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I know this is an old vid, but here's my .02. When I decided I wanted a progressive back in 2007 I researched all the APs on the market, including the LnL and the Dillon. I google searched for each press and used keywords "Dillion 650 problems" and "Hornady LnL problems". The Dillon had thousands and thousands of complaints ranging from powder spills to primer stack explosions. What I found with the Hornady was mostly difficulties setting it up, so I chose that. Dillon had to put a page on their website specifically about the explosions, and in the complaints I read they were even getting nasty with their customers. For that reason I chose the LnL. Here I am 15 or so years later and my LnL is running like a champ. I have the ammo plant, which I saved about $500 over the price of the Dillon at the time and also got about $200 in free Hornady bullets as well. I had one problem with the bullet feeder and called Hornady, and the rep talked me on how to fix it on the phone. He also asked me if I wanted him to walk me thru tuning the press. I said sure. He spent 2 hrs on the phone with me going thru everything. Only other problem in all these years was I snapped the primer stack weight rod, totally my fault.. I called hornady asking how to order one because i couldn't find it in their catalog how to order it. The rep said, no prob, wouldn't take my money and in 3 days one was on my doorstep.

I have a Hornady. And I have no desire for anything else. I'm good at it but I would think anyone getting a progressive press plans on getting good at it. If you're not willing to tune your stuff, stay single stage. I do 10 different calibers with it. Set up and change overs are really fast and easy. I'm space constrained so tool heads everywhere would be super irritating. Bushings for dies are cheap and the shell plate is reasonable. Those are the only extras needed besides dies on the Hornady. People mention the dimple in the frame from the primer system. I have not had any issues, large or small, with primers. I think the priming system on the Hornady is second to none. I do not have the bullet feeder or case feeder. I'm considering a Mr Bullet Feeder. I use the Hornady bullet feeder dies (not mentioned or featured in this review) and they only work for their HAP bullets. FMJ or coated bullets are a no go. These bullet feeders are *very* sensitive to bullet diameter. So I'd never recommend those even though I use them on bullets where they work. The cam system and pawls need adjustment after 2 or 3 thousand rounds. The adjustment is super easy. Gotta keep the zerks greased. Not a big deal. I use Aeroshell No 5 on mine. Lasts a long time. The shell plate and spring are fantastic. I like checking my work. Pulling cases to check is super easy on the Hornady. The powder drop is dead on accurate (within a 10th of a grain) with ball powders, which is what I generally stick with. I have only one powder drop. Changeovers for rifle/pistol volumes is easy. For me, you convinced me that I made the right choice for my needs. I often single stage my rifle sizing, finish my case prep, then finish loading on the Hornady. I have no issues with consistency and accuracy. I'm spooling up for 300 win mag, we'll see if that holds true with long range loads. I think it will.

I used a Dillon for 5 years, but I plan on switching over to a Hornady

I’m sorry but I still don’t know what you found as the biggest difference between the two. I know it has something to do with the primer system. 😳🙄🥴🤔

I have the 750 and mainly reload 223 and 9mm. I rarely get any debris in the primer station. I just keep a small re-compressible can of air to quickly clean it out and other areas on the press

Thanks for the video. I've been using a RL550B/C for ~25 years and love it. Caliber changes: I do go ahead and buy a tool head and powder measure for each caliber. A little pricy up front but makes changing calibers quick and easy.

Very nice comparison. I do have a question, can you use the same powder measure on the dillon and not have to buy one for each caliber? Thanks

I bought my 650 very shortly after they were announced. I was probably 5000 rounds into loading with it and I had a primer detonation that ran across the waiting primers and up the supply tude which froze the aluminum tube into the inside the safety tube, it also shot the plastic primer rod up into the ceiling of the reloading room. A phone call to Dillon was all that was needed to get new parts on the way to me. The worst of the problem is that it took about 3 days for my hearing to return to normal.

Why are you running no brass in your press?

My xl650 blew up once. It was fully loaded at the time, blew the entire priming system up. Dillon replaced everything for free.It's only happened once, I have the feeling now, it's easier to feel it and stop it before it happens.

I know I'm late to the party. Do you process with a different tool head, then swap it to load?

The answer is YES.

Not nitpicking you’re saying facts that those of us thinking about getting into this need to know thanks for sharing

Very informative thanks for sharing After seeing this I’m leaning toward the hornady I still think for the money Neither press should have flaws but that’s just me 😂

Very informative for a nube like me.

So you moved the resize/deprime and prime off the press. Which I what I have done with my hornady. It may take longer in the long run, but I don't have any hangups on my press anymore. Lee APP and ACP that I hook my case feeder too is pretty fast.

Bullet to head out of six 50 feet at 750. Or 550

Question what press would I need to make 556? What exactly do I need to have to make a complete bullet?

I wanted a progressive press cause they seem really nice. I'm just planning on loading 300 AAC... but I want to pay cash for my press. This limits me to the Hornady AP because I haven't seen the Dylan press sold anywhere.

Good video, 2 things, first it isn't the thickness of the grease, I believe you pumped too much, also you do not have to buy a powder drop for each tool head you transfer the powder drop to the next tool head, also the Dillon has a lifetime warranty and produces match grade ammo.

I just bought the Hornady LNL AP..because of your video. THANK YOU...Just one question-I see a different handle. Was that a Hornady handle back when you got yours or is it an aftermarket item?

Power Pro 1200R is my favorite powder for .223

The only thing I am happy with on my Hornady lnl ap is the priming system, everything else is crap. Going to a dillon 550c now, you could say it is a downgrade, but it is really not. I just want something that works in stead of fooling around with the constant stupid issues on the lnl ap that makes it slower to load on than a single stage.. Case feeder does not work reliably, and the changeover between calibers sucks(the case feeder, not the press itself). The case feeder on the hornady does not speed me up, it slows me down because of all the issues. The powder measure on the hornady throws very acurate and consistent loads, but the damn thing is so bulky it is hardly possible to mount on the press, in one direction it interferes with the primer tube, the other direction it interferes with the powder check die, and third direction it interferes with the case feeder. Also the stupid lnl bushings does not hold the powder measure in place, the bushing constantly untwist so that the whole powder measure lifts with the case and you have to twist the bushing back in locked position again. The biggest issue is that the cases, especially tall cases tend to tip inwards towards the middle when they are indexed to station 5 so that when you lower the handle, the cases often collide with the mouth of the crimping die on its way up, crumbling the cases(or often just folding one bit of the case mouth over sometjng you maybe don't notice until you are going to use the ammo). All of the same issues on two different lnl ap's. So they are basically 4 station presses.. I deeply regret buying the hornady and all the time I have wasted trying to correct the issues, and ended up loading most of the ammo on an old lee single stage when I was angry enough with the hornadys.. Just go for a dillon. And ask yourself, do you really need the case feeder and all the fancy features. It really depends on how large batches you are loading at a time. I am much more productive on the manually indexing 550 than I ever was on the bloody hornady, and when loading up for maybe 4 or 5 different calibers before a competition , I am better off with the 550's very quick changeover..

On the 650 which seat/crimp combo die do you have for the 223?

Is there an acoustic powder Warner for the Hornady? Because that for me would be an absolute counter argument

ever figure out your issue?

hey love your video ! where can i buy hornady stuff as ?

Did you sell the 750 yet ?

Both are good presses. I like the Hornady for ease of changing and it is very accurate with power dispensing. I shoot target and load a lot of 32 S&W Long with loads down to about 1.4 grains and the Hornady is dead on accurate. I think Dillon sells a special light charge bar but I have no experience with that. Really can't go wrong with either.

Hornady is not in the same league as Dillon.

Great video.

Looking to get in to reloading, both pistol (9, 40, and 10) and rifle (5.56, 270, various .30s, and 350) cases. For rifle, I am thinking of doing two press set-up assembly. First would be a single stage to decap, then tumble, then back to the single stage to neck size, following with a trimmer. Changing neck sizing dies to match caliber. Second press would be a progressive set up to prime, charge, seat bullet, and crimp neck. Changing the turret with dedicated dies mounted for each particular caliber. Buying a new caliber components and turret set up each year until I have what I need to load for the rifles I have. Would Lee's loadmaster progressive be acceptable for a budget minded, able to grow set-up?

great video. im looking at getting into more bulk reloading and not just on a single stage press. watched a lot of reviews and really coming to this conclusion. Hornady for rifle .223, .308, and .243 but for pistol/revolver in 9mm and 257 mag the dillion square deal B seams the best option. i will definitely be reloading more pistol any how. so will start on the dillion. maybe change my mind on the hornady later but it looks more like the cost saving press from moving between calibers

Ive got a 550C and I really like it for high capacitry amo.Not too much for rifle precision ammo.

I adapted a Dillon powder measure to my Hornady LnL. Now it runs great.

I bought a used 650 after the 750 was announced. I always wondered if I made the right decision. I'm happy I saw your video. I just use it for small primers and plan on buying turret press for larger primers.

My 650 has the Mark 7 auto drive on it and has 200k on it had a 4 primer detonation last year and just had a 26 or so go off and it sent my after market aluminum primer hold down rod thru my gyprock ceiling. I process my brass and was running hard at 850rph never had any issues until I tried to push it a little to fast and use shitty range brass. Trying to decide if the 750 primer system is worth the upgrade but the 650 rotary does move a lot of shit outta the way.

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Yes agree the XL650 is auto cleaning on the primers.

XL650 here, first pressed I ever owned no issues. I agree it does get a little expensive on extra tool heads etc but then swapping calibers is pretty easy and the settings are all intact. But you don't have to buy tool heads if you don't mind setting up the dies again.

What kinda grease do you need to use for those zerks? Is general purpose grease just fine? Or do you need full synthetic?😆 Real question though! Also I’ve seen that one that it’s called red n tacky! Which one would be ideal?

Great comparison, I’m a Hornady owner, very pleased but needed a ton of little hacks. Now runs easily 5 or 600 per hour. Best hack make a bracket to anchor the case feeder to the wall behind the press. All but eliminates the case jam at the funnel

the beauty of the internet is your 2 1/2 year old video is still giving great advice. I've spent so much time looking at both of these I wondered if I was missing something. Now I'm 99% sure I'm just going to get the Dillion 550 - thanks again

Go to jofer USA.

Just a comment because you're more unfamiliar with the Dillon. A Dillon hack is to buy multiple powder dies per tool head, leave them preset and just switch the hopper at the bracket. It's actually what it's designed for. Headspace once and done.

Guess we know which one now.

brandon ready ...lets go reload

The Hornady is brutal. Have never gotten past 50 rounds without something going wrong, Spills powder with smaller cartridges. Go blue

DILLON by a mile

Good thinking. Thousands 650's sold and the few that had detonations make it a non issue.