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I think celebration is fine. If my opponent scores on me and celebrates, I personally see that as a sign of respect rather than disrespect. They felt that scoring on me is something worth celebrating, which is a good thing. Scoring on me and acting bored about it would be less respectful. I also think that refs should be able to handle celebration/crowd cheering/minor heckling and still be able to perform as refs, though I do think as the sport becomes larger, we should be taking steps to mitigate some of the other conflicts of interest that you mentioned, such as reffing people from your club. In a situation like that, you're biased in ways that you don't realize and can't control. The issue is not that the ref will knowingly cheat and give them points they don't deserve, but more like they are more familiar with that person's fencing and more sympathetic to them, so in a close scenario they may end up doing something to benefit them. Or the opposite might happen, they might be extra harsh on their friends either because they know what they're capable of, or to avoid appearance of bias, but that itself is also bias. Either way, even if there is no bias whatsoever, you still have the appearance of conflict of interest, which is in many ways just as bad. You don't want competitors or people with a vested interest in the competition thinking something funny is going on, even if it isn't. I think celebration can be excessive. I think some of the screaming they do in modern sabre where they take multiple breaths to keep screaming is crass, and I think it's in our best interest not to let it get to that point. But that's something that for the time being we don't have to worry about I think. I have done both kendo and modern sabre, and I celebrate sometimes in longsword, and have been penalized for it. In kendo, no celebration is allowed whatsoever, and if you do your point will be taken away, and people still compete at a very high level and care whether they win or lose. So it is possible to cultivate a culture like that, and I think it's going a little far to say that it's projection, or some other psychological thing if someone doesn't want celebration. I think there are legitimate reasons to not want celebration. Personally I think celebration should be allowed. I don't want a tournament to be a stoic, hermetically sealed event, I want there to be an element of raw grit, fencers laying it all on the floor, and showing that they care when their hard work pays off.

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I love watch🤟

Gosh how I hate people who fidget like that.

Pretty long katana!

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I’m all good with celebrating/emotional expression, as long as it isn’t directed at the judges. That job is hard enough without us nerd raging at them.

Perfectly worded, and projection is the perfect word to use here. People like to bring up “emotional control” or “maturity”, talking about how celebrating or yelling is losing control (yet they can never explain why), but is getting offended over someone celebrating not absolutely losing emotional control? Is it not immature? Imagine assuming someone’s outburst of joy and success is meant as a personal attack against you. It is PURELY projection, based on not being in control of their own emotions, and writing their opponent of as out of control. I’ve experienced every emotion in the book at tournaments. I’ve yelled, cheered, fist pumped, and I’ve also cried multiple times and have gotten very heated (in these cases I have always apologized). Never have I really felt “out of control”. I feel comfortable with the wide range of emotion that I’m used to feeling, and I can handle them well. I would hope that others can understand emotion and be comfortable with their own as well as others’. Volcanos diffusing often is a good thing to release pressure. Small scale fires help to prevent large, devastating wildfires etc etc

I enjoy the thoughtfulness of this response. I find that in HEMA, the judging is subjective enough where often times it is truly not worth celebrating *until* the point is declared yours. To use one of your examples, it would be akin to not celebrating a debate victory until the winner is declared. In your mind, there is no question to your scoring, but it all depends on what the judges see and like. That is to say, when hold is called, it is not yet a time of celebration, it is one of anticipation. I 100% agree that a tournament's rules should be clear about celebration rules before any judge attempts to penalize for it. I've popped off after a hit or looked at a judge in disbelief more than a few times when competing where such a thing was forbidden. It happens. Where I get away with it I consider it fortune, and in my local HEMA scene specifically I find that after an especially beautiful hit, both fencers are kind of hyped to the point where you'd have to card both of them. As for when I judge, I do find a certain amount of mental fortitude is needed to ignore premature celebration (or even premature depression!). As a judge I can only tell of what I have seen and heard. I called hold for a reason, and I need to stick to it.

Hell yeah my man, you gonna post any Sabre sparring videos?

Thank you so much for these amazing tips! I really like that leg void.

i told you i only hit you two time

Mr Turner, you’ve just earned my subscription.

Charels always manages to make utterly destroying me look so causal

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nobody can beat Zorro!!!!💪

I love his body movements. Great body language with high recognition value!

Seems like all he does is runs in and grabs your hand. Idk, doesn't seem very skillful to me

Bro eating toilet water is going to have salmonvanilla

The result: i am gonna go to fencing classes🔥

I'm betting on the guy named Michael Longsword. Can't lose with a name like that.

03:45 damn that line feint was *chef's kiss*

I wish we could see more of Ton's other rapier skills. It seems whenever he fence with you he overwhelmingly prefer to sword snatch.

Tom: Ill have to duel him right handed... Team: You know what a hurry we're in!

1:02 Quick and clean one there, very nice!

dude was just standing still damn😂 great video

I feel great.I like to see, update more.Many tks!

Do you guys have like a pig arm on a strick to test to swing around with to test how much force and oppositional force is needed to deliver a crippling strike to the hands with a sharp sword and on which part on the sword with the swords specs?

how did the sigi feel to the kvetun?

I aspire to the vibe this man produces

Came from MOF, 3 years in HEMA training and I've definitely seen some concussions and hard bonks. Made me train myself to protect the head the most and looked more at how to do that on youtube and such.

Yeeaaah, I'mma just stick with guns. Sword fighting is wildly dangerous and it doesn't seem like there are many winners in a real life and death sword fight, Kinda just feels like everybody loses in a sword fight 😂

And he is going easy on you...

Great video! Definitely needs to be talked about. Would love a more formalized video on the subject going into more depth about it. Like what *exactly* are people commonly doing wrong so those who are newer (or ppl like myself if I’m one of those who simply doesn’t know) can kinda use it as a litmus test and how they(we) can fix it

You destroyed his hand.

Mood

Why is he grabbing the sword ?

Yoooo this is really really rad

Wonderful work, I love watching these :)

I love watching your footwork. What source(s) do you primarily study?

Do hits with the flat count? Seemed like a bunch of Oberhau's with the cross horizontal

Absolutely love the music. Good sparring guys.

Plagius

Spanish music and absolute linear fighting 🤔😄

The Spanish guitar promises me Destreza, but my heart is pierced by lunges!

They make a fitg to accept lead pour

O, Rapier💚🦊