YT deletes my comments periodically fsr. Absurd. YT getting a little too Dickensian for my liking. A ban for life really would be a blessing. BET THEYRE ALL DEMOCRATS TOO.😂 PISS OFF YOU TUBE...YOU IDIOT TWATS
I just want to vent that the music was so distracting. I just wanted to listen to the explanation and the recording plainly, didn't need the music there
Guess None of These Pilots Ever Heard of a Pitot Tube and What Can Cause Them to Clog...None of Them Even Mention Pitot Tube as Possible Problem...Very Interesting
Absolutely unbelievable. As a pilot you are suppose to be calm. This guy pulling up all the way to the ocean is a mess. He should have just gotten up and let the others take over. Good Grief. So sad.
@@EasyGoer-e3z From what I've heard Dubois apparently took his job very seriously and was proud of his work. He was one of Air France's most experienced and well regarded longhaul pilots happy to shuttle back and forth on these routes until his pending retirement (probably 2-3 years away). I think he was just exhausted, confused, and his brain felt like concrete leaving him unable to think clearly. I've been there - you are aware of being exhausted, aware of being incompetent, aware of making basic mistakes or using the wrong words and being unable to complete the task at hand. It wouldn't at all surprise me if that's the situation he was in that night. A 58 year old man expected to prepare an airliner for a longhaul flight after just one hour of sleep? That's asking for trouble - most middle-aged people I know are falling asleep every time they sit down. People who've heard the full recording say he was grumbling and incoherent, as you would be with nearly zero sleep. The transcript also shows him making basic mistakes on the radio and having to correct himself.
I get the feeling from the transcript that both Dubois and Robert were annoyed with Bonin's idle chitchat and would both rather be left alone. None of them seemed to be friends and it's possible they didn't know each other all that well.
Can Not Imagine The Terror That CONSUMED These People as They Watched The Altimeter Count Down to The Plane SMASHING into Middle of Ocean in Pitch Dark Night
Stall Stall 58 times and buddy still had the stick pulled back. I know it was panic but 58 times that's insane. I feel like if I keep hearing stall stall I'm going to think something is making this nose go up. Does the AOA show on their ADI?
the captain always has to be in cockpit in stormy weather the airbus 330-300 is amazing plane is turbulence but you have to focus when you're flying the plane this should of never happen very sad for the passengers. it could of been prevented
This aircrash hurts me the most, I know the Swiss Air 111 made me fear fire onboard but Air France 447 really breaks me, I can't just forget about it. I was watching the search & recovery of the black boxes, terrifying to see the wreckage beneath the sea 😢. Rest well everyone 💔
The CVR was badly damaged and almost beyond repair, needing very special treatment to restore the recording. Also the FDR didn't record data from Bonin's sidestick and it was all pieced together from the other data. We were very close to simply never knowing what happened.
@@halfbakedproductions7887 I'm glad we did find out the truth at the end, I'm wondering about the MH370 black boxes, they've been in the ocean for 10 years 😭💔
Its so so sad. On one hand I get the outrage at Bonin, but another part of me cant imagine having to deal with something of this magnitude while having a panic attack..sirens are always scary and Im sure that only caused more panic..but.. that's also why Im not in a role where people could lose their lives, just sad that these are the consequences of a panicked man. Most of us go home and kick ourselves at worst maybe get written up/fired for doing stupid things, but that wouldve been a blessing for them.
When the top pilot returned to the cockpit, and after the " junebug" co-pilot admitted he'd been pulling back on his stick, the top dog pilot should have said, get up junebug, let me sit down and recover this perfectly good plane before we crash. But, no. He just sat there and watched dumb and dumber crash the plane and kill everybody on board. The least experienced pilot, had the controls at the worst time. C'mon, C'mon, C'mon airplane, why aren't you flying yourself?
There’s something off about this whole thing did deeper into this guy bonin he’s a certified incompetent took something in Brazil was still high when he was on plane only thing that explains it
Everybody are very good inside bad of they house i wont tò see if they are in the same situation in the storm inside aiecraft if they where pilot i think was bad situation and when all ibtrument ring Maybe you think you are gonna die and its not Easy find good way
If He Gave Controls to Other Pilot Why Did He Keep His Hand on The Stick?...Would Assume Someone Should Have Noticed He Was Stalling The Plane From The Get Go
The CVR transcript also has Dubois joking about using an ACARS printout as a sunvisor later in the flight. There was no later in the flight. It also has him joking about learning to swim. The irony of that.
I read a few things about this. This is a very confusing and a complex situation. I am not expert but I believe it was mainly a lack of cooperation among the crew members. The first co-pilot wasn't doing the right thing and the second wasn't helping the situation. Even when the captain came back from his rest, he was still telling the co-pilot what to do (instead he could've taken over) and the co-pilot was incompetent in doing that e.g. not sharing what he was doing as he was raising the nose up. Probably due to a lack of CRM and bad culture. Also experienced pilots say they would want to avoid going into the stormy weather. In this case, it was quite big one. There is more psychology than the knowledge involved as the pilots were experienced enough to handle this. The 'stall' warning when he was doing the right thing (nose down) caused a negative reinforcement and made him not do the right thing. He couldn't handle the situation, also didn't report what he was doing. I understand there are other failures (pitot tube malfunction) but I'd hardly believe that would cause the plane to fall. All the main parts were functioning properly. However, It's easier said than done because once you have disbelief in the intruments you use, you have no way of sorting what's really going on. The whole thing took 4 minutes. It's just unbelievable and shows how demanding this job is when push comes to shove.
So if i understand it correctly, the pilot in controll ignored the 58 stall warnings and kept pushing the nose up beacuse he thought the plane was going to fast?
I can't watch this without screaming "nose down! nose down! let the nose drop!!".. fuck retard pilots all of them, must have been very tired, high on drugs or just completely utterly retarded
the only way to explain this is the pilot didn't know he was pulling back - its like when you look for glasses you already have on your head - you cant see for looking - only in this case it was an airbus full of people
I'm no pilot, so I won't go into the technicals, however, from a communication and responsibility perspective: In general: - Every other airline decided to fly around the storm. But Air France did not. Why? What went wrong from a communication and responsibility perspective? 1. CPT Marc Dubois was overheard complaining that he had only 1 hour of sleep. 2. CPT Dubois recognizes Saint Elmo's Fire, and apparently Bonin has no clue what it is. He seems startled. 3. In the conversation leading up to this, you can clearly hear insecurity ("I didn't think there was going to much of a storm") in Bonin's voice. CPT Dubois responds indifferent ("It's going to be turbulent when I sleep"). 4. CPT Dubois: "Who is going to land this thing, you?" Bonin does not respond, showing uncertainty again. However, Dubois puts the responsibility in the hands of Bonin, but does not clearly leave someone in charge. Bad communication and a strange decision, considering that Robert, who is about to return, has more experience. 5. Robert returns. Bonin AGAIN is insecure: "Thank god we are in a A330 huh?" Robert is also indifferent to the insecurity of Bonin, "Dead right''. 6. Robert notices the clouds, and tells Bonin to divert, but does not take control of the plane. 7. A sharp chlorine smell spreads through the cockpit. Bonin is insecure AGAIN: "Holy cow have you touched the airconditioning?" "What's that smell??". Robert is indifferent, and just answers: "It's the Ozone". 8. Please note that by now, Bonin has already made many (4x) statements that he is afraid, but no one picks it up. 9. Robert still does not take control of the plane (2x) 10. Autopilot turns off, Bonin takes the controls, but is insecure AGAIN (5x): "I have the impression that we have some kind of crazy kind of speed". 11. Robert still does not take control of the plane (3x), and is indifferent to Bonin's insecurity: "So, we lost the speeds" 12. Robert also seems to have no clue what is happening, calling back CPT Dubois from his sleep. 13. CPT Dubois responds to the emergency call a minute too late. 14. When CPT Dubois arrives in the cockpit, the pilots discuss the situation, but leave Bonin in control of the plane (3x). You cannot blame Bonin for the whole thing, no one took responsibility here. It started already by not flying around the storm.
Why was Bonin afraid of a thunderstorm? Was he a small child? Thunderstorms dont bring down Airbus 330s. And at at least one point Robert did try to take over the controls, but Bonin overrode the command and took back control without telling Robert, leading Robert to think that his controls weren't functioning. Robert said on several occations that his controls don't work, when the reason for that is that Pierre secretly overrode them. Robert and Dubois certainly preformed poorly under the circumstances, but Bonin's stupidity and incompetence was truly shocking.
I have a theory that the pilots knew they were stalled, because if they felt the stall warnings were bogus, they would have said something about it. I find it almost impossible to believe that if they felt the stall warnings were fake, they wouldn't at least mention it. My theory is that when the captain returned to the cockpit, Co-Pilot Robert says they've lost control of the plane. That is him saying "We've stalled."
If they knew it was a stall they would have instantly pulled the nose of the plane down. I have a theory that the pilots actually had no idea what a stall is. They never encountered one in real life, and it was probably something they heard about once in pilot school when they were nursing a hangover from partying the night before, and they forgot all about. They were probably both too embarrassed to admit to each other "I don't know what the hell stall means."
Apparently his way of fooling around in the skies, at the expense of hundreds of lives. The actions, and non-actions of the crew make me seriously doubt whether this was really an accident or something far worse
Commenting on this incident again, but after listening to the description of events here I am certain pure fear came over the pilots especially below 10000ft & PNF now given priority to be PF realises the 4000ft mark & it’s not possible. Knowing he has to get the nose down but there out of time. I believe the actual CVR is disturbing & probably why has not been released. I cannot imagine the feeling of what they where going through & knowing. Once the ground proximity warning started I cannot imagine & they have no visual just knowing there height is disappearing & GPW blaring. This can never happen again & flying is safer today because of AF447. We owe our improved air transport safety to all those we lost here, they will never be forgotten.
Is it standard for a pilot to go for a nap a couple of hours into a flight? Like, I understand they get to have a snooze but it was only a couple of hours into the flight. And it seems to me Bonin was nervous about the storm ahead anyway so it wasn't very wise to leave him in charge. Should have just stayed where he was until they had gotten through the storm and then gone for his nap. Or at least go through with Bonin and Robert what they should do to avoid the storm. Really bad communication. And why didn't he take charge when he returned? Bonin gets the majority of the blame and rightly so but Dubois did not show good leadership and he was the one in charge after all.
After learning about so many aircraft disasters, I always come back to this one because it baffles me how this happened with 3 pilots on board and not one of them could take charge and figure out what was going on, it was like they didnt want to believe what was happening and thought if they ignored the problem it would go away, how could you be a professional and then become paralyzed in the first face of a problem, its absurd
You'd think they would've known the systems, especially Bonin the co pilot, that if they lose instruments because of the pitot tubes, you just do nothing and keep the plane flying straight and level. You also don't make excessive movements with the side control stick, because of its sensitivity.
What Puzzles Me is How Come Nobody in The Cockpit Even Mentioned Pitot Tubes as Possible Issue...Also How Come This Plane Did Not TELL Them The Pitots Were Clogged?
YT deletes my comments periodically fsr. Absurd. YT getting a little too Dickensian for my liking. A ban for life really would be a blessing. BET THEYRE ALL DEMOCRATS TOO.😂 PISS OFF YOU TUBE...YOU IDIOT TWATS
I just want to vent that the music was so distracting. I just wanted to listen to the explanation and the recording plainly, didn't need the music there
Guess None of These Pilots Ever Heard of a Pitot Tube and What Can Cause Them to Clog...None of Them Even Mention Pitot Tube as Possible Problem...Very Interesting
Question...Is it Even POSSIBLE Some Passengers Could Have Survived When Plane Water Impact and Died Afterwards?...Or is it IMPOSSIBLE?
The Captain also ignored rest procedures in Rio to cavort with his mistress.
Absolutely unbelievable. As a pilot you are suppose to be calm. This guy pulling up all the way to the ocean is a mess. He should have just gotten up and let the others take over. Good Grief. So sad.
Puzzles Me How Nobody in Cockpit Even Mentioned Pitot Tubes as Possible Issue and The Plane Should TELL Cockpit That The Pitot Tubes are Clogged
These three pilots sounded like they hated each other.
Although This is a Reinactment of CVR The Captain Seemed Like He Did Not Really Care About The Dire Situation
@@EasyGoer-e3z From what I've heard Dubois apparently took his job very seriously and was proud of his work. He was one of Air France's most experienced and well regarded longhaul pilots happy to shuttle back and forth on these routes until his pending retirement (probably 2-3 years away). I think he was just exhausted, confused, and his brain felt like concrete leaving him unable to think clearly. I've been there - you are aware of being exhausted, aware of being incompetent, aware of making basic mistakes or using the wrong words and being unable to complete the task at hand. It wouldn't at all surprise me if that's the situation he was in that night. A 58 year old man expected to prepare an airliner for a longhaul flight after just one hour of sleep? That's asking for trouble - most middle-aged people I know are falling asleep every time they sit down. People who've heard the full recording say he was grumbling and incoherent, as you would be with nearly zero sleep. The transcript also shows him making basic mistakes on the radio and having to correct himself.
I get the feeling from the transcript that both Dubois and Robert were annoyed with Bonin's idle chitchat and would both rather be left alone. None of them seemed to be friends and it's possible they didn't know each other all that well.
@@halfbakedproductions7887 Any Idea of The "Minimum" Altitude They Needed to Recover The Stall and Plane in This Situation?
Can Not Imagine The Terror That CONSUMED These People as They Watched The Altimeter Count Down to The Plane SMASHING into Middle of Ocean in Pitch Dark Night
❤my cousin was on this flight no liw
If he had just released the sidestick the aircraft would have lowered its nose naturally and come out of the stall, it's sad
Why did‘nt they just divert around the thunderstorms if other aircraft on the same route that night were?
Stall Stall 58 times and buddy still had the stick pulled back. I know it was panic but 58 times that's insane. I feel like if I keep hearing stall stall I'm going to think something is making this nose go up. Does the AOA show on their ADI?
My uncle’s friend died in that crash
Sorry 😞
the captain always has to be in cockpit in stormy weather the airbus 330-300 is amazing plane is turbulence but you have to focus when you're flying the plane this should of never happen very sad for the passengers. it could of been prevented
This aircrash hurts me the most, I know the Swiss Air 111 made me fear fire onboard but Air France 447 really breaks me, I can't just forget about it. I was watching the search & recovery of the black boxes, terrifying to see the wreckage beneath the sea 😢. Rest well everyone 💔
The CVR was badly damaged and almost beyond repair, needing very special treatment to restore the recording. Also the FDR didn't record data from Bonin's sidestick and it was all pieced together from the other data. We were very close to simply never knowing what happened.
@@halfbakedproductions7887 I'm glad we did find out the truth at the end, I'm wondering about the MH370 black boxes, they've been in the ocean for 10 years 😭💔
Its so so sad. On one hand I get the outrage at Bonin, but another part of me cant imagine having to deal with something of this magnitude while having a panic attack..sirens are always scary and Im sure that only caused more panic..but.. that's also why Im not in a role where people could lose their lives, just sad that these are the consequences of a panicked man. Most of us go home and kick ourselves at worst maybe get written up/fired for doing stupid things, but that wouldve been a blessing for them.
When the top pilot returned to the cockpit, and after the " junebug" co-pilot admitted he'd been pulling back on his stick, the top dog pilot should have said, get up junebug, let me sit down and recover this perfectly good plane before we crash. But, no. He just sat there and watched dumb and dumber crash the plane and kill everybody on board. The least experienced pilot, had the controls at the worst time. C'mon, C'mon, C'mon airplane, why aren't you flying yourself?
I'M ON YOU 3 dears GREAT PILOTS ! FUCK THE HATERS ! IN MEMORY CAPTAIN DUBOIS, COPI BONIN, COPI ROBERT ❤❤❤
There’s something off about this whole thing did deeper into this guy bonin he’s a certified incompetent took something in Brazil was still high when he was on plane only thing that explains it
I get enraged thinking about this incident. It really was truly poor airmanship, and they didn’t even warn anyone.
Everybody are very good inside bad of they house i wont tò see if they are in the same situation in the storm inside aiecraft if they where pilot i think was bad situation and when all ibtrument ring Maybe you think you are gonna die and its not Easy find good way
The captain's mind was still somewhere else for most of the time he was back to the cockpit.
He was banging his girlfriend
If only Robert would've told Bonin to let him have the controls earlier, before they hit 20,000 ft, I believe they would've recovered.
Nope because Bonin had the stick in his hands all the time...
I've read speculation from experts and senior pilots that the point of no return was likely 20-25k feet. Anything below that was already too late.
Why the fake pilot voices?
With a Boeing this accident never happened
If He Gave Controls to Other Pilot Why Did He Keep His Hand on The Stick?...Would Assume Someone Should Have Noticed He Was Stalling The Plane From The Get Go
Glad we're in an AIRBUS? dead right
The CVR transcript also has Dubois joking about using an ACARS printout as a sunvisor later in the flight. There was no later in the flight. It also has him joking about learning to swim. The irony of that.
the captain must have been very dissapointed
I read a few things about this. This is a very confusing and a complex situation. I am not expert but I believe it was mainly a lack of cooperation among the crew members. The first co-pilot wasn't doing the right thing and the second wasn't helping the situation. Even when the captain came back from his rest, he was still telling the co-pilot what to do (instead he could've taken over) and the co-pilot was incompetent in doing that e.g. not sharing what he was doing as he was raising the nose up. Probably due to a lack of CRM and bad culture. Also experienced pilots say they would want to avoid going into the stormy weather. In this case, it was quite big one. There is more psychology than the knowledge involved as the pilots were experienced enough to handle this. The 'stall' warning when he was doing the right thing (nose down) caused a negative reinforcement and made him not do the right thing. He couldn't handle the situation, also didn't report what he was doing. I understand there are other failures (pitot tube malfunction) but I'd hardly believe that would cause the plane to fall. All the main parts were functioning properly. However, It's easier said than done because once you have disbelief in the intruments you use, you have no way of sorting what's really going on. The whole thing took 4 minutes. It's just unbelievable and shows how demanding this job is when push comes to shove.
Is this the actual recording from the black box or voice actors acting the transcript? I've seen different videos give different descriptions.
I’m wondering about this too
So if i understand it correctly, the pilot in controll ignored the 58 stall warnings and kept pushing the nose up beacuse he thought the plane was going to fast?
I can't watch this without screaming "nose down! nose down! let the nose drop!!".. fuck retard pilots all of them, must have been very tired, high on drugs or just completely utterly retarded
the only way to explain this is the pilot didn't know he was pulling back - its like when you look for glasses you already have on your head - you cant see for looking - only in this case it was an airbus full of people
L Cédric Bonin
I'm no pilot, so I won't go into the technicals, however, from a communication and responsibility perspective: In general: - Every other airline decided to fly around the storm. But Air France did not. Why? What went wrong from a communication and responsibility perspective? 1. CPT Marc Dubois was overheard complaining that he had only 1 hour of sleep. 2. CPT Dubois recognizes Saint Elmo's Fire, and apparently Bonin has no clue what it is. He seems startled. 3. In the conversation leading up to this, you can clearly hear insecurity ("I didn't think there was going to much of a storm") in Bonin's voice. CPT Dubois responds indifferent ("It's going to be turbulent when I sleep"). 4. CPT Dubois: "Who is going to land this thing, you?" Bonin does not respond, showing uncertainty again. However, Dubois puts the responsibility in the hands of Bonin, but does not clearly leave someone in charge. Bad communication and a strange decision, considering that Robert, who is about to return, has more experience. 5. Robert returns. Bonin AGAIN is insecure: "Thank god we are in a A330 huh?" Robert is also indifferent to the insecurity of Bonin, "Dead right''. 6. Robert notices the clouds, and tells Bonin to divert, but does not take control of the plane. 7. A sharp chlorine smell spreads through the cockpit. Bonin is insecure AGAIN: "Holy cow have you touched the airconditioning?" "What's that smell??". Robert is indifferent, and just answers: "It's the Ozone". 8. Please note that by now, Bonin has already made many (4x) statements that he is afraid, but no one picks it up. 9. Robert still does not take control of the plane (2x) 10. Autopilot turns off, Bonin takes the controls, but is insecure AGAIN (5x): "I have the impression that we have some kind of crazy kind of speed". 11. Robert still does not take control of the plane (3x), and is indifferent to Bonin's insecurity: "So, we lost the speeds" 12. Robert also seems to have no clue what is happening, calling back CPT Dubois from his sleep. 13. CPT Dubois responds to the emergency call a minute too late. 14. When CPT Dubois arrives in the cockpit, the pilots discuss the situation, but leave Bonin in control of the plane (3x). You cannot blame Bonin for the whole thing, no one took responsibility here. It started already by not flying around the storm.
Why was Bonin afraid of a thunderstorm? Was he a small child? Thunderstorms dont bring down Airbus 330s. And at at least one point Robert did try to take over the controls, but Bonin overrode the command and took back control without telling Robert, leading Robert to think that his controls weren't functioning. Robert said on several occations that his controls don't work, when the reason for that is that Pierre secretly overrode them. Robert and Dubois certainly preformed poorly under the circumstances, but Bonin's stupidity and incompetence was truly shocking.
Gps speed + artificial horizon. There you go.
They don’t know how to fly anymore due to the autopilot they are literally worthless
RELEASE THE AUDIO TAPES! I dont trust anyone on translating the truth for me. all lies. too much $$$$ to release the truth.
I have a theory that the pilots knew they were stalled, because if they felt the stall warnings were bogus, they would have said something about it. I find it almost impossible to believe that if they felt the stall warnings were fake, they wouldn't at least mention it. My theory is that when the captain returned to the cockpit, Co-Pilot Robert says they've lost control of the plane. That is him saying "We've stalled."
If they knew it was a stall they would have instantly pulled the nose of the plane down. I have a theory that the pilots actually had no idea what a stall is. They never encountered one in real life, and it was probably something they heard about once in pilot school when they were nursing a hangover from partying the night before, and they forgot all about. They were probably both too embarrassed to admit to each other "I don't know what the hell stall means."
Why don't they have a GPS system to estimate their speed when their instruments are malfunctioning or broken?
You'd think that 58 stall warnings would alert three trained pilots that they might be in a... stall.
All they had to do when the AP disengaged, was fly straight and level and keep the throttles right where they were. Fly the aircraft!
Bonin - applying the air brakes wtf !
Apparently his way of fooling around in the skies, at the expense of hundreds of lives. The actions, and non-actions of the crew make me seriously doubt whether this was really an accident or something far worse
@@jussiuutaniemi3767bonin was probably suicidal and was pulling the stick on purpose just like that egyptair flight.
He should have never pulled up the plane that caused the stall
Commenting on this incident again, but after listening to the description of events here I am certain pure fear came over the pilots especially below 10000ft & PNF now given priority to be PF realises the 4000ft mark & it’s not possible. Knowing he has to get the nose down but there out of time. I believe the actual CVR is disturbing & probably why has not been released. I cannot imagine the feeling of what they where going through & knowing. Once the ground proximity warning started I cannot imagine & they have no visual just knowing there height is disappearing & GPW blaring. This can never happen again & flying is safer today because of AF447. We owe our improved air transport safety to all those we lost here, they will never be forgotten.
So avoidable
Is it standard for a pilot to go for a nap a couple of hours into a flight? Like, I understand they get to have a snooze but it was only a couple of hours into the flight. And it seems to me Bonin was nervous about the storm ahead anyway so it wasn't very wise to leave him in charge. Should have just stayed where he was until they had gotten through the storm and then gone for his nap. Or at least go through with Bonin and Robert what they should do to avoid the storm. Really bad communication. And why didn't he take charge when he returned? Bonin gets the majority of the blame and rightly so but Dubois did not show good leadership and he was the one in charge after all.
Why didn't they just send that dull Bonin to sleep??
After learning about so many aircraft disasters, I always come back to this one because it baffles me how this happened with 3 pilots on board and not one of them could take charge and figure out what was going on, it was like they didnt want to believe what was happening and thought if they ignored the problem it would go away, how could you be a professional and then become paralyzed in the first face of a problem, its absurd
I agree
You'd think they would've known the systems, especially Bonin the co pilot, that if they lose instruments because of the pitot tubes, you just do nothing and keep the plane flying straight and level. You also don't make excessive movements with the side control stick, because of its sensitivity.
What Puzzles Me is How Come Nobody in The Cockpit Even Mentioned Pitot Tubes as Possible Issue...Also How Come This Plane Did Not TELL Them The Pitots Were Clogged?
idiots
Why can't it have been bonin napping. Plane would have been saved