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forget it..ill just buy both

I got a q5 match sf that I love.

I wanted to get into competitive shooting watching this video I just realized I can’t afford the ammo 😂

Fires bullets ? Yeah it'll do for stuff like home defense

The shooting of course was excellent! But as others said, THAT RELOAD! Dang! Time for me to get to work on those.

Bad guys gonna be like, “you can’t shoot me with that! It’s a competition gun!” 😂

I have about 7K through my PDP pro. Took me 1.5 years to go through that ammo wisely, closer to normie than comp. I guess I should order some parts. Good info.

I am not a competitor but my PDP pro with a comp that I train with also sits beside my bed. I like cool guns. I represent most of the people probably watching your videos. Just a data point.

real nice reload from concealment

CZ SUCKS. Nothing wrong with the gun, but the division rules are such that they make you start hammer down rather than cocked and safety on. This is inherently biased toward single action only striker guns like the Walthers, the VP9 and to a lesser extent the semi-single action ones like Glocks. The rule needs to change, but until then there is no way I'll shoot a CZ or any hammer gun in SSP, ESP or CO. Making the first shot in DA is a huge handicap in accuracy; making that first shot by cocking the hammer first is simply slow.

Great video . I’ve been shooting a polymer match and thinking about upgrading to one of these . Still on the fence

Can you tell us which one you prefer?

PDP Gang for LIFE !

Do you buy your ammunition or is it supplied? If not how do you afford it Id love to be able to shoot tons of ammunition. Please tell me your secret.

Is that at GTR?

Good stuff Tony!

Solid information. Thank you for taking the time to do this video.

Awesome video. You need more subs. Regarding holsters, other than outstanding looks, I wonder why Walther opted to use the Q5 design with the frame instead of creating a direct translation from the PDP. We only shoot local matches, strictly for fun, and we were hoping to try our SF and Pro SD this summer, but we need to buy two separate holsters, as the SF frame is so different. My Ghost Hydra P accommodates all my P320 variants, even with gas pedals, so I was hoping for the same with the PDP series, but so far, no dice. Maybe the next version of the PDP SF will be a PDP, without the Q5 frontend. However, it will probably still be a little thicker, and still not work with a standard PDP holster. Wishful thinking. Either way, great info. Look forward to your thoughts on the ZRTS Long stroke guide rod.

What’s you’re gram handle so I can follow you along this PDP SF journey. I shoot G17’s in matches but am super curious about the SF. The thing I’m most curious about is if the recoil impulse is sluggish like a G34? I’m also curious about their 4.5 inch model and swapping out the trigger for their performance one. That’s if the 5” feels like a G34. Great video, very informative.

Knowing what you know about to two platforms, which would you rather carry, a Walther Q4 SF Match Optic Ready or CZ Compact.

I use mine for home defense!

the DPT triggers with sprinco springs simply can't be beat without spending twice as much imo

oh fuck, im turning 21 soon and wanted to get the glock 45 and 49 so i basically have 4 different glocks but these damn PDP's are convicting me.

Why are barrels so long for competition with red dots you don’t need it anyway I’m a Walther guy and I would still take the CZ for competition!🧠🤯🔫

thank you for mentioning the Sprinco springs in the Walther DPT trigger. that combo is BY FAR the best trigger I've ever felt, even better than my staccatos. Not only is the pull very light, but the break is super clean. It makes a P365 trigger feel like a dog shlt glock trigger.

Great info, thanks. I'm a CZ, Walther and 2011 fan boy. Quick question. Have you shot the Q5 SF? I'm wondering if there's a difference in the shape of grips between the Q5 and PDP. I ask because I recently took my Q4sf and Q5sf out to the range for the first time in a long time. I've been shooting CZs and 2011s exclusively for about a year. Much to my surprise, I found I didn't much like the Walthers' grip ergonomics anymore. I felt like I couldn't easily get high up under the beaver tail like I can with my CZs and 2011s. Maybe it's just because I'm used to using my thumb on the safeties of the hammer guns to help get a high grip, I dunno. So, I'm wondering if the PDP grip ergos are a bit "better" than the Q series. I'd love to get back to shooting a Walther SF. As it stands now, I'm probably going to find new homes for the Q SFs. I can either put that money towards a PDP SF or another 2011. Tough call.

Dude, great review. I’m a long time Shadow shooter and bought a PDP SF to compare them for myself. My experience was: S2- cost was $1400 plus $525 for Cajun gun works PRO package DA pull 4lb 8oz SA 2lb 4oz. 11.5 hammer spring 11lb recoil spring. Lokjaws palm swell aluminum grips, shooting sports innovations tungsten guide rod, Tevo sports slide lock thumbrest. PDP $1835, just like yours, 15lb ZR tactical standard guide rod and spring, sprinco trigger return and safety plunger spring. I polished the plunger and top of the trigger bar. The trigger pull is 2lb 11oz. Lok grips in the mail though. Henning modified their basepads but the still didn’t fit right. So I filed the frame hump and they work great. My first thought is if someone is on a polymer striker gun the PDP SF is a definite must get. Minimal training difference and a huge ceiling. Likewise if they’re looking to get into practical shooting, it’s a no brainer. It’s already set up to go. My hot take is if you’re like me and accustomed to the CZ it’s not worth the swap. I shot 3 matches and did practice sessions and was noticeably less stellar than with the CZ. The dot tracking is great up and down but much more noticeable making shot calling more difficult even with 147gr ammo. The PDP is around 12-14 oz lighter than my S2, but it didn’t translate to faster transitions. Only a couple hundredths over the average. What was really killing me was believe it or not, the trigger. A lot of draws to small steel first shot misses due to going off before I wanted it to. That’s definitely a training fix but still a deficit for me. S2 maintenance wise recoil spring 5k hammer spring and firing pin spring 10k is what I do. Trigger return I would do yearly but I have a new philosophy on that based on last season. I experienced one failure with my S2. I was getting light strikes and didn’t know why. I sent a video to Cajun gun works and the sear and disconnector were out of time. Why? I had a little over 52k rounds on it last year and over 74k on it since I bought it in Aug 2022. Sent it back and they replaced and returned it. Their parts have a lifetime warranty. Had it completely serviced and resprung and barrel gauged etc. Now I’ll buy a third gun. A practice/dry fire gun. Then I’ll have a match gun and a back up gun. The PDP doesn’t have those issues is why I was curious about it. I like striker guns also. Had Glock for years had a polymer PDP back in 2020. Great guns. All in all I love the PDP but it’s not for me. I’m staying with my S2’s because they’ve gotten me where I am now and I know them like the back of my hand. It’s been fun taking a deep dive into the PDP and seeing the difference and how far they’ve come. I wouldn’t hesitate and have recommended them to people already that ask about it. Even over a Shadow, and especially if they are very experienced with a striker gun. At the end of the day like you said, if you can shoot both, and even better if you can shoot a match or some stages with both let that help you decide. It definitely won’t hurt.

@TonyMazza Why dont you record your video horizontally? It sucks that way!

I love my CZ shadow 2 though 😊

Dude that reload was slick affffffffff I couldn’t figure out if you just checked it or reloaded it I had to watch three times 😂 in my head I was like “why did he just check the mag?”

Not sure how wanting to have one or both of these as a carry option is being “dissingenuine” to yourself. Quite a few well known and respected shooters and instructors carrying both. Rad comparison non the less but… a bit pigeon holed in saying they’re strictly for competition.

Curious why the k targets vs turtles. Scored using the k zone?

What recoil spring you running looks so smooth

Man, its great to not see another review of a garbabe pistol geared towards a new shooter that buys because they saw a video. Ran my AccuShadow2 for years and with a truckload of rounds through it I can count malfunctuons on one hand. As anyone knows, when chasing power factors with handloads malfunctions happen. Ammo related, not pistol! Ive never had an issue with good factory ammo. CZ got it right many years ago....so did Virgil Tripp. Those that know, know who Virgil Tripp is.

Ok, now make the targets move from side to side & see how many he shoots.

😂😂 Impressive. Still didnt grow any nuts. Any thing to feel like a Real Man, huh😂😂😂😂😂

Are you nervous I bet you racked the slide about 1000 times.😂

lol a “VS” video without telling us which you like more…. Which one can you run faster?

Nice video

I did shoot both personally I like to use in my competition production line shadow 2 batter

You should try filming in landscape mode. it's pretty cool.

What rounds are you using?

Would you say the shadow 2 compact is good for carry?

Bro can you do a video on how to do target transitions using lower body

I disagree with your comment about only buying those 2 firearms if you compete. I enjoy my S2, my Staccato XC, my Prodigy DS and many more nice guns. I enjoy my range sessions.

Ferrari vs Lambo. ! Both Awesome !

Shadow 2 is a maintenance Martha.

Love seeing it in use at a match. I’m seriously considering this gun if I can just find one to see if it will fit my hands.

Thank you for this video!!! I am looking towards purchasing one of these two in the upcoming future. I already own the polymer PDP Pro SD and really enjoy it. I have also shot my friend's CZ Shadow 2 OR. I love the CZ trigger a little more, but feel the ergos and overall grip feel are better on the PDP - I think the extra weight of the steel frame should make it damn near perfect for me. I also think the PDP while more expensive up front will be much cheaper to maintain long term. Please do some updates. How have your scores compared between the two?

CZ shadow for me