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you dont need to put the cards i use. If you have a problem with other players creatures that have flying, just put more creatures that have flying. There are many cheap angels and dragons you could use instead of the expensive cards in the video.

But to be fair this list would be ideal.

@ right but if your challenge is budget then you can proxy which is very cheap, or find budget alternatives. Especially with the creatures, there really isnt any "must" includes. Alot of if it is preference or playgroup focused. Its kind of what i love most about the deck. You can run whatever cool creatures you want . You dont need the eldrazis or a specific dragon or angel. There are plenty of budget alternatives for almost everything expensive in the deck. name some cards that you would want budget replacements for that you saw in the list and ill try and give some options.

it definitely could as an easy 2 card win con. IT all depends on how powerful youre trying to make the deck. Since both pieces of the combo are creatures it allows them access from karador in the gy and if your running the hermit druid with 2-3 basics youll likely mill them in 1 or 2 attempts. So it can be easy to dump into the yard and bring out with reanimation effects making it quite powerful. Felidar Sovereign is tougher to win with bcuz its your upkeep effect but the angel bringing you back to 40 life helps too. I've updated this deck a bit since 2022 but the essence of the deck is still there. Try to mill your library with hermit druid and go off in variosu ways you can.

@@jiahgl yeah this video is older and the deck has been updated since then. Meren is falling behind a bit with the power creep it’s not as fast and doesn’t do enough. Everything happens at the end of your turn too. Don’t get me wrong I love meren and I still have a deck and I try to have it keep up with the times. I admittedly haven’t tried roaming throne but doubling up on meren triggers would be helpful in keeping pace. It would double up death triggers too for exp counters. Pretty good

yes thats correct it used to be called mana burn. any "floating" mana would drop off as you change phases. What are you referring to from the video?

Just making sure. I just started trying to build on Sythis myself so just trying to learn how to build around her. Thanks

@@EpicNate83 Ok cool I was just making sure I thought you maybe found something in the video that wasn't correct and i was playing it wrong. Whats great about Sythis is she can really be built with any enhcantments you like. Theres a lot of room for creativity and different directions. GL with the deck. let me know if you discover any exciting cards or combos.

@@pocalypse5726 unfortunately I don’t think it can work that way. Solely because the eggs are tokens and when a token goes to the graveyard it ceases to exist essentially so it can’t come back. Tokens cease to exist if they leave the field for any reason really, blink, return to hand, die etc. It was a good line of thought though. Luminous would be the best card in the deck of that were the case

Hey thanks for the comment. Im glad to hear you built Atla Palani and im flattered if any of my videos helped influence. She is just so much fun and i don't ever get bored with the excitement of cracking an egg to see what creature we hit. let me know how it plays with your meta/playgroup. To address your questions, I probably could add more ramp to the deck but I feel it still runs well without. When you say 25% of the time youre not effective what do you mean by that? my ramp over the iterations of the deck changes ive made were mainly mana rocks like the talismans and such. The goal was to drop AP by turn 3-4. If you draw zero ramp and just hit your land drop each turn you can drop her turn 4. Getting 1 ramp spell off in the first 2 turns can allow for a turn 3 AP. This makes the deck super fast and therefore scary to our opponents. What was happening to me was AP was getting targeted hard every time I would drop her that early. I was archenemy right away and all my opponents' removal was held up for her which is a bad time for us. This is what we call a meta shifting deck because the deck would draw so much threat just by playing it. It was cool to see but also a big challenge since Im basically arch enemy no matter what. So i "slowed" her down a bit but what that really means is I try to set up a little more before dropping her. We didnt slow the deck down necessarily but i am just delaying casting her a turn or 2 later and using those turns to set up more protection or sac outlets and maybe even casting some other creatures first for a board presence. So the long winded answer is that there could be a case for more ramp for sure. But you have to weigh the pros and cons. we're in green with no way to double land drop so adding more lands sort of clogs your hand because although youre ensuring land drops for future turns, you wont be able to play more than one land from your hand (kodama east tree effect could but that needs to be out). Adding more spells that ramp is a solution but the popular ones that are left like rampant growth, farseek and explosive veg bring the lands in tapped which i personally dont like but could be a good solution. I could see skyshroud claim being in there since you can get 2 mana back essentially. Also adding more 2 mana rocks like the signets maybe or some colorless ones could help ensure a faster start. The question then becomes what do you want to take out for those slots? 20-25% isn't terrible to me for not getting the ramp you need, that means youre effective 75% of the time. Nothing can be 100% so adding more cards can raise the percentage, but to what level? You might add 3 lands and 4 more ramp cards and not see them at all to make a difference majority of the games. By all means though try it and let me know what you find because If theres improvements to be made Im always open. One other big thing to remember is with AP effect, it take all the cards that weren't creatures and puts them on the bottom of your deck. Theres going to be many many times you bottom a lot of good non-creature cards in your deck because they were in-between the next creature. This adds an extra layer of probability to the deck that websites cant calculate for you. Idk how to calculate it either but any non creature you add to the deck has a good chance of being bottomed. This is why we rely on redundancy so much. Multiple sac outlets, multiple haste enablers and so on. Transitioning into your other questions, I have thought about using Phyrexian Altar too. The dumb reason i dont run it is because i only own 1 and its in a black sac deck lol. But if i needed to add another instant speed sac outlet that would probably be what i add. 3 mana is the highest noncreature sac outlet i run and ashnods is the best. All your really going to be sacking are eggs so as you said, it doesnt add as big of an advantage but it still could be useful especially if you need color mana to cast from hand. Ashnods can give you the mana to make another egg with AP too which is why i like it so much. I wouldnt sleep on Altar of dementia though its 2 mana for instant sac and the mill effect can be deadly. For the most part you wont be milling since eggs are zero power, but being able to mill someone instant speed is powerful. you can mess up someone's plan who tutors anything to the top of their library or mill yourself if you know the next few cards coming arent helpful. Worst case its a 2 mana instant sac outlet which is alot better for an early curve then 3. Id run all 3 if you can fit it. I dont get possibility storm out every game. With the way this deck functions, its tough to go for a specific card or strategy just because of the nature of the bottoming so many cards from AP. Theres really only 3 ways to get possibility storm, the most frequent way will probably be from sacing academy rector to go find it, followed by enlightened tutor to search it to the top and lastly just drawing it normally. A 4th way could be to worldy tutor for academy rector. So theres 4 cards in the deck that can be possibilty storm and 3 of them are non creatures which means you really cant plan to see those cards. Possibility storm is just so good that if you do manage to get it off it changes the game so much in your favor. I hope these help and keep me posted on your decklist and how it runs. I don't mind giving out an email for players who want to have longer and further discussions about the deck.

For Sure! Big fan myself and I hope to see him back on the big screen live action like the teaser we got at the end of solo

thanks for the suggestions! utility lands are great and unique to the meta playgroup. i try not to run to many for the sake of not getting color screwed. Just curious why would you want maze of ith to stop people from attcking you? If they are dumb enough to attack you i would block with eggs to trigger AP Roaming throne is great yes. it triggers AP twice and with annie joins up out i think it would trigger 3x lol. The harmonic prodigy and annie joins up essentially do what roaming throne does which is mainly why i dont run it for now but i will keep it in mind

how often are those cards really out? I never see them in my playgroups. By all means tailor the deck to fit your meta. The biggest question i always face is what will adding 4-5 removal cards really do if you play games where you dont even see them? If your opponents are searching for those cards to stop you thats pretty dumb. Yes those cards are crippling to the deck so if you need the extra rremove it do it!

​@@commanderinsightYes, unfortunately my pod often brings those types of cards for the game and often also tutor for them, lucky me I guess lol

@@iagosilvaalmeida4838 I think that’s pretty toxic honestly. To put cards in a deck to shut someone down completely then tutor for them. I guess if you’re still trying to make it work you can throw in a bunch of removal and take out some of the redundant effects. Like I have a lot of sac outlets and a few haste enablers. Maybe you don’t need all of them

Thanks I forgot to link it. I fixed it and here it is too www.moxfield.com/decks/VFoXVw7u9U2Bv6g3OAUm8w

Thanks you I appreciate that! Im glad to hear it too. Atla Palani is one of my faves as well and I love how many different ways you can build her. She never gets old because you can just throw in your favorite creatures in naya and have a good time. If you end up playing with a version of this deck let me know how it runs? I love the feedback.

@@VaN-be8qm proxies reign supreme. This doesn’t take budget into consideration but you can buy proxy cards really cheap or just replace the expensive cards with their budget alternative. The deck will just be slower

@@alfascorpi I had it in the deck but it was a long time ago so it may be worth revisiting. I just hated flipping into it when I needed something better for the situation.

@@commanderinsight yeah I can understand, we want to hit it big😁

@@alfascorpi I’ve leaned into that mindset lol. We want every AP trigger to be a threat. Mirror entity can be scary and may actually be a good reset if you have a few creatures with your commander, to wipe your board and get a bunch of triggers when they die for new creatures .

coming next lol this was a video i just wanted to throw up there. try and get it in this week or next with any duskmourn cards too

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@@OG_G4m3r 34 because the commander is cheap and draws us cards so we don’t need as many. We also run a lot of enchantments that are low cmc

best case its one of the best sac outlets in the deck, worst case its a 9/7 creature you get out for free. i did some digging to find that one lol

thank you I appreciate that a lot. It keeps me going when making these videos when I hear comments like this so I do really appreciate it. I've updated the deck a bit since the last video so i think a new one can be warranted soon. i want to do other decks of mine too. Probly gotta make them a bit shorter in length lol

mono black is very fun. I think it really makes you lean into the things black wants to do. Lose life to draw, sac creatures, drain other's life,,, etc. Just be aware that a phyrexian obliterator on your field really just means you wont get attacked on the ground and he wont get blocked if you attack. You may not get the effect off unless your forcing combat somehow and thats usually a green or red thing. Still an awesome card and very scary. Also it looks amazingly cool so just having it out on your board it instantly gets prettier lol

@@TheSteffChris yeah someone else pointed that out too. You’re right. It’s so weird I’ve read that card so many times and just never interpreted it correctly before. I think that makes the card even better though. Thanks for pointing it out.

yeah i have thought about leaning more into auras because there has been a lot of good support cards for it.

@@commanderinsight even without the aura's she can pack a punch, I run a pillow fort list for Sythis myself with her in it and having the potential copy any enchantment is amazing.

@@midnightblue9999 yeah for sure I do run Calix Guided by Fate which also can copy and enchantment. he is also an enchantment so you get to draw off him coming out, only 3 mana and can also pump your commander every time another enchantment comes out. The condition to copy is you have to do combat damage with an enchanted creature so maybe that can be a little tougher in certain situations Yenna doesn't seem as good since she 4 mana and not an enchantment herself. Then she costs 2 and tap so you cant do it the turn she comes out typically. Maybe im wrong though and should give it a 2nd look

@@ToxicScorp thank you much appreciated! That was exactly my thinking is to try and do a more in depth explanation for newer players to the game or just the deck. And yes there’s been updates since this video. I think the moxfield link in the description should be updated. When enough cards change I’ll do another video. Annie joins up was the only card from thunder junction I used. But I added a bunch more draw cards and such.

Ah brilliant, I’ll take a look. Outside of Annie Joins up the only recent change for me has been adding Lazotep quarry from MH3 as a nice sac outlet built into a land.

@@ToxicScorp i actually missed that so thanks for bringing it to my attention. I dont like that it only taps for colorless but it is another one time sac outlet on a land which we only have 1 other (high market). I'll see if i can fit that in. We usually dont get color screwed because of our spread so it may be viable

@@ToxicScorp If you want to discuss further and ask questions or just have a more in depth conversation about the deck/cards/strategies you can email me at worldwidewebb1122@gmail.com like if your wondering why certain cards were added and/or taken out.

@@commanderinsight thanks a ton, if I have any questions I’ll be sure to send them your way. Atla is such a fun commander to play with so much potential so I’m having a great time refining and improving my own deck

Actually Yes theres a few. I added strength of the harvest as another power pump aura or a land if you need it, I added Pearl-Ear, imperial advisor because it makes our enchantments cheaper and helps us draw more when we cast auras. i also added trickster's elk because its another way to make opponents creatures null or it can be just another enchantment creature.

thank you i appreciate that!

@@trueagentt thank you very much!

One of those makes infinite mana and the other just makes a lot of mana and only once per turn. Gauntlets of light is useless unless you have sanctum weaver and since I don’t go for them I don’t see the 2 of them at the same time unless happen to draw them both. It was done on purpose to limit the deck. Your username is much more wild anyways.

Interesting, What is the case against it? Why wouldn’t it, the wording seems very straight forward

@@commanderinsight I think it’s a misunderstanding between triggered and activated abilities. Some people think you can use harmonic prodigy to create two egg tokens with the commanders effect, which is improper, since creating the eggs is an activated ability. But harmonic prodigy will get you two creatures any time an egg dies, so it works out better in the end.

@@yamirlealjr yes I think that is 100% correct. You always make 1 egg and get two creature from that egg dying. Atla only has 1 triggered ability so it’s the only thing that could be effected by harmonic prodigy is the death trigger. There should be no mixed opinions about it because one side is just flat out wrong about it lol. Making the egg is an activated ability 100% and cannot be doubled by prodigy.

Thank you! Atla has been my favorite deck for a bit now so I’m constantly trying to make it more fun and stronger. I have since updated the deck a bit from this video. If I made a video everytime I updated it would be weekly lol. The only card I added in from outlaws was Annie joins up. I also need to look through MH3 and see what could go in there.

Yep, I am adding Annie instead of the shaman so that my eggs don’t hit it. Also, I’m going to experiment with Lurking Predators and Cream of the Crop combo. Cream also works well with the theme of the deck. I’ll probably remove Eldritch Evolution to test and something else for the cream. I’m eager to see how stacking the deck works. Plus free creatures with lurking could be insane! I can see this deck instantly being one of my favorites. Also, sylvan tutor is probably going in since it’s a worldly tutor clone and is crazy in this deck.

@@Bondman007Vids Those are some spicy combos. I've used lurking predators in the very early builds of this deck. I never used cream of the crop in here though. I've used both individually in other decks. Cream of the crop didn't really do what i wanted it to but again i didn't use the 2 together. I'd say by themselves they aren't great stand alone but yes together they can basically keep dropping huge creatures whenever an opponent casts anything. What always happened to me with lurking predators was i would keep whiffing good non-creature cards and scrying them to the bottom in an attempt to dig for a creature, then would draw the big beater creature because my opponents didn't cast anything more just by happenstance. It happened too many times for me to justify the 6 drop enchantment lol. I hope you have better luck with it. If your focus is to try and stack the deck i'd also look into congregation at dawn. Its a wordly tutor for up to 3 creatures. Could be useful with lurking predators. I currently run both annie joins up and harmonic prodigy. My reasoning for not taking out prodigy is because even though its not great to hit when you need a beater to block or attack from an egg, she will allow you to get double the beaters every time thereafter. I dont know the statistical numbers but its more likely she will hit the battlefield over annie joins up. shes cheaper to cast if they end up in your hand and can come out from egg triggers that dig through your deck which really helps the odds of seeing her. also i put maskwood nexus back in the deck (not in video) and that makes everything and egg but also makes everything a shaman/wizard so any time any creature effect triggers it does it twice. this is huge for a lot of effects where annie only lets legendary creatures trigger twice. but both of these work well for Atla either way. Its nice to have both to increase the odds of getting at least one of them out so your eggs double. It can get crazy when you have a token doubler out and a double trigger, you pay 2 mana, make 2 eggs instead of 1 and then get 4 beaters out from it. Last thing, someone else in the comments mentioned using life finds a way. I'm really looking into this again now that we have the ability to make more eggs. This card alone can bring out almost all the creatures in your deck. As long as you can keep an egg token out, you can sac another egg, bring out a beater with power 4+ then populate to make another egg and sac that egg do it again, populate and keep it going. If you wanted to make it a guarantee you an make sure every creature has 4+ power. Let me know how it goes with your brewing and testing!

Wow. Thats some great insight! Thats why I really like your video. The reasoning with the harmonic prodigy makes perfect sense. The flaw to the lurking predators/cream of the crop is the age old problem with edh, getting 2 cards out at the same time can be almost impossible at times. I think I’ll actually play it the way you currently have it made and then perhaps make tweaks as I go. I really like the thinking behind this deck though! Have you updated Moxfield with your current deck list??

@@Bondman007Vids Thanks I appreciate it and im glad you like the build. I havent currently updated the decklist just yet but it will soon. Potentially will make another video (not as long) with the updates. I encourage anyone who wants to make a similar build to watch the full video so when you play you can pilot the deck to an optimal level quicker. Then the fun part comes where you can start to add your own creativity and spicy combos like the lurking predators/cream of the crop strat. Feel free to ask me anything else about the deck build or potential cards/strats. i love talking about it and want to hear others spicy combos.

Hey great suggestion. I’ve looked at the card before and contemplated putting it in. I may give it another shot because you’re right if we can trigger AP effect while still having an egg token then we can keep making them. The problem i had was i would always sac the one and only token so I would have nothing to populate. Great suggestion

@@commanderinsight Yeah, it does require having two eggs, atleast one being a token, granted we now have the dinosaur that makes 2 eggs plus Mirror Entity, Maskwood Nexus, and other cards that give changeling, plus token doubling creatures. Plus, if you have LFaW in your hand, you could just hold onto the egg til your next turn when you can make another with Atla. Messes with flow of rhythm just a tad but I think it's worth it since it has so many states that result in all your creatures out and about

@@TheAlmightyGameGenie I’m going to try it I changed up the deck a little since this video and I think it would work better. I also recently put in ancient gold dragon with the dragon tempest because it can be a 2 card win if you roll high enough. Making even 10 little fairies can all be eggs to sac with maskwood nexus too. The deck really starts to synergize well with the newer cards that released.

Hey, thanks for sharing. My honest opinion is I feel court of grace would be tough to maintain in order to keep getting the angels. Any of the court enchantments have alluring effects if youre the monarch but you need blockers and ways to keep the monarch or get it back. Best case you get 1 angel each turn. Worst case it’s a 1/1. The other 2 angel generators can make multiple during our turn and I think play into the enchantment strategy a bit better. If you’re leaning into the token build and just want as many token effects to make lots of them and go wide then it could be a cool include. I’d also recommend archon of suns grace, divine visitation, ajanis chosen and then the 2 card combo I mention in this video that gives you infinite tokens

You’re right. The text in the card doesn’t mention it but it’s in the errata on scryfqll which is why I mentioned it. But yes if it didn’t say that then naming white would remove its self too.

You’re right that’s such a good combo. I’m not there yet with my playgroup lol. We all have a gentleman’s agreement not to play drannith yet. But as soon as someone breaks that agreement I will definitely put it in

Hey, good question. So with karadors effect you can cast one creature from your graveyard per turn. So any creature in your graveyard can be treated as if it was in your hand. So the bigger your graveyard the more options you have. You can get cheeky with it and use effects that bring back multiple creatures and keep recurring them. If you’re looking for a commander that brings back a creature without paying for it that would be Meren of clan nel toth. She’s golgari black green and a lot of fun too. I also have a deck video for her if you’re interested but it’s a little outdated. Still relevant and good though.

@@commanderinsight thank you so much for responding i will definitely check that out too thank you

I "had" a version of it, dismantled it to make her a lower power deck for my pod.

Hey nice advice I appreciate the comment. You're right that it could potentially speed up the deck to already have an "egg" out before Atla Palani drops . In the past my experience was they didn't work faster but it might be worth looking into as I' haven't considered it in a while

@@commanderinsight I'd say that [[Irregular Cohort]] is probably the best one as it also creates a shapeshifter token on ETB which means 2 eggs triggers on 1 card or even more with trigger/token doublers. An other suggestion would be [[Aether Flash]] which deals 2 damage to any creature that ETB. Auto sac outlet for your eggs and a defense versus go wide token decks. I don't play with those, but if you do, you could always add the infinite combo with [[Mirror Entity]]

Ian Malcom is a great alt art for atla palani i loved the idea when i saw it from Ixilan. If I was running him as the alt art commander i'd definitely run the card "Life finds a way" just to be on theme lol. But it also isn't a bad card for the deck you just have to keep an egg token on the field so you have something to populate each time. Im glad the video helped i appreciate your comment! Just curious, what ideas did you find that your considering using?

Hey thanks im glad to hear. My goal was to give more insight on how to pilot the deck not just the list of cards. Although some may want just that i think more players will get more out of some of the tips and tricks then just a list to figure things out. Let me know how it goes if you end up playing her! Good luck!

Also, there is the new Thunder Junction card that I will add: "Annie joins up" , doubling trigger while being an enchant (better than roaming throne in this deck I suppose...)

@@PapyMagic yes i think i am 100% adding that. it may even replace harmonic prodigy but im not sure yet

Welcome to team eggs! I'm really glad you found the video useful. I had new players to MTG and new players to Atla Palani in mind when i made the video. And don't worry about having the best possible cards in the deck. Im sure i dont even have that. Although some are expensive now, theyve been in my collection so im putting them to good use. For you as a new player, it doesn't really matter what creatures you put in the deck you can really do whatever you want in the Naya colors which is great for variety. Let me know how your deck plays and if you end up using and tips/pointers from the video. I appreciate the comment.

That’s high praise! I appreciate you thank you.

Yes someone else commented that too. I should edit that out. I can’t believe I’ve been playing that card for so long and never read the “up to” part. It makes the card a lot better too. Thanks for pointing it out

OMG you’re right. I can’t believe I never noticed that. I’ve seen and read this card so many times and never thought about the wording. Thanks for pointing it out. I feel dumb lol Just curious, what ideas did you see that intrigued you?

@@commanderinsight greater gargadon is a niche one that I didn’t know existed and am now playtesting. Claws of gix I’m trying out too. As well as summoners egg. I’ve played Atla for about a year now and I love making changes. I think you should see if irregular cohort would work in yours, if you have a repeatable sacrifice outlet it’s a two for one, and if you have mondrak or ojer tak out you get even more changelings to sacrifice. I don’t have the treasure token theme going in my list, but I see how it would be beneficial. If I find time to update my moxfield page I will and can link that.

@@NartnetOfficial irregular cohort is a great 2 for 1 and maybe even more with the token double/triple effects. The only concern would be if it replaces the summoner's egg, then we have less cards to bring out from the hand. creatures can get stuck in your hand and really clog it up. I might try and find another card slot to consider swapping for the cohort though. great suggestion

Hey thanks for the feedback I appreciate it! I’m glad it adds value to people out there. Most people probably want a quick deck list but it doesn’t explain the deck enough in my opinion. Unfortunately there’s no way to go into depth without making longer video

Indeed, you won't get all the interactions and synergies just by looking at a decklist, there are so many possibilities in Commander, it's always cool to see what other people are using and why.@@commanderinsight

Yeah that’s a great card just expensive to cast. It’s like living death kind of but on a creature.

Savra is cool too. But what type of meren deck were you running that it got hated enough for you to change it? Seems unreasonable to expect a fellow player to change their commander like that. If anything you can tone the deck down so it’s not so hated. Merens effect is not broken at all and it’s actually kind of slow these days. She’s dropped down the list on edhrec too. She’s still my favorite too though. I Probly don’t know enough about the situation but don’t let your friends bully you into changing commanders if you want to play meren. If it was too strong or hate bearing you can adjust the 99.

Thank you I appreciate it! I haven’t kept up with videos recently but have a bunch of decks to update. I have many ideas I want to do so I think I’ll make updates soon. Are you running karador? How’s it going with him if so?

I’ve only been playing for a little under a year. I’ve got a few decks built but I’m looking to commit on a recursion commander soon. Considering all the usual suspects and Karador keeps popping up as my front runner. I wish I could add some insight. Was really considering building your exact deck but saw the age and thought it wouldn’t hurt to see if an update was on the horizon before ordering. I’ve watched almost all deck techs on most of the popular graveyard commanders and yours was my favorite. Hope you make some more videos 😊

@@NF-nn9ij awesome. I think Karador is just overlooked because of how old he is but still the best due to the colors and options. The best part about him is you can really build the deck around any creature strategy you want. There really aren’t any “must haves” other than the staples that would be run according to your strategy. This video uses hermit druid and big beaters along with vito. So I do a lot of self mill and then try and do like a living death or bolas citadel. You could do aristocrats, tokens spam, spirit tribal, abzan good stuff, sub enchantment theme and a bunch more. I plan to make updates probably after the ixilan set but there’s nothing crucial in the set that Karador absolutely needs. One card that stood out is the new Ghalta tyrant stampede. Since we already run greater good the play is to reanimate ghalta for cheap like with an animate dead or something, then on his etb activation you sac him to greater good and draw 12 then proceed to drop all the creatures in your hand onto the field. Also if you haven’t seen, I made a Meren deck tech because she can be just a powerful and fun and technically the Karador deck was a meren deck first that evolved and added white. It’s also older but has a different play style if you’re in the research phase.

Hey really appreciate the feedback and advice. I’m going to go check out the Meren tech you did for sure as of course she’s in the mix. The flexibility does seem really wide for Karador, and your strategy and maybe Spirit tribal appeal to me but not sure how strong spirits are compared to your mill. I’ll definitely let you know how it goes and again thank you for your help!

Hey, just wanted you to know I’m ordering cards for Karador and appreciate your amazing deck tech and your advice. I’ll definitely let you know how it plays out with my pod once I get it put together.

I’ll say that it depends on your playgroup a lot too. If the deck works as intended you have a hermit druid out by turn 3 milling most of your deck the following turn. From there it’s pick and choose what you need from your gy Mana rocks would probably be smart for consistency but I prefer to risk it to be able to include more big creatures. I haven’t gotten mana screwed in a while.

@@commanderinsight As I do with most new decks, I just put together a budget list without Hermit Druid using the parts from my old Teneb deck. No Druid means more Basics, so I have 7.

I had teneb in the deck at one point. I ended up not needing him but I like him a lot. What are some of the ideas you’re going to use. I’m curious

@@commanderinsight Nothing fancy. I dropped most of the big creature reanimation strat from the Teneb build and leaned more into a toolbox with Aristocrats and a healthy amount of self mill. So we can slam Avacyn or Moonshaker Cavalry, rinse and repeat small utility and removal creatures from the yard, and also attempt to drain em out with cards like Syr Konrad. Certainly not a focused build but I want to try out some new cards and learn from playing.

@@ty_sylicus Karador is very versatile. Many different ways to build the deck and he just helps it no matter what. The effect is generic but so powerful. And most graveyard decks don’t let you have white so he really can add a unique flavor to the deck. I built mine to be fast but more so to be resilient. Wipe the board and u can rebuild in 1-3 turns where my opponents can’t. Hermit druid isn’t needed but even with 7 basics it’ll still mill you a bunch.

yeah as long as ulvenwald tracker doesnt have summoning sickness or has haste since its a tap ability too