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Thanks, the deck has seen a few upgrades since filming but it's still my go to graveyard deck. 👌

Maybe more to be honest needlehead has spiked like crazy it was $5 on release

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Removing of finality counters would be a beautiful touch in a full build allowing that repeatability for consistent value 👌

I agree with a lot of what you say here, I understand most people don't like removal of sol ring and is an instant pain point. Sorry about that but honestly in my opinion synergy is great than power. The reason for adding so many ways to play multiple land drops is not so we can play 6 lands on each turn its so we can find a card that gives us the effect so we can make sure each game we play we can do at least two land drops. To face down a permanent and then flip it up if need to. Like you mention the good plays are to use your fetches on opponents turns etc and that's where you extract the high power from this deck not by mindlessly dropping everything on main phase and passing turn. Tap to enter effects are great to landfall every turn as well but your land count would have to be very high to be able to do that all the time you would also need an huge amount of card draw to keep up with that effect so while it sounds great it isn't practical as you would sacrifice a lot of slots in the deck to do that consistently. The problem with this video is that i don't state my goal it's just implied and with these upgrades im looking to make the deck more consistent without changing the entirety of the deck itself; it's a loose upgrade afterall to inspire people as most people don't want the same cookie cutter deck everyone else has. If you want to see a full upgrade version I did a no budget version which runs all the fetch lands and recast them from graveyard so you can trigger land falls every turn. Also yes it sucks if you manifest away your zendikar but could say that about any card. That's part of the variance of MTG and venturing into a whole top deck manipulation to stop that takes the deck even further away from what it's trying to do. Thank you for your feedback definitely would like to hear your thoughts on the no budget version. Also please feel free to share your deck lists for her. 👍

@@Spencer4686 Won't "Tap to play a land" cards and "Play 2 lands a turn" cards both lead to you needing a high land count and losing card advantage fast? At least with the "Tap to play a land" cards you can choose what is more valuable in the moment... either more bodies on board by saving your extra land drops for your opponents turns, or flipping important cards right away on your turn. Instead of the "Play another land on your turn" cards being restricted to sorcery speed, the "Tap to play a land" cards can serve either purpose... multiple landfalls in a turn, or better board presence, or flipping at instant speed if you have more than one of them available (or if you are playing a tap land out on your opponents turn, just one of the creatures is enough to flip something at instant speed) To go with your approach of stating a goal for the deck... I would want to build this not in the direction of "Flip every single thing I find off the top, guaranteed", I would probably want to build this as "Get a big board presence of small manifests, with my opponent not knowing if they are valuable permanents or duds I found off the top. Then I can flip the good pieces I find". I have also been playing with morph / disguise creatures that have good flip abilities, so that I can get extra value off flipping them at good times. This is more a thematic choice than anything, I would definitely say I am handicapping myself trying to mess around with morph, lol. Cards I would recommend regardless of whether you are playing with morphs or not: Threats Around Every Corner - Literally made for this commander Printlifter Ooze - Get extra big, trample-y bodies for flipping your stuff face up Vannifar, Evolved Enigma - Either buff your board of face downs or get a big piece out of your hand and face down on the battlefield Experiment Twelve - Makes the stuff you flip up a bit scarier Roiling Regrowth / Entish Restoration / Harrow - Instant speed ramp that has at least 2 lands enter, meaning you can manifest and flip something on an opponents turn Grazilaxx, Illithid Scholar - Card Advantage at best, at worst you purposefully swing with an instant or sorcery that got manifested and you can bounce it back to hand so you get to cast it

@@Sendoria you should definitely check out the no budget version. 👌👍Might align more to your play style.

Would it happen when during the upkeep? I’m confused on that infinite

Nvm I get it. Just play land, then sac gnome, Yedora triggers, gnome comes back face down as a land, triggers zimone to flip, and then loop that until you’ve pinged 40 at everyone at the table? Seems stupid good haha now I gotta add gnome

It all comes down to the cost and effect, you can check out the full video on my channel for more explanation.

No problem glad I could help 😁👍

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Yeah, a lot of this video makes zero sense. Ten ways to play additional lands?? Why?? Add fetches and graveyard recursion like Crucible of Worlds and Ranumap Excavator. Adding a couple extra land cards like Exploration and Azusa makes sense, but 10 is excessive. I'm also adding things like Stratus Dancer as flippable counterspells. And for things like that you definitely want to keep Kheru. Also making all of your manifests 4/4s with Curator is really good since they keep those counters and it's an additional manifest every turn. I think the things that make the most sense are the 5 ramp additions.

@@AmbrotosArkhon the addition of exploration is redundant imo. I would far rather add burgeoning which would mean if an opponent plays a land you (the zimone player) plays one too. This is a way to manifest dread every turn rather than just your own. So when it gets back to you any Azusa + crucible effect flips you a ton of card that wouldn’t have summoning sickness.the best lands to add are clearly fetches (for my money it’s fable passage and the new capena ones) but ya 10 ways!? Unneeded

@@LilyWater84 I think Burgeoning does have a place in the deck but it's moreso for the manifest on every other turn than the extra lands. My problem with Burgeoning is that it specifically has to be from hand and that it's almost $30 lmao. I think the goal is going to be to always have fetches on board that way you can sac one at instant speed and flip a counter. Burgeoning is hella useful for that since it can also let you get a land drop for two triggers.

@@AmbrotosArkhon oh I definitely agree with it being for manifest NOT for lands. As for extra lands in hand. Simic Growth Chamber is your friend and any way to fetch it like crop rotation is fantastic for the deck

Cutting Oversimplify makes zero sense as well. It's arguably the best simic board wipe as it exiles all creatures and will most likely give you back a bigger beater than your opponents because you're playing simic. I made my whole play group scoop because I cast an Oversimplify when I had 5 10/10 eldrazi tokens, multiple instances of Adrix and Nev, and a bunch of other beaters which added up to a grand total of 99

I view her +1/+1 counters as support they help pump your creatures allowing you to block more effectively and allowing your little creatures to grow and stay relavant. This definitely could have more of a focus I just went down the card route as cards are a game winning resource and who doesn't always want a full grip if not more haha 😂

Thanks dude I appreciate it. 👍 The music is something I decided to try in this video I don't normally do it, I will adjust and test some more turn it down/off like you suggest. Thanks for the feedback. 👍❤️

With commander being a player created format who is going to take that on?

@@Spencer4686 just have the RC unban every card done

cEDH shouldn't exist.

I honestly thought that would be the next big announcement.

Thank God bruh

Got to greedy your supposed to slot the lotus for le ring

Everyone has a way they like to play. longer games means they have a bigger design space for cards.

@Spencer4686 which is fine for the casual players. This ban doesn't affect them outside of pubstompers that refuse to rule zero though.

@@blasiensteinw3676 If you think only cedh players have these cards you're delusional. They just wiped out millions of $ from players and LGS.

Yeah it hit a lot of people very hard financially but with the commander being the biggest format now it's probably changed how the RC seems the format.

@@Spencer4686 commander has been the biggest format since Modern Horizons 1 wrecked the most popular format at the time, modern.

Fantastic suggestions here, love the gift of immortality I should really run that in more decks where my commander needs protection. 👌

I would probably cut Spiteful Visions while it does damage your opponents each time they draw it also gives them an extra card. Same with Stormfist Crusader Brash Taunter could be a cut but also a keep as it has quite a few infinite damage combos Blood Artist could also be cut as I removed most of the sacrifice cards so triggering its effect is more incidentally then deliberate. Hope that helps.

I can't make a specific guide for you but here's some ideas... You could add some more evasive creatures flying/menace are pretty common in black with effects that surveil on attack etc you could use cards like rankle master of pranks so you can pick what you put in graveyards and sac stuff to give yourself delirium. You would need a solid stock of artifact and enchantment creatures if going down this road. The following cards could be good... nightveil sprite, appendage amalgam, clandstein meddler would be able to give a creature evasion and surveil. This seems like a more casual/fun strategy for this deck but definitely an interesting take. Would love to see the deck list!

@@Spencer4686Thanks so much this helped a lot!

Depends on the deck... If you're out of lands in hand and can't trigger your land fall effects then a few more lands would definitely help after all playing lands generates you the resources you need to win both in terms of mana on board and also the landfall triggers. In this deck because of the commanders ability we want to put something face down and then flip it up for instant value so in this deck I feel multiple lands every turn is a more constant value to build up to an overwhelming board state rather than just casting a scapeshift... And someone removing your commander in response.. (sad times) Some loose maths here... 42 lands gives us about a 40% chance to make our 6th land drop naturally. If we cast commander on turn 4 that only gives us 2 triggers of the commander on separate turns that's 2 face down 2/2's . We definitely want more value off than that if we're trying to win, specifically when we know games tend to close out/end around turn 9/10.

Nice. Is there a decklist?

@@jowenswi www.moxfield.com/decks/1k8x0CH8902HetU1R3VcmQ

It's a 2 drop Vs a 5 drop In my opinion Ankh of Mishra will have more impact across a game than polluted bonds.

True it could heavily affect how the treasure deck plays. so like you said if you're in heavy treasure meta then could be worth keeping it in. 👍

@@Spencer4686 I think treasures are the only think not affected because it should be a mana ability.

@@MalteLewandowski treasure are not mana abilities. 605.1a An activated ability is a mana ability if it meets all of the following criteria: it doesn’t require a target (see rule 115.6), it could add mana to a player’s mana pool when it resolves, and it’s not a loyalty ability. (See rule 606, “Loyalty Abilities.”)

@@Spencer4686 you posted the correct rule, which in fact states that the ability of a treasure (tap&sac to create a mana) is a mana ability ;) The activated ability of a Treasure token counts as a mana ability, per rule 605. 605.1a An activated ability is a mana ability if it meets all of the following criteria: it doesn't have a target, it could add mana to a player's mana pool when it resolves, and it's not a loyalty ability.

@@MalteLewandowski last time I trust Reddit 🤦

Just a perfect card for this deck, specially as one of the opposing pre-cons is land fall 👌💪

@@Spencer4686 what are your thoughts on Temporal Extortion? I have had an Esper punisher deck for a few years now, and it has always been a 4mana extra turn spell within the archetype. Noone is willing to take the chance 👍

If you go full pain mode you will most likely become archenemy so make sure you upgrade mana and your interaction spells as well to deal with what comes your way. 👌 Enjoy! Also I covered that exact mind crank combo in previous video 😉

@@Spencer4686 yeah I will be adding mana vaults and mana crypts along with 3 board wipes and 8-9 removal spells

@@adamholcomb1906 this didn’t age well lol

Thanks for the feedback glad you enjoyed it, I'll make sure to give the audio a little boost.

Yeah that emblem can be nasty especially if you can easily defend her. 👌