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Isn't it also very strange that all the 1st century sources that could refute this claim are lost to us and we only have a handful of non christian sources that mention christians and even then we can show that these references were inserted into the record much, much later? This religion isnt acting as though its legitimate in its claims

Good stuff

luke was an outstanding historian just by being so flawed

Saintly bitches

Thank the Universe for my Australian life, few apologists ,few guns, few gangs, few filthy cities and few Karens , and an aged pension that is comfortable.Million dollars houses mostly empty is common .

I was raised in church, continued to go to church after I joined the Navy, after I left the Navy, went to church Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, Wednesday evenings, participated, even led Bible studies. But I did not live at all like a Christian. I could share firsthand experiences that have solidified my 'faith". Just over a year or so ago, 'God' called me to repentance. In the last year, He has worked in my life and one of the first messages I listened to was Adrian Rodgers' "Four Lies That Ruined the World". I had been believing all four lies. For those who are open minded, I would offer you might invest an hour of your time to listen to that message. I have been listening to Stephen Davey (The Wisdom Journey) and John Bradshaw. Listening to these people would also be a good investment of your time. 'God' has impressed upon me that Hell is real, it is for ETERNITY, NO Christian wants anyone to go to Hell, judgment IS coming and time IS running out. 'God' is not willing that ANY will perish - THAT is why He has delayed His return. He will give everyone enough information to either repent or to not repent but He will not FORCE anyone to repent. And I know firsthand what He will do in the life of someone who truly repents. Finally, 1 John, which was one of the first books I read after He called me to repentance, says "If someone claims to be a Christian but does not LIVE like a Christian, he is a LIAR." I was a liar for 45+ years. I am so glad He called me to repentance. Nothing but joy joy joy and excitement. Don't let these 'debunkers' lead you to forfeit your eternity. David Adams, Mobile, AL dadamsjr@live.com

Richard Carrier is not a New Testament scholar, and he contradicts modern scholars on the historical Jesus. I quote numerous scholars in my article on the historical Jesus. The link is in my Community section. The eminent British scripture scholar and classicist F.F. Bruce writes:..."Luke's record entitles him to be regarded as a writer of habitual accuracy." (Bruce, The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable?, p. 90). The Roman historian Colin Hemer overwhelmingly confirms the historicity of the New Testament. (see Hemer, Acts in the Setting of Hellenistic History). The Book of Acts has at least 84 facts that have been confirmed by historical and archaeological research. (see Geisler and Turek, I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an atheist, pp. 256-259). The classical Roman historian A.N. Sherwin-White notes: "For the New Testament book of Acts, the confirmation of history is overwhelming...Any attempt to reject its basic historicity, even in matters of detail must now appear absurd. Roman historians have long taken it for granted." (Sherwin-White, Roman Society and Roman Law in the New Testament, p. 189).

Great talk but poor sound quality ASUSUAL.

Satan has many more degrees than that .Do not be deceived!!!!!!!

The obvious question with these debunkers: were you there? In person? And if not -- certainly not in Dr. Carrier's case -- all this verbiage amounts to just another historical fabulation.

Mr Carrier is brilliant scholar! I tell you-I am sooo over freaking religion. It’s a human mind virus psychosis! Religion is the excuse for all sorts of horror. Murder and violence and hatred. Humans don’t need some extra reasons to kill each other. You’ll NEVER get them all to ‘believe’ the same things. Thus they’ll divide into groups to kill each other. It’s bullshit! I’m deathly sick of it. If I could, I’d OUTLAW all religions! It does none any good and just divides us. To make it beyond sanity; add to the mix, that as Mr Carrier shows-its all fantasy and lies. There was never a ‘Jesus’ person or Moses or any of the other fukheads. No gods no demons no angels no supernatural crap. Just dumbass humans who cling wishfully to fantasy. It’s time to end it goddamnit once and for all. Close the damn churches and lock up the pedo priests and prophets like David Koresh, Jim jones, Applewhite, et al. And all the other charlatans and clowns preying (and praying) on weak minded fools. Pastors and ministers and creeps. They know it’s lies and still do it for money and power and sex. Tar and feather every asshole with a Bible. Do it now before fuk religious nonsense starts WORLD WAR 3 and the nukes pop. I’m not kidding. This horseshit is existential threat!! The sane minded reasonable people must unite to end this before it ends us all!!

Maybe all the Apostles are made up characters.

People only believe what they want to believe without finding out for themselves. We all.are responsible for out own eternal destinies.I know where my hope rests A university cannot give you a faith in God and His word the Bible.

"Yeah, you can be part of our club, but first we're going to have to chop part of your dick off." They must have had some really good snacks at that temple.

This guy obtained his degree in Greek mythology so his prospective on the Bible will b similar to Greek mythology….this man denied the existence or any historical evidence or proof the historical Jesus existed….. also goes on to say no ancient documents exist prove otherwise

Luke wrote Acts of the apostles and reveiw of all time and places shows perfect historical content and likewise a beautiful description of all the things God accomplished through his beloved son and the salvation God is now presenting through people who will daily study their bible and so show themselves approved unto God and therefore are never going to be ashamed - but people who seek to defame God and his word have nothing more they can do but face eternal destruction from the presence of the Lord

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This was fantastic

Well a great deal of the bible is fiction. It isn't delusion as much as brainwashed. I mention this many times in my own vids. When you are told something as a child and educated about it continuously in your school followed by multiple days a week in your church---you believe it. This is what I ask the Christian (former Christian here). How much have you actually researched? And researching doesn't mean reading a book by one of your own and just agreeing with it because it matches your already programmed worldview. It means checking for legitimacy. All of us deconverts were once Christians. And we did the research and as I always tell my own people. If you do the research you won't be a Christian for very long. Cheers, DCF

Carrier believes in fake Paul, John, and, Pilate. Therefore, he is gullible, and, leads gullible people in a false historical circle. When atheists learn to doubt Carrier they will earn my allegiance again. Those who think they know the minds of Biblical authors are on very thin ice. Atwill , the non-historian, is more correct in his ahistorical analysis of Josephus's BS "war of the Jews". It was more like a limited rebellion judging by the archaeology.

There were dozens of Messiah's and scriptures in the 1st century, Why isn't Q just considered a part of that, What makes you any difference than all of those other Scriptures written in that Period

humbly, Hitchens is a narcissist looking for ppl like you maybe to flatter as he is flattered by your attention. . . he cant disagree with out being disagreeable and looses all credibility. E=mc2 unless your an atheist , then it means nothing, they skip over that part , and entropy when they explain the big bang and evolution , its sister fallacy . i use to think this way once, but i learned for myself the Savior is real, lives, and is the Son of the Most High. The Lord has blessed my life and family like millions of us. I admonish you to read about the Great Apostasy in the Book of Mormon . and the apostasy thats happening in science, constitutional government, education.. family etc...You will learn the truth, best wishes ps... how ironic this man and many like him with his flattering words has Judeo/.Christian name s in his family bloodline, .and uses the Christian Calendar to celebrate his birthdays. Like Thomas Jefferson eloquently penned '' its self evident. !''

For proof of the crucifixion, Look up "THE CRUCIFIX FISH - WHAT THE CRUCIFIX FISH REVEALS"

Carrier's statement here that the Peter and Paul (and their respective communities) were in opposition to each other contradicts his claim that 1 Clement wasn't written in in the 90s but rather in the 60s of the first century. Because 1 Clement teaches that both Peter and Paul taught essentially the same gospel message and that upon their deaths they went to heaven. I suppose this apparent contradiction in Carrier's view could be resolved if his views on the re-dating of 1 Clement is a relatively recent position which he came to accept after his lecture in this video (which seems to have been given 2014).

A bunch of assumptions taken as truth smh no proof that Mark came first. The logic is "Mark has least details so it must have been written first!" That's the foundation of their assumption.

Cheap microphone. Poor acoustics. I couldn't listen to this for that reason. Such a shame because I really wanted to hear Richard carrier.

Paul is Not as Odysseus but a similar ish like tale but with devilish corruptions. Nothing to do with Priam or Hector or Achilles.

And the longest piece of the Christian Bible is acts not Matthew but Acts. And it's stephen's speech to his fellow jews and the sanhedrin.

Then holy occult book of Acts perverts and corrupts the Sacred Scriptures of Homer our teacher and Prophets as a pagan I teach this.

I like to think of it like monty python and the holy grail when they all split up to look for the grail lol

The historical Jesus was a 1st century king of E.dessa. Biblical: King Jesus Em Manuel of Judaea. Historical: King Izas Manu of E.dessa and Judaea. See book: Jesus King of E.dessa. Ralph

Carrier claimed the following: >>Carrier says: >>No mention is made of any arms being taken (onto the Mount of Olives). Has Carrier ever read the New Testament? Jesus ordered swords to be purchased in Luke 22:36. They were delivered to Jesus in Luke 22:38. Jesus went to the Mount of Olives in Luke 22:39, and those same swords were used on the Mount of Olives in 22:50 to cut off an ear. Why does Prof Richard Carrier not know of this? . >>Carrier says: >>Jesus is not the high priest in any Gospel narrative Yet Hebrews 7 details how and why Jesus became High Priest. The explanation is complex, because Jesus was not a Levite and needed an excuse. . >>Carrier says: >>There is no revolt in the Gospels. Yet Mark 15:7 says, quote: “And there was one named Barabbas, which lay bound with them that had made revolution with him, who had committed murder in the insurrection.” In what way is that not a revolution? . >>Carrier says: >>The only Jesus the Talmudic rabbis know about died >>before the Romans arrived in Judaea. Jesus is called Yeshu the Nazarene in five places in the Talmud (see Sanhedrin 43). In addition, the Jewish Encyclopaedia says: “the pseudonym ‘Balaam’ is given to Jesus in Sanh. 106b and Giṭ. 57a” So Jesus is to be found in the Talmud, under the name ‘Yeshu the Nazarene’ and under the pseudonym ‘Balaam’. Why does Richard Carrier not know of this? . >>Carrier says: >>The Vulgate Cycle misidentifies Vespasian as the son of Titus. Why does Carrier not know that the Vulgate Cycle has the opposite naming convention for the Flavian emperors, to that given by modern scholarship. (Vespasian and Titus have exactly the same names - Titus Flavius Vespasianus Augustus.) . >>Carrier says: >>The Vulgate Cycle (calls) Vespasian a leper rather than the emperor. Richard Carrier does not know that lepros (a leper) refers to someone with scales (of a fish). Thus Vespasian (ie: Titus) was being identified as a supporter of Christianity, because the symbol of Christianity was and is the fish (the Christian Ichthus). . Just what does Richard Carrier know, exactly? Ralph .

The shipwreck wasn't 1 Corinthians. It's 2 Corinthians.

I go back & forth on whether Carrier is right & Jesus never existed. There is plenty of embarrassment in the gospels where they have to bend over backwards to explain something they could have just left out if Jesus was completely fictional. I kind of like Einhorn's idea that Jesus was the Egyptian of 20 years later, & the anachronisms are from the gospel writers putting him back in peaceful times to separate him from the violent rebels of the 50s. _BUT_ if you move him in time & make up most of his biography & all his miracles and crucifixion _and_ we don't know the Egyptian's name, isn’t that pretty much the same as making him up in the first place?

Richard Carrier is a poor historian or a deceiver.. He claimed the records of Rome and Judea during Jesus lifetime do not mention Jesus because he never lived. However the truth is there are no records from Judea and Rome during Jesus' lifetime. The Roman records were burned in 64AD and the Judean records were burned in 70 AD. No wonder 99.9% of real scholars reject his bogus claims.

1:07:22 Sums it up so well. Acts (and the Bible in general) has the same probability of being true (ie extremely low probability) as the Koran, Book of Mormon, Scientology, Greek mythology, etc.

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A depressing thought is that, 2,000 years from now, historians will be expected to give as much credence to printed collections of the idiotic Tweets of today's public figures as they do to the impartial, peer-reviewed, scholarly works of people like Carrier.

I love his scholarship but he seems kinda douchey. Talks way too fast for a professional lecturer.

When I was in Catholic school, I was taking notes one day, the nun was walking around while lecturing and noticed that I had written "Ax of the Apostles"! She was not amused!

Carrier needs to create more great minds like his

- ... would like to listen but the sound quality is quite poor .....

Nice. I have been against Q for awhile. Probably disagree on everything else, but hey common ground

I just read Carrier's article on why Daniel is a forgery. Brilliant and easy to understand writing with appropriate citations. I love this guy because he is smart, articulate and intellectually honest with his material. I suggest it for anyone with an interest in the "prophesies" of the Old Testament.

You don't need a PhD to know that humans don't resurrect or turn water into wine. You do need a PhD to make it look like it's not absurd to claim such nonsense is possible.

20:20 “What would happen in reality is the Romans would engage in a massive manhunt” .... you mean like how the Romans did haul all the Christians they could in to be tortured and killed?

This is all so amazing. A real eye opener.It seems to show apologists really dont care about the truth That is, their obligated to, at the very least, to bring up these objections even if it isto reject them without argument.

It's kind of funny they call it Acts of the Apostles instead of just The Apostles. It begs the question cuz how can there be acts if there were no apostles.

Luke not a good historian, what did he get wrong? Did you know that Tacitus works are unnamed also, yet we know who wrote it. The early church is unanimous that Luke wrote the Third Gospel and the book of Acts. Irenaeus ( 130-202 AD) writes, “Luke also, the companion of Paul, recorded in a book the Gospel preached by him.” Often, Irenaeus will add “Luke also, the follower and disciple of the apostles” before quoting Luke’s Gospel. Justin Martyr (100-165 AD), before quoting from the Gospel of Luke and the other Gospels, notes that “the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them.” Since the Gospel of Luke was written by a Gentile, Marcion, the ancient heretic, only allowed an abbreviated form of Luke’s Gospel in his canon. Irenaus notes that “Marcion, mutilating that according to Luke, is proved to be a blasphemer of the only existing God, from those [passages] which he still retains.” Luke was also known by Clement of Rome (35-100 AD) who by 96 AD had quoted in his writings 15 out of the 27 New Testament books as scripture. From the evidence by the early church, Dr. Luke is the only valid candidate for authorship of the Third Gospel. Internally, a few distinctive markers are found. First and most noticeably, the author of the Third Gospel writes to one “Theophilus” (Acts 1:3) and seeks to provide an “orderly sequence” (Acts 1:3) of the life of Jesus, after having had “carefully investigated everything from the very first” (1:3) according to what the “original eyewitnesses and servants of the word handed down” (Acts 1:2). From this information, one can gather that the author was not an eyewitness of the events of Jesus’s life. But, the author had access to those who had. Second, the author of the Third Gospel also authored the book of Acts. The level of detail and precision, writing style, the similar address to Theophilus, as well as the connective clause in the first of Acts connects the two works to the same author. Third, the level of Greek used in both the Third Gospel and the book of Acts is highly advanced. Having taken biblical Greek courses, I have found that a person learns first from the Gospel of Mark and John before tackling the Gospel of Luke. Due to the high degree of Greek employed in the Third Gospel and the book of Acts, one can deduce that the author is quite advanced in his education. Fourth, the author focuses on Jesus’s ministry to the Gentiles and to the outcasts of society. The Sermon on the Plain is preserved in the Third Gospel. There the author notes that people came to hear Jesus from all around. The author notes that many of the people who heard Jesus were Gentiles from the region of Tyre and Sidon (Luke 6:17). Fifth, the author describes medical matters far more and to a greater degree than the other Gospels. In Luke 4:38, Luke is sure to note that Simon Peter’s mother-in-law suffered from a high fever. In Luke 14:2, the author describes a man’s body that had “swollen with fluid.” Such details indicate a man who has an eye for medical matters. Sixth, because of the author’s involvement with the book of Acts, one can deduct from the “we passages” that the author was a close associate of the apostle Paul. For instance, the author of Acts writes that “When it was decided that we were to sail to Italy, they handed over Paul and some other prisoners to a centurion named Julius, of the Imperial Regiment” (Acts 27:1). Finally, the author had access to a great wealth of Jesus’s teachings that are not found in the other Gospels. For instance, it is only in the Gospel of Luke that one reads the Parable of the Good Samaritan and the Parable of the Lost Son. The author would have needed to have access to multiple eyewitnesses to be able to possess such knowledge and to be able to construct the orderly account that he did. All in all, the internal evidence strongly points to someone of the calibre of Luke, the physician. Luke would hold the educational background, the eyewitness access, the resources, and the training needed to construct both the Third Gospel and the book of Acts. So far as I am concerned, I do not believe there are any other contenders. Why choose a non-eyewitness who was a Gentile[3] for the author if it had not been so?

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