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And that's completely fine.

I mean If you are happy with performances like that, than that's your thing. It is true, that K-Pop is probably the most commercialized, but despite that fans can still want good vocal performances. Only because the industry standart regarding the usage of lip-syncing and stuff is very low, people don't have to like it. I just see the problem when companies put idols over and over in bad situations.

Maybe they are a Hype group, they like to waste potential.

I think that is true. As Sakura only improved in dancing and not vocals.

I agree that a lot of potential and talent gets wasted, because we have instances were the girls had good live vocals. Hype just wants to dominate the industry and doesn't mind sending their idols in bad situations instead of giving them prober preparations.

Less than half of the major kpop groups could probably put out a great live vocal performance, of course most of them have at least 1 or 2 members that have good vocals. The problem arises, if the company will not prepare them, the internet will have their fun with that. It is obvious that Hype doesn't give a shit about their artists like a lot of other companies, otherwise they would try their best to prepare them for the moments they have to sing live.

You are delusional for saying Chaewon sounds better then Yeji. Itzy almost always sings live and they are very stable. In the sub vocals Yuna, Chaeryeong and Ryujin are stable. Yeji outsings Chaewon easily. Karina is also a better vocalist then Chaewon. Just compare Aespa’s Coechella to Le Sserafim. Soyeon despite being a rapper, is also a good vocalist. She always sings her vocal intro in Super Lady live.

Yeah all of the articfal tuning of voices really destroys the perception of how we perceive live vocals.

@@DechiYT thats why i think fans should stop suggesting or saying Hybe should get a vocal coach its no use at all,all kpop idol company uses artificial tuning of voices,korean fans knows that,international fans knows that and it was blindly accepted by all the fans locally and internationally thats why playing back track is common thing to used when ever groups are performing.SO FANS of kpop locally and internationally should accept the fact live vocal of any group of any idols would never be sound the same from their release songs...

@@robbybautista249 I don't understand why a vocal coach is supposed to have no use at all. Of course a live performance will not sound like a recorded version, but just saying they will never sound the same so lets just forget about training idols at all is also not the best thing. I mean if we are at this point, why even let humans sing? AI is on a good way and with all the filters on the voices it's not going to make a large difference.

@@DechiYT what im trying to say you can never give satisfaction to a any one at all,look at chaewon and yunjin although they have a solid back ground vocally although yunjin is more of a classical side...on week one of Coachella the two struggle because first Chaewon and Yunjin knows the groups capability and individually,but unfortunately yunjin and chaewon capability has a limit as well....,the two members try to beyond their capability that why Chaewon and Yunjin struggle on week one in coachella performance,the wanted to make up for the others members weakness but it backfire a little.

@@robbybautista249 Of course there never will be a situation, where all people will be satisfied with the performance of an artist. Some just straight up don't want to. But I still think that Hype shouldn't have let them go to Coechelle, because it was obious that the hate would increase, if they don't become much better live performers. Even though they are far from being the worst.

Nothing wrong with lesserfim perform at Coachella. K-pop fans are so disconnected from the rest of the music world in general. K-pop has the most overproduced, commercialized, choreographed to a tee performances in the world. Which in itself can often be very impressive and obviously good to watch. But most other music shows in the world are far more about the energy and passion behind the music. Of course, you still try to look and sound great, but it's almost secondary to the actual show itself. Another thing I've noticed is K-pop fans tend to be really bad at identifying when groups are lip-syncing and actually singing live. I see some people criticizing groups for singing slightly worse live and then in the next breath, praising a performance that was clearly lip-synced. If people were more aware of when groups were actually singing live they'd have more realistic expectations, especially for prolonged shows as opposed to one-song performances.

It depends on what you're looking for in kpop. A lot of people don't care about live vocals anymore.

@@DechiYT i do. Coz 2nd gen kpop perform, SING, dance excellently.

Nothing wrong with lesserfim perform at Coachella. K-pop fans are so disconnected from the rest of the music world in general. K-pop has the most overproduced, commercialized, choreographed to a tee performances in the world. Which in itself can often be very impressive and obviously good to watch. But most other music shows in the world are far more about the energy and passion behind the music. Of course, you still try to look and sound great, but it's almost secondary to the actual show itself. Another thing I've noticed is K-pop fans tend to be really bad at identifying when groups are lip-syncing and actually singing live. I see some people criticizing groups for singing slightly worse live and then in the next breath, praising a performance that was clearly lip-synced. If people were more aware of when groups were actually singing live they'd have more realistic expectations, especially for prolonged shows as opposed to one-song performances.

If you want to support them go for it, I personally just stopped listening after Unforgiven, because I lost interest. Most of the critizism should be against Hype, because we all know, that Idols can't really decide things on their own, if they are part of a big company. But some people just really like do drag down idols for some reason.

You could say that in some way.

Even McDonald’s is better, since atleast they have good icecream.

Bro be saying anything atp💀💀💀

I think the worst part is that they probably would be pretty good singers, if trained. Maybe not the best in the industry, but they have potential.

Yeah I said that wrong.

It was funny when people said Wendy can't sing live, becaue she didn't perform this one cover perfectly one time, when it is obvious that she is a great live performer. But Txt is pretty good live from what I saw.

Yeah I could have included that

I personally think it is hard to speculate, If you take Karina as an example a lot of fans very pretty sure she is a lesbian (or at least bi) and now it is disproven. I think it is more important to talk about Idols that are out in the open than speculating, if an idol is something. Of course I agree that some idols give some energy or said something that leads in a certain direction, but I still think we just shouldn‘t speculate out in the open, everyone can do it for themselves. I also think that there is a big difference how korean and international fans speculate about the sexuality of idols. At least from the things I have seen korean fans are more likely to say that idols are straight, while international fans are more likely to think idols are something else. It really doesn’t matter for most people, a lot of people like the representation that comes with it, but in general we should leave idols who keep in privat alone.

@@DechiYT While I agree that speculation is wrong I think you didn't understand my point. These are things idols have clearly and openly stated, it is not a vibe or speculation. As an example, people will catch a passing sentence in otherwise unrelated content and understand what Yoongi means when he said "I have ADHD" and take it seriously but will ignore that he said he doesn't care about gender in an interview about his ideal type because homophobic fans wanna deny it. That's what I meant with fans choosing to be ignorant. And also it is just as wrong to assume that Karina is straight just because of her male partner. I am not saying she is anything, I'm just saying it's hypocritical that the people who preach about "not assuming someone's queerness" are the same people ok with assuming straightness. As a queer person myself I am really happy when I see idols who are brave enough to say things like this and that's it. I never once in my life assumed an idol's sexuality and I don't condone forced outing. I just wish fans would practice what they preach and stop assuming that idols are straight by default unless disproven. Just don't talk about their orientation at all unless they wanna talk about it (like the ones I listed did on their own will) It's not like I am hellbound on the idea of forcing idols out of the closet and in a perfect world a musician's sexuality wouldn't matter anyway but A) they weren't forcibly outed if they said those things willingly, B) the fact is that representation matters and the positive effects of that are proven by Holland, Bibi, Jiae etc. so even though most of the ones I listed weren't allowed to say "I'm queer" they still deserve to be heard and validated for having the guts to talk about their same sex attractions in other ways than a big traditional coming out.

@@luckymissy6255 I miss worded some things in my first answer. So here a more simple way to put it, because English isn‘t my first language and some things can be misunderstood again. 1. I‘m not assuming that Karina is 100% straight, I just structured my sentence wrong. I didn‘t want to say that just because she was dating a man, she is not Bi or anything else. 2. I don‘t now If you included me in that statement, but I don‘t assume every Idol that didn‘t out themselves as straight. If it came across in that way I‘m sorry. 3. It‘s true that homophobic fans are a problem and that there are more idols who basically said or heavily implied, that they are into both genders. But I‘m still preferring just using idols as an example who openly stated that they are part of the lgbtqia+ community. Of course you can come to other conclusions. It of course takes a lot of guts to still state that you like both genders. But I wanted to include idols, that are More outgoing with this. I mean If the other idols wanted to be more outgoing with this, they would be on this list. But that doesn‘t mean that they are not important for representation, but when creating a video I try to be more careful in what information I put out for some topics.

@@DechiYT I understand that you need to be careful because of toxic stans. And I also wanna make it clear that I didn't expect you to include these, I just wanted to highlight them in my comment without getting invalidated because they constantly get invalidated and erased by homophobic stans. I hope I didn't come across as rude

@@luckymissy6255 Not really important, but some of my favourite groups like Dreamcatcher, Pixy or (G)-Dile support the community I mean for Dreamcatcher and Idle it is obvious and Pixy had concerts with Holland. Maybe I will make a seperated video talking about them.

I didn't include the chocolat's member, because of my knowledge they are not longer active. Correct me If I'm wrong. Kendal I didn't include, because VCHA is a global group and not a kpop group. XG too, but they have predominantly asian members and were an execption. With Chanty I just wasn't able to read my script right, because I wrote the right nationality down, but said the wrong. I see NiziU more as an japanese group, that's why I didnt count them in. It looks for me like Lea isn't coming back to the industry and thats why she's not in the video. I had her in one of my previous videos. In-Sonni I didn't find her in my research, but yeah she is still active so she should be included. same with dok2 and lee michelle. Crystal Kay is just jpop in my opinion.

​@@DechiYTonly about NiziU, just as my own dictionary wikipedia, I consider NiziU, Iz*one, JO1, INI, &Team, DXTEEN, NEXZ, ME:I as Japanese-Kpop group or Japanese-Korean Idol Group based on reaction from local Korean and Japanese kpop/jpop fans themselves. Basically these groups Japanese idol group with kpop identity with half/fully manage by Korean companies (look at Wiki "Japanese Idol"). It's different route than XG. If you consider XG as kpop, I highly consider the list I named it more kpop than XG. Beside these group also sing and perform in korean music program singing Korean ver of the song, and NiziU debut whole Korean album/song in Korea.😅

​@@DechiYT I forgot I more Japanese-Kpop group, NCT Wish😅😂

@@princejunyoung4495 Including xg in this list is just a personal decision, I stated in the video, that they are not a real kpop group. It‘s true that the groups you mentioned are more likely to be seen as kpop groups.

@@princejunyoung4495 How many subgroups of nct exist at this point lol

Yeah I had that right in my script, but I did the voice over in the middle of the night and my brain was dead from not sleeping.

Yeah, people already mentioned that Hansol and Navinci are the same persons. It's just happened that the sources I had always used one name and not both. And with the sexuality it can just get a little bit confusing.

Ok

That‘s more of an American thing and I‘m from Europe.

First thank you for your complimenting my commentary. I get a little confused by the therms, because I'm not that knowledgable with them. But he calling himself asexuel to make it simpler is the most sensible option.

I don't have my data sheet with my sources anymore, but you are right, I made a mistake there. I think I got confused, because I mixed something up. He stated in an interview that he feels genderless and I probably mixed that up.

Yeah I still need to adjust my voice, but thanks for watching! :)

0.75 speed is okay for me

Okay bro

@@DechiYT ❤

Is there any official info about them online? I didnt find anything.

That’s just a ship

@@_TiredMotherfucker_ alright thank you, was confused for a moment

No they're not

Yeah I got confused because some articles use Hansol and other Navinci. It almost happened twice, with another idol in the video, but it can get really confusing when they change their stage names and looks at the same time.

Yeah, I didnt find them in my research. There are no complete lists so it is hard to find them all.

Yeah bro

I agree that the popularity of an Idol is hugely influenced by an Idols visual and if we are being for real, Kpop wouldn‘t function without Visuals. It‘s just weird that some Idols are being called ugly when they look perfectly fine. I think this is more often so with korean than western fans but still sucks.

Thank u my love 🥺

Jokes on you but when I was younger I still had cassettes. Replaying a song doesn't make it better when the song feels empty and to short. Just replaying it doesn't change that I still don't like the length and how do I know that? Maybe because I did listen to it more than 3 times.

Yeah tik tok has an huge influence

I didn't watch it, but I'm going to look into it.

My favourite song of all time is 11min, when I hear a good song I want more of it, not to switch

It's is a personal preference after all, I prefer songs between 3-5 min, but everybody their own. Music for enjoyment after all.

Are you talking about Bohemian rhapsody?

Tik Tok

give me any example exept for wife 💀

Chill bro

I can't comment on her pronunciation really, I'm not a native english speaker myself and fuck it up myself.

OMG SHE (A NON NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKER) PRONOUNCED A LETTER IN A WORD WRONG (THE LETTER R DOESNT EVEN EXIST IN HER LANGUAGE) WHAT EVER WILL WE DO (she doesn't correct the others on the proper pronunciation she corrects them to how she wants it to be sang)

@@notajellien Good point

Are you new to Kpop or something? Koreans pronounce their "R's" and "L's" a little different compared to English speakers so in the first place, please don't expect Soyeon, a native Korean who doesn't speak English, to pronounce the word precisely. Secondly, you are wrong about her correcting the members' pronunciation. She guides them how they want the lyrics to be sung such as suggesting to change the tone, mood, etc. I dare you give us a clip of her correcting other members' English pronunciation. She does correct Shuhua's Korean pronunciation but have you ever really seen her correct any member in English? No, because you're just hating on her.

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For Super Lady it is harder to imagine a longer version thats right, but for me it's more about a general development over the last few albums and the decrease of runtime. Of course I can still enjoy the songs and most of it is an individual preference. I just think that it shouldn't be normalized making the majority of songs below 3 min. But as I said it is a personal preference, Soyeon is still the best 4 gen idol producer in my opinion.

This video was actually inspired by a fanmade longer version of super lady. I forgot to mention it in the video. It is possible that Soyeon getting a burnout, maybe they have to release a certain amount of albums because of their contracts. I also saw a video that said that they had to pay for their super lady mv themselves so, their could be a lot going on.

@@DechiYT could be. I still thing shes a genius but she is working so closely to this that it may be narrowing her vision and shes missing the bigger picture sometimes. Amazing group. The other members will hopefully pick up some of her burden.

I just hope that they will change it in the next mini album or single and make songs longer again. Their best songs were mostly around 3.00-3.15min in my opinion.

@@DechiYT exactly, I'm starting to miss eras like Lion, Oh my God and Hwaa

Me too

I still like their songs but I honestly wish they make it longeeeerrr!

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