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Richard Carrier | Mystery Cults & Christianity (2019)
Dr. Richard Carrier talks about the emergence of mystery cults and how their characteristics resemble early Christianity.
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Richard Carrier is a world-renowned author and speaker. As a professional historian, published philosopher, and prominent defender of the American freethought movement, Dr. Carrier has appeared across the U.S., Canada and the U.K., and on American television and London radio, defending sound historical methods and the ethical worldview of secular naturalism. His books and articles have received international attention. With a P...
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  • @tonyfrederickson6692
    @tonyfrederickson6692 23 дня назад

    I love this guy every time I listen to him, he make my faith in Christ stronger ,thank you

  • @wailinburnin
    @wailinburnin Месяц назад

    Imagine, we are probably looking at two more generations before this research is popularly known. The Road to Eleusis is the opening widely read book on this topic, it was spawned by interest in the history of psychedelics, the communion sacrament typically got you so high you couldn’t tell exactly what was going on during the induction ritual (ancient rave culture). That’s why they call them Mystery Cults.

  • @larrybolinao3776
    @larrybolinao3776 Месяц назад

    The evidence of GOD ALMIGHTY EXISTENCE IS YOUR LIFE God create everything including you but you don’t believe in him that’s why we are in this chaotic mess.look at the Jews they are conscious about God but like you they don’t want to follow in fact they will fight back against God.unfortunately there are consequences

  • @larrybolinao3776
    @larrybolinao3776 Месяц назад

    My friend you should know that God almighty knows about you and the very life and knowledge that you have are coming from him.but people like you will never accept him even if you realize that the life you have is from him Take note that everything you think always comes true because that’s how you are made.perfect and immortal.unfortunately you choose the way to death

  • @fillyfresh
    @fillyfresh 2 месяца назад

    11:20 you have blown yourself up. This underpins your theories and is simply wrong. Mystery schools did not evolve out of agricultural cults.

  • @hzoonka4203
    @hzoonka4203 2 месяца назад

    Every christian needs to watch this and learn from it!

  • @nickrioz
    @nickrioz 3 месяца назад

    Important peice of video. Carrier's work will outlast anything made by theists this century.

  • @yeshaya24
    @yeshaya24 3 месяца назад

    Total rubbish mithraism is not zoroastrianism

  • @MrXMOMO
    @MrXMOMO 3 месяца назад

    It's all made up. 100% . So dad but as humans we must face the fact that we ARE ALONE. TRUE TRUE TRUE

  • @BrianK49
    @BrianK49 3 месяца назад

    Comments are tolerated as long as they do not challenge this guy - otherwise expect them to be deleted - what a surprise OR - what a joke

    • @nickrioz
      @nickrioz 3 месяца назад

      Horse puckey

  • @paperclips1306
    @paperclips1306 3 месяца назад

    Mithra is our sun god. In vedas mithra is sun god. We pray to him by his names (a standard practice of saying all names of each deity called stotra namas (names) ). Mithra is called surya. Each word is made up of syllables (dhatu : root words) which can describe the nature of the god.

  • @johnholmesinchesahead342
    @johnholmesinchesahead342 3 месяца назад

    The author purports to possess a unique secular knowledge - much in the same way that the ancients claimed to possess a unique religious knowledge. I also note that there are those who believe in his views and defend him - and there are those who deny and ignore what he believes. Interesting.

  • @Magik1369
    @Magik1369 4 месяца назад

    The archetype of the Higher Self. The Hero with a thousand faces.

  • @10.6.12.
    @10.6.12. 4 месяца назад

    Think evolution thank XC.

  • @johndoss7953
    @johndoss7953 4 месяца назад

    Here’s a tip: if someone who claims to be a historian does not take you to the primary sources (ie inscriptions, archaeology, literature, etc.), but makes generalizing statements (ie all mystery cults were like this, they all believed this, etc.), it’s a dead giveaway that they don’t know what they’re talking about

  • @johndoss7953
    @johndoss7953 4 месяца назад

    The amount of false statements in this video is staggering

  • @johndoss7953
    @johndoss7953 4 месяца назад

    A lot of errors in this video

  • @HFH-Official
    @HFH-Official 5 месяцев назад

    All i heard was a bunch of assumptions.

  • @J.Kenyatta
    @J.Kenyatta 5 месяцев назад

    He's telling half-truth. Horse was the original name for what he's calling osiris. The greeks name ancient egyptian god horace osiris

  • @SapphicTwist
    @SapphicTwist 5 месяцев назад

    Very good overview, though unlike the other mysteries, Christianity is a composite of religious antecedents and the specific historical/political circumstances of first century Palestine, where it became necessary to purge the Jewish character of the Jesus movement to escape Roman antisemitism. To me, the gospel accounts point to real historical memories/sources, otherwise, why is the evidence of antisemitism so obvious? Minus actual memories/sources from Palestine, it would have been much easier for Christians to tell a straight-up mythological story (see Mithrus), and avoid any association with Jewish sedition...would it not? In that sense, Christianity was saddled with a history that the other instances of syncretism were not...

  • @deocyasol9406
    @deocyasol9406 6 месяцев назад

    This guy talks as if he was really there. hahahaha. But the authors in the Bible?, he don't believe them! what a crap.

  • @user-ti8bk4gs8g
    @user-ti8bk4gs8g 6 месяцев назад

    Interesting talk, thank you

  • @elijahspropheticcuptheseer6164
    @elijahspropheticcuptheseer6164 6 месяцев назад

    Honey Bee, great points I was thinking of also. Besides the Mikveh, Judaism has never believed in ha Satan as a fallen angel. Much of what this man thinks is truth is ignorance. Ha Satan is just adversary. Even the Angel mentioned concerning Balaam was called a Satan or adversary. Lucifer was a Latin word that crept into the Latin vulgate. Most of the idioms and language of the Bible is lost to western mindsets.

  • @jgarbo3541
    @jgarbo3541 6 месяцев назад

    Passion=Jihad? Baptism=symbolic passage down Fallopian tube to birth, rising from vagina into the new world?

  • @robertstephenson8311
    @robertstephenson8311 6 месяцев назад

    This guy is way out on his thesis. He starts to late. Basically, nonsense.

  • @conorhenderson8537
    @conorhenderson8537 7 месяцев назад

    Dionys or Bacchic mystery faith doesn't have baptism evil act against dead any. It's for those in the cult mystery who died before they could be initiated so they couldn't lose those their special place in afterlife. Doesn't mean they are "damned"? of course not. It just means and is that person that was in the mystery faith stays dead and goes on to afterlife heaven or hell. Not to be resurrected and onward forever as a blessed son and daughter of that God and His Christosian not "christ"? but Betterrrr A Christos or Khristos or Cristus (that which jesus the antichrist as he is cant even dream to be or match.) . But, they never did that would've been against that in harsh detail. The D/B Mysteries is for the initiation contrast to outsiders. Paul knew of this and condemned it in his own idiot self hypocrite own mystery cultianity way but he speak of it in negative passing 1corint 15:29 and spoke in the sense of christians who got christianity by those who died to bring it to them. And, they got baptized in rememberance to them for honoring those who brought it to them. Thus, Richard you are mistaken on that.

    • @conorhenderson8537
      @conorhenderson8537 7 месяцев назад

      christians which ever didnt do that early/late never did. And, apparently thanks to paul were against it. Only luvifeiran antichrist satanist kulllltttts like mormons/jws/satanists ever do evil like that in their rebellion and Deception agaisnt jesus and yahweh here and for devil satan here. Thus again richard carrier you are very wrong there.

    • @blackhawk7r221
      @blackhawk7r221 6 месяцев назад

      Are you speaking of the very common “cleansed by the waters” trend with the ritualistic washing away of evil? That’s pretty much global, and thousands of years older than Christianity.

  • @conorhenderson8537
    @conorhenderson8537 7 месяцев назад

    Bacchic is NOTTT phoenician either. Its Roman and Greco but Not Phoenician.

  • @conorhenderson8537
    @conorhenderson8537 7 месяцев назад

    There's no mysteries of Baal at alll At all. Carrier you either are Lying or dont what you are spewing there. Baal has NOOOOO mysteries all proof for you to the contrary.

  • @conorhenderson8537
    @conorhenderson8537 7 месяцев назад

    ok wrong there richard. God is God then more so then now. It wasnt henotheism it's monotheism. Judaism henotheos was slide rejection of other Gods overtime prior and during the start of monotheism for them. Angels are angels and people are just people.

    • @blackhawk7r221
      @blackhawk7r221 6 месяцев назад

      Interesting. Does your research on the Hebrew acceptance of monotheism coincide with their influence/domination by the Babylonians? It would seem that at that time period, the Hebrews suddenly adopted many of the far older existing Annunaki myths. What’s your take on that? I am truly curious, since VERY few people even accept that the ancient Hebrews were once polytheistic.

  • @pwcrabb5766
    @pwcrabb5766 7 месяцев назад

    Deeply annoying style of presentation.

  • @mateusshoeman2092
    @mateusshoeman2092 7 месяцев назад

    All these questions...it's hard to give a lecture and to be disrupted so much. No one is more important than the American.

  • @mateusshoeman2092
    @mateusshoeman2092 7 месяцев назад

    Is would be great if people could shut up and listen.

  • @reccocon3442
    @reccocon3442 7 месяцев назад

    Hope he finds GOD and fast. He's missing out.

  • @pariaheep
    @pariaheep 7 месяцев назад

    How can you talk about "mystery cults" without mentioning the strong drugs that were taken as a "sacrament"? N o w h e r e I see this emphasised by all these scholars, leaving us clueless.

    • @MartaSpendowska
      @MartaSpendowska 7 месяцев назад

      DCA Hillman talks about it in “The chemical Muse.”

  • @Biblical_Mystery
    @Biblical_Mystery 7 месяцев назад

    What a beautiful testimony! Your journey reflects the amazing grace that Jesus extends to all of us. It's heartening to see how, through your faith, you've not only found personal redemption but also built a loving family. Your story is a powerful reminder that no one is beyond the reach of God's love and that His transformative power knows no bounds.

  • @deocyasol9406
    @deocyasol9406 7 месяцев назад

    This Dr. Carrier, young as he is, gathered his issues, knowledge and his philosophy from the writings of people who probably were wrong. I would believe him if his issues are coming from his ideas and own experiences. It is easy to contradict and throw in your own to something that everybody don't seemed to agree already. That should people to ask this guy, "so what's new?"

  • @deocyasol9406
    @deocyasol9406 7 месяцев назад

    I am a Christian (Roman Catholic). My concepts of religion is simple. In history as written by historians (Mark, Paul, Peter, Matthew etc.) there was a baby supposedly born to a virgin. The baby grew up to be mystical ultimately crucified because he preached to his followers weird principles and theories about a supernatural being. I believe the historians, in such a way that I believe the astronomers and scientists about the origin of the Universe which turned out to be wrong and erroneous. Do you have problem with that?

    • @blackhawk7r221
      @blackhawk7r221 6 месяцев назад

      You are merely a product of your indoctrination. You would feel just as strongly if you happened to be born into the Hindi faith, or Buddhist, or Muslim.

  • @A524N200
    @A524N200 7 месяцев назад

    Can someone help me with the title of the book were this topic is develope? Thanks.

  • @smallsmalls3889
    @smallsmalls3889 7 месяцев назад

    Sex pest Carrier.

  • @gospeljoy5713
    @gospeljoy5713 7 месяцев назад

    Resistance is futile. See he is stuck ib the past. Christianity is reality to thousands of people around the world. Some seek allah and yeshua comes in a dream to them. Jehovah is real. RUclips spreads the gospel with millions of views.

  • @karenr9503
    @karenr9503 8 месяцев назад

    This guy is a spiritual dope, and no one listens to him anymore.

  • @peteryoxen4485
    @peteryoxen4485 8 месяцев назад

    Although I came to this lecture four years late,it seemed to me to be as refreshing this morning as it was then.Thank you.

  • @raycosmic9019
    @raycosmic9019 8 месяцев назад

    Life eternally actualizes infinite potential, because only Eternity can fully embrace Infinity. Empty of ego (separateness) = Full of Life. Being aware of being aware is beyond temporal limits.

  • @TV-oc4ml
    @TV-oc4ml 8 месяцев назад

    Too many idiots interrupting Richard

  • @deocyasol9406
    @deocyasol9406 8 месяцев назад

    This dude is a history revisionist. hahahaha. Even if Jesus was not a son of God but definitely he is a historical character. Of course Jesus was not a Christian or he did not practice Christianity. His movement or ministry was not called Christianity until after his death. Every body knew Christianity is derive from his "title" or what his follower called him ,The Christ. How can you believe his dude he can not even straightened his story. hahahaha.

    • @CatrinaDaimonLee
      @CatrinaDaimonLee 7 месяцев назад

      that's where you're wrong

    • @nickrioz
      @nickrioz 3 месяца назад

      The timelines don't match up. Timeline they didn't establish until 700 years after the alleged fact btw.

  • @eemer2437
    @eemer2437 8 месяцев назад

    So cool to see this presentation by Dr. Carrier. Thank you so much for your work in helping connect the dots for so many people.

  • @TheHonestPeanut
    @TheHonestPeanut 8 месяцев назад

    What happened to Carrier? I heard a lot of murdering of "leaps if logic" and then he vanished. I loved his work but it's been years of silence.

    • @nickrioz
      @nickrioz 3 месяца назад

      He had a very public embarrassment when a lady he cheated on his wife with released a bunch of weird emails he sent her. He sued her sued atheist con tried to sue everyone. It really hurt his brand but he still pops up on myth vision and smaller podcasts.

    • @TheHonestPeanut
      @TheHonestPeanut 3 месяца назад

      @@nickrioz oofadoofa that's embarrassing. I just looked up the timeline ajd lost a lot of respect for him. His work is still awesome but what he did... Nope.

  • @Masterleechan
    @Masterleechan 8 месяцев назад

    This guy is not smart at all im going to say it hes full of shit

  • @AllenPetersono
    @AllenPetersono 8 месяцев назад

    It's very sad that Richard Carrier has fallen into the trap of accepting a fallacy as truth. The fallacy is known as false equivalence. False equivalence is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone incorrectly asserts that two or more things are equivalent, simply because they share some characteristics, despite the fact that there are also notable differences between them. Here is G.K. Chesterton pointing out way back in 1904 where Robert Blatchford made this same mistake... The first of all the difficulties that I have in controverting Mr. Blatchford is simply this, that I shall be very largely going over his own ground. My favourite text-book of theology is [Blatchford’s] God and My Neighbour, but I cannot repeat it in detail. If I gave each of my reasons for being a Christian, a vast number of them would be Mr. Blatchford’s reasons for not being one. For instance, Mr. Blatchford and his school point out that there are many myths parallel to the Christian story; that there were Pagan Christs, and Red Indian Incarnations, and Patagonian Crucifixions, for all I know or care. But does not Mr. Blatchford see the other side of the fact? If the Christian God really made the human race, would not the human race tend to rumours and perversions of the Christian God? If the centre of our life is a certain fact, would not people far from the centre have a muddled version of that fact? If we are so made that a Son of God must deliver us, is it odd that Patagonians should dream of a Son of God? The Blatchfordian position really amounts to this-that because a certain thing has impressed millions of different people as likely or necessary, therefore it cannot be true. And then this bashful being, veiling his own talents, convicts the wretched G.K.C. of paradox. I like paradox, but I am not prepared to dance and dazzle to the extent of Nunquam, who points to humanity crying out for a thing, and pointing to it from immemorial ages, as proof that it cannot be there. The story of a Christ is very common in legend and literature. So is the story of two lovers parted by Fate. So is the story of two friends killing each other for a woman. But will it seriously be maintained that, because these two stories are common as legends, therefore no two friends were ever separated by love or no two lovers by circumstances? It is tolerably plain, surely, that these two stories are common because the situation is an intensely probable and human one, because our nature is so built as to make them almost inevitable. Why should it not be that our nature is so built as to make certain spiritual events inevitable? In any case, it is clearly ridiculous to attempt to disprove Christianity by the number and variety of Pagan Christs. You might as well take the number and variety of ideal schemes of society, from Plato’s Republic to Morris’ News from Nowhere, from More’s Utopia to Blatchford’s Merrie England, and then try to prove from them that mankind cannot ever reach a better social condition. If anything, of course, they prove the opposite; they suggest a human tendency toward a better condition. Thus, in this first instance, when learned sceptics come to me and say, “Are you aware that the Kaffirs have a sort of Incarnation?” I should reply: “Speaking as an unlearned person, I don’t know. But speaking as a Christian, I should be very much astonished if they hadn’t.” www.ecatholic2000.com/gk/blatchford/cont.shtml It also doesn't help that Mr. Carrier plays very loose with the facts... ruclips.net/video/AjecNuY4UEY/видео.html

  • @percussion44
    @percussion44 8 месяцев назад

    One of the epistles of John (I cant remember which) is definitely couched in the language of mystery or Gnosticism. Some thing like, "you were told what you needed to know on the day of your initiation.." or some such. References the initiation, and that some oral tradition was revealed BUT doesn't say what the mystery was. I was raised in an OT heavy apocalypse Christian cult and well I remember all those sermons full of midrash (or presher). To hear Richard speak now, puts all those sermons into context. Mark's "parables", Paul's "mysteries", John's "needed to know", because they never actually said the what the mystery was, the modern cult leader can fill in the blank with whatever baloney they want. Frankly it's incredible that this scam has survived for 2000 years! Incredible.