite honest, for most rec players, if they see an improvement on their forehand due to the high-elbow-over-wrist take back, it’s probably because it naturally forces the elbow away from the body… and it’s that fact… let’s call it the “distant elbow”… that’s responsible for most of the early gains they might see.
But I think it’s far healthier to model Nadal’s or Alcatraz’s take back, where the wrist is still above the elbow… but where the elbow is far away from the body to create space, that is the healthier way of achieving that sensation of looseness, freedom, and acceleration. The exaggerated elbow-over-wrist take back is just an injury waiting to happen for most rec players… too much shoulder, neck, and rotator fatigue.
It’s all hunky dory if you’re Tiafo, in your 20’s, lifting every day, with an 8-person professional team of physio therapists and personal trainers, but most people watching your videos are not.
Look, you’re an amazing coach and I love your videos… all I’m saying is this: if you’re the average rec player past your mid-30’s and want more topspin, this is NOT a safe or healthy way to go about it.
Looks like how Sock hits his forehand right? see v=jOtHzC23rQc
I think the high elbow facilitates a flatter shot because you don't drop the racket down as low as pat the dog. If you look at your video clip of Tiafoe's forehand, the ball doesn't travel very high above the net. And this is consistent with my own experience with my forehand. If you want to hit a ball with more topspin, the racket has travel from low to high and the lower you get, the more topspin you get. That's just physics. Just look at Nadal and Fed's forehand. I've said before that the next gen forehand is just Fed's high ball forehand and Tiafoe's is just a personalized version. It's a driving version of Fed's ATP forehand.
Sorry, but you are missing the point.
You are describing the next gen forehand.
This can be flat, or hit with topspin .
But the even higher elbow and inverted racket is different.
The inverted racket makes a flat shot very unlikely.
And as to your observation regarding the height of the Tiafoe forehand... Topspin can be directed low, or high. The shape of the path of the ball is the defining factor.
As ever, thanks for your interest. Not many players get out and try my ideas, to be able to make an informed response within such a short amount of time.
Many thanks for your comments
@@oneminutetennis , "As ever, thanks for your interest. Not many players get out and try my ideas, to be able to make an informed response within such a short amount of time."
Great observation Steve...
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It's great that your enjoying the site.
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