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Nice catch. Yeah, I like to do things as simply as possible. I often use MS Paint to make thumbnails as well :P

@@AlexeiVoronin Huh, neat.

Heh, I still have an old CD-R from 2001 with lots of archived old stuff (documents and game-related stuff). These old maps of mine were on it too :D

No, there wasn't one... although, as far as I know, it is possible to use the 1.1 IWAD with the 1.0 executable.

Haven't seen one. Once there was some WAD that supposedly followed the Doom Bible, but its level design was very modernistic, nothing like 1993.

@@AlexeiVoronin Oh. As for the second past of the question? Kinda want to rip maps from those prerelease WADs and continue from there as a GZDoom mod.

Oooh, I don't knowe, this sounds like a big committment. Though, as the saying goes, "never say never."

Heh, this sounds encouraging. Perhaps some day I will try to make another Doom map ;)

@@AlexeiVoronin I'd definitely watch a livestream where you were working on a project, maybe even discussing ideas with audience or just mapping away while your community watches. I'm sure everyone would love it!

@@__JiG__SaW__ I've never tried live streaming before. Perhaps some day... when I feel ready enough.

Thank you, Caco brother.

Well, I always improvise, so some stuff is bound to be forgotten while recording...

@@AlexeiVoronin it's fine, still a great video! Took me back to my own time exploring these early versions years ago, so nice of id to have released them back in the day. And it's always cool to see how the levels evolved from simple flat mazes to what we got in the final game. Have you seen the maps hidden in the files of the new Doom release? One of them is the version of 0.5's E1M1 adapted as what I imagine was an early version of E3M9, with the same ideas like a spoofed exit that has a cyber demon and the rest of the map opening up as you go back.

There wre two more maps that followed it, both of them lost... One of them was something like an underground hi-tech facility, and the other was a large house with detailed rooms inside.

Thanks for the suggestion, I will look ijto it at some point, although I think vanilla DOSBox actually is still being developed... albeit very, very, very slowly. There was a new SVN build (r4484) released just 9 days ago. I remember a friend of mine having a lot of weird glitches with Quake (ando ther games) when he used some version of DB called Daum.

Who knows... as tghe old saying goes "Carmack works in mysterious ways."

Is there a difficulty 6 bug? Because if there’s no difficulty 6 bug, there’s input validation of some sort

@@kirksealls1912 When I tested this, inputting numbers above 5 just sets the game to Nightmare difficulty.

AFAIK, there is no way to get the SSG as long as the game is running in "Doom 1 mode." There was a bit more peculiar behavior in the beta versions preceding the release of Doom 2 - in older versions, using IDKFA in Doom 1 and then trying to select the shotgun would immediately crash the game. In a later beta, they "fixed" this by making the shotgun unselectable after using the cheat.

You know, made a custom episode for Wolf 3D a few years ago and it turned out better than my Doom levels. If you're curious, google "Wolf3D St Bart cathedral" and it should appear as the first result.

That's one thing that makes these old games even more impressive - they managed to make them so cool even though they had such primitive editing tools to work with (not to mention the numerous limitations of DOS and the hardware of the time). Yeah, it would have been great to make 6 more maps and thus make a full sixth episode. E6M2 in particular is too good a map to be wasted.

It is possible different versions of EXE and WAD got mixed up.

Heh, it seems you weren't the only one, considering how quickly they removed them. I still think they look neat.

It's the secret "I'm free!" image from Rise of the Triad, which appears when a moving wall goes beyond the level's borders. There's a hidden map in the game where this bug is deliberately set up, so that people can have a chance to see this image (drawn by Tom Hall as a joke). So, if the pinky is removed from the picture, you'd see a goofy smiling wall that has "escaped" from the level.

@@AlexeiVoronin There we go! I had an inkling that it was ROTT. Thanks for confirming, and keep up the good work!

I've seen similar horror-themed mods where the levels are empty (and sometimes all walls are replaced with grey textures to make it seem more lifeless and unsettling), and the player is stalked by some randomly-appearing monster that mustn't be looked at (or else).

It works, since the Final Doom executable is built upon all previous others, so it supports all IWADs... though there are some small issues. For example, Ultimate Doom's Help screen doesn't work, so pressing F1 causes an immediate crash. I think this problem is unique to the updated id Anthology executable.

@@AlexeiVoronin Well one of the things that brought the question to mind was the old steam version of Final Doom had set up the directories wrong, and it resulted in TNT loading up the Plutonia level names and intermission texts. Which is why I wanted to see what texts get loaded when the .exe actually gets to choose which IWAD to load.

Haven't tried it, although I suspect there would be compatibility issues.

It truly is amazing how Doom can surprise us even 30 years later...

The chef is pleased to hear this ;)

It's like that meme "I was there, Gandalf, 3000 years ago..." Yeah, while my memory is a bit fuzzy, I think I first played Doom at some point in 1994 as well. It was the 1.0 shareware version and it was the most mind-blowing thing I had ever seen displayed on a monitor. I'm sure you know the feeling. ACtivating both the crusher and the rising floor works only in a modern source port, and it looks kinda awkward, like the ceiling is going through the floor. But it doesn't work in vanilla - once the crusher starts, the floor is stuck forever (even if you stop the crusher).

@AlexeiVoronin I tried the floor+crusher combo in the Doom+Doom 2 Remaster (Night Dive Studios/Machinegun Games). It was very, very odd looking. As fat as my first impression of Doom.... I was 13 years old, and I thought computers were the biggest wastes of time. Here are these big albatrosses that couldn't somehow play Super Mario/Sonic but cost over 10 times the cost of a console. I was heavily invested in Street Fighter II and competitive play. At the time, I had both the Sega Genesis/Sega CD and Snes. I was actually playing SF2SC on the Genesis when my dad walked in the front door with a new computer for work. My dad tried to get me to leave SF2SC for a few minutes to check out his new rig, but I wasn't interested. Until I heard what I thought was gun fire and screams. I paused my game, walked into the computer room, and.. Was struck dumb by what I saw. My dad was running around E1M2 Shareware Vanilla Doom with the pump shotgun blasting everything in sight. I thought... how was this possible? Am I dreaming? The game is in full 3d, and it was insanely fast. I saw a game with the best graphics, sounds, and gameplay I had ever witnessed. I wanted to play it right then and there. It was a tour de force of gaming that made everyone else before it seem pedestrian. I was also lucky enough to experience Hexen (or was it Heretic) that day as well.

@@Sinn0100 Too bad there isn't a way to experience Doom for the very first time again. I remember my folks were also there and we were all pretty amazed by what we saw. We were already familiar with Wolf 3D, but this was like a huge leap forward in both technology and gameplay. Luckily for me, my folks were never really concerned about violence in video games, so they never restricted my playing of Doom and other FPS. They played Doom too, actually - my dad's in-game alias was "Neonknight." I think he was the first to discover the secret level, E1M9. Good times :)

Greetings to you too! Glad you're having fun.

Mon Dieu, now this is something I never knew. Thanks :)

@@AlexeiVoronin you're welcome. And of course, the lowest priority is doom1.wad (shareware doom).

This could work in the Quake engine, but not in Doom - only floors can have speial effects (like causing damage).

No, the fact that a floor damages you relies on 2 things: 1. You are standing on the floor of the sector 2. The sector properties specify that it does damage The texture choices (floor/ceiling/walls) themselves do nothing, and if you are "in the ceiling" you are likely not standing either. If the ceiling looks like acid, but you don't take damage from standing in the sector, then the sector wasn't marked to damage you at all. The reason a floor damages you is entirely separate from how it looks, it's just usually a convention that the nukage floor texture is used with a specific sector type to do it's damage effect while you stand there, and others like lava use a similar but different sector type that does more damage each time it procs. Some maps / campaigns don't follow this convention so it's sometimes unclear if blood pools, or dirty water hurts you, and it can even be different for different maps, or even different uses of the same texture in the same map; inconsistencies like this are either a mistake or intentional cruelty on the part of the mapper. There are notable exceptions, such as in E2M1 of Doom there is a doorway shaped like a cross that does damage while you stand within it, but has a normal floor texture, and in E2M5 there is a sector in front of a wall with a Arch-vile carving that also does damage if you stand on the otherwise normal looking floor in front of it. There is also a version of the damaging floor type that causes the sector light level to pulse, which is at least a clue that something is wrong, such as in E2M7. If the mapper wanted to, they can make a map where it's only safe to walk on lava/nukage/acid/boiling blood, and the regular floor hurts you. The only real limitation is that only one sector type can be used at a time in Vanilla Doom, so you can't have most the normal flickering lights, secrets, or the timed sector open/closing logic on a floor that also damages the player. BOOM compatible maps (and later formats) allow arbitrary mixing of the sector type options. A tricky map could use the ceiling texture to indicate damage instead, such as open-sky being a hazard (maybe you are a vampire?). In E2M2 (Containment Area) there is a secret bridge across a damaging blood pool that is revealed by looking at the ceiling.

But are you a power load? :P AFAIK, player starts are treated as special cases, so they work even on difficulty 0. I haven't tried saving and loading... but maybe it would work?

Yeah, the Quake engine was designed with Pentium in mind.

@@AlexeiVoronin You are right! Like Unreal was developed with the Voodoo glide 3d libraries in mind! Had to buy a diamond 3d master (used, not new... was too young and poor) to play it decently! Memories...hell, this make me feel old! Damn! But guess what, I still have the old pentium pc in the basement...

@@F51361 Aww, good for you. Alas, we never kept any of our old PC's. The most "vintage" thing I have is a 20-year-old laptop (with WinXP). It was a birthday present from my late grandma.

I can just hear Midnight breathing heavily in Spanish now...

Great memories, for sure. I used Doom 95 for a long time too, probably until 2006 or so.

Your mom played Doom? Damn that's cool

@@theatrum95 Mine played it too, though she had some difficulties finding her way around the maps :P

@@benismann that wad is so unsettling!

Oh, I've seen this WAD as well. Quite disturbing.

Heh, found some of them from personal experience, others - from the Wiki.

Hmmm, well, I don't usually concern myself with "canonicity" - I like to think that the Doom series doesn't have some super-strict established canon. It feels more inclusive this way. I also don't think the loss of his fellow marines before the beginning of Doom 1 is the main reason Doomguy hates the demons so much... even though losing a pet is quite traumatic.

Then how would you determine which object layout to use for weapons and items and such

I remember at least one of the Commander Keen games had faulty code that allowed you to enter something like difficulty 0 (or "Super Easy" mode), though it is practically identical to Easy (difficulty 1).

It's not really anything planned by the devs really, entities in doom maps are called 'things' in editors and they come with a flag value to tell things like in which difficulty do they appear. Is it multiplayer only? if it's a monster, is it in ambush mode (doesn't react to sound, only wake up on seeing the player or being hurt.) Internally, for placing things in a level, there are 3 difficulties, Easy with a value of 1, Medium with a value of 2, and Hard with a value of 4. Furthermore, Ambush has a value of 8, multiplayer only a value of 16. So, for example, for a thing to appear in all difficulties but to not be in ambush or multiplayer only, you give it a flag value of 7, adding the values of each difficulties together. Skill 0 has no defined difficulty value, it's neither easy, medium or hard, therefore nothing is enabled in the map. The only exception to this are the player starts, as they always works and don't take into account their flag value, enabling us to play on skill 0 with crashing.

@@DidyzZ666 Yeah, in a previous video I showed how an older version of E3M6 had numerous missing objects due to incorrect difficulty flags.

lmao

I haven't tried that, but I suppose it would result in lots of error messages at startup.