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Well, November can produce weather. I got snowed in last November in Smith Valley. With that said it’s uncommon and mostly drivable with a capable ride even if you have some snow. Heading up to the rock wall may be tough if you’re seeing snow. I’ve found that if you have a foot of snow on Sunrise Pass Rd there will be 3+ feet at the peaks where the wall is. I doubt you’ll see that though. Unfortunately I don’t have any GPX files but I can help with some starting points. If you want to travel El Dorado Canyon Trail the same direction we did, Johnson Ln in Minden near the airport is where you’ll want to start. Shortly after it turns to dirt it turns into Sunrise Pass Rd. If you stay on it you’ll make it over the Pine Nut Mountains into Smith Valley. About 1/4 of the way there is the turn off for El Dorado Canyon. 39.10186, -119.55224 are the coordinates to the beginning of the trail. The trail will take you nearly into Dayton to the North. If you don’t have a large group or plan on filming it, you’ll enjoy a nice half day of good wheeling if you plan on getting out to explore some of the interesting sights along the route. I’ll share some other points of interest with coordinates. OnX has been a go to for me over the last few years at least in the US. Not so great in Canada yet. Make sure to download offline maps of the area beforehand as there are many areas out there with no cell service. There are endless trails up in the mountains between Dayton and Wellington. We’ve explored many over the years but probably haven’t touch on 10% of them. I hope you have a great time and weather is favorable! Como Site (ghost town): 39.17134, -119.47733 Smith Valley Rock Formations: 38.98191, -119.39295 Artisan Hot Springs: 38.89982, -119.41149 Rock Wall: 39.06115, -119.48158

thank you for sharing info with me. I think we're gonna give the Pine Nuts a go in November.

I never really feared lions or bears. Tigers are a different story though…ha,ha. I do understand though. Kids and small women venturing into mountain lion territory should be wary. Northern Nevada is one of my favorite regions to get out and explore. So much to see west to east. All of northern Nevada. I went out to Ely a few weeks back for the first time. I had only been as far as Austin on hwy 50 and the 95 north/south as well as the I-80 corridor. So much to see and so few people out there. Can’t wait to get back out there!

@@codybesler1026 Some of the most uninhabited terrain in the country!

That’s a great question. Hours and hours of scouring satellite images to start with. Google Earth is good but for that region, it is imaged with snow on the ground which is not useful. In fact much of BC, Yukon and NWT is the same from my experience. The BRMB app has been really useful in Canada. OnX Off Road in the USA. I understand that OnX is expanding their service to Canada but I am not sure when that is yet. Of the 2 I prefer OnX. Great detail on their maps. I hope they have the same or similar detail in Canada as they have in the USA.

Thanks. Without a doubt one of the most beautiful places you can take 4 wheels!

Thanks. Well after building it up the market got really hot for FJ Cruisers so I flipped it and bought the 80. I’ve since virtually rebuilt it from the ground up. Everything is new except the trans and axle housings. Even a new torque converter while I was in there. It has Toyotas “bus” transmission which only was available for 2 years and is one of the best production automatic transmissions ever produced. I almost did a manual transmission conversion but kept the auto in the end. Also did the part time kit and rebuilt and regeared the transfer case. Also all new gears and chromoly axles, new motor and long range tank. Did cloth seat conversion to as I find them much more comfortable than the leather especially on long trips. I did a million other things too and basically all for what I was able to get for the FJ with a few extra bucks just to complete it exactly the way I wanted it. As for the Nissan, yes it was an ugly crash. Fortunately they only kept me overnight. 4 broken ribs along with some bumps and bruises. And you don’t see many outfitted that way because it’s difficult to find aftermarket accessories compared to Toyota and Jeep and production delays were always a reality long before what we’ve all seen over the last few years. I definitely love jeeps. I’ve owned a couple TJs. They can be built to extreme capability and reliability. Just not a great platform for me. Storage is a tough problem. Most modern vehicles including the Nissan I owned are worrisome to me when you’re talking about the trips we go on. Stupid sensors can stop you in your tracks. We wanted to continue down the Alexander Mackenzie trail further but that last spot I winched out of stretched the wires for the wheel speed sensor on the left rear. They pulled out of the harness plug basically killing my 4WD and couldn’t find the problem on the trail. I decided then that I prefer simple. I don’t mind some modern conveniences like air conditioning but for the most part the more electronics it has the more I’m not as into it. It’s just become my personal preference and what I look at in an potential off road build. I will definitely check out your LV trip. I’ve not done a lot of southern Nevada trails. A bunch in Northern Nevada though. We just did some wheeling out there about a month ago or so. Love NV!

Ya. You can’t really tell but it was on a hill too. I had to cut from the uphill side. As for the radios, just regular uhf 40 channel cb radios.

@@offroadorigins6609 In my Jeep I have a 40 Channel Cobra 29 LTD Classic Night Watch CB with all the bells and whistles, I also have 123 channels programmed into an Icom IC-F5023H VHF radio and I have three 22 channel hand held FRS/GRMS radios that use the UHF band. Seeing the antennas flopping around on the trail, I would assume they were fiberglass Fire Sticks on springs (to prevent breaking them), of the CB frequency 26.965 - 27.405 MHz, that is AM low band. Long story short they are 40 channel CB radios? I am a bit of a radio buff, but not a HAM yet.

@@brbadventurer yup. Simple 40 channel uhfs.

I was actually born and raised in Alberta (I’m an expat) so it wasn’t that big of a deal for me. We used head nets when they were tough to ignore. In early September most of the mosquitoes were beyond their normal cycle so not as much of a problem but those black flies were brutal. Anything dark colored they swarmed. So my truck, especially the snorkel was mobbed. I encouraged the boys to pack light colored apparel as I knew this was the case. Jake and Steve are California boys so they definitely benefited from me being well prepared along with many other aspects of traveling that far and being that remote. Also we have been traveling virtually every year to bug territory including this year so we have adapted our strategies and now no matter how bad they get it’s always no big deal. This year we drove the Canol Road from Johnson Crossing on the Alcan highway to Macmillan pass at the NWT border. Talk about bugs… 😂 Seems like you may have watched episode two before episode one. No biggie. Both are fun videos. These are the first ones I ever made so I’ve been reworking and re-editing them with better video editing software and skill to use it. We had cheap Chinese cameras and it shows. Still feel very much like a novice but have really polished these two up so far. About 2/3 through doing it. Definitely hate it when quad or utv riders can’t or won’t clear the trail wider. How much more work could it possibly be? Almost none I think. Ya, I’m as easy as I can be on my vehicle and trail when I’m wheeling. I’m always in small groups so have limited support. Also don’t need to provide ammunition to people or groups looking to hate on us. That’s my philosophy anyway. We did a lot of trash pickup right near Kluskus Village within 10km or so either way but mostly to the west of the community. The closer we were to Kluskus the more trash there was. I suppose that’s no different near any civilization but it was the worst stretch of the trail and quite frankly the worst stretch of trail we’ve seen anywhere we’ve been in Canada. Where we started episode two from was really bad. It was a beautiful place to camp but had years of built up trash near the established campsite. We did a full clean of the entire area the morning we broke camp there. Probably an hour or so and two big bags of trash. Our last campsite near Sedona in our Arizona video series (the last of 3 videos we did in AZ) was an epic little spot but had a lot of broken glass from years ago. We did our best to clean it up. I ordered the rake as soon as I got home and now carry it on every trip we do. Anyway thanks for watching. I like responding to people who dig the videos…obviously. 😁

​@@offroadorigins6609 "I was actually born and raised in Alberta (I’m an expat) so it wasn’t that big of a deal for me." Ah I was wondering how a California man would know so much about BC back roads. I was born in Kamloops and spent 40 years around the area then moved to Calgary for 18 years now back in Kamloops. "Seems like you may have watched episode two before episode one." Nope watched that one too :-) "We did a lot of trash pickup right near Kluskus Village within 10km or so either way ..." Thanks, I tend to clean up after others too when I am on the trail. "Ya, I’m as easy as I can be on my vehicle and trail when I’m wheeling." 👍 "Definitely hate it when quad or utv riders can’t or won’t clear the trail wider." It really is not that much harder to cut and extra foot off the dead fall is it?

Thanks for the correction on the pronunciation. I’ll message you directly on the lake. Yup PEI flag up there.

Or you can just say Spilli like us locals do

Hi Bob. Glad you liked the video. I admire packhorse adventures a lot. I could just imagine the places a person could go!

Thanks. Yes it was a great trip for sure. We have plans to revisit the trail in the next couple years and take some time to do more than just drive it…. Anyway the Toyota was running 31” tires and my Nissan is running 33’s. For how I had it setup 33’s were ideal. I could have cleared 35’s with some minor trimming of the fenders but feel a regearing would have been necessary.

It was the original 1FZ-FE with >250k miles. With the mods it would do reasonably well on and off road. On road 15 mpg was the best she could do that trip and never worse than 12. Lots of upgrades to get it that high. As for off road range, that can vary wildly depending on conditions. I never keep track of mpg off road really. Time, distance traveled and fuel and distance remaining are what I track off road. With that said 2.5 days of mixed/balanced diet of off roading would get me down to a quarter tank. This trip we really didn’t worry too much about fuel though. We were reasonably close to fueling options for most of it. Plus the LC had better range than the pickup especially off road. 😄

@@offroadorigins6609 I am doing AMT in Aug and have a JKU Rubicon with a 2016 Chev V8 5.3 DI. 8 spd auto and this thing even at snails pace is good for 8mpg so long as I am still moving and about 15mpg offroad normal stuff. Will take 10 gals spare with me on AMT. I noticed your Navarra was a thirsty beast from your comments. Very impressed with the Tojo on AMT as well.

@@barrytunzelmann4759 We definitely brought 3 or 4 times more fuel than we needed but we really didn’t need to fuel up the rest of our trip through Canada. After watching the expedition overland guys run very low halfway through I figured better safe than sorry. I would suggest bringing a backup saw and 1 gallon can of gas knowing you may have to mix more depending on how much saw work you need. We were the first non-ATV vehicles to traverse the path we took. No one had driven Pan Meadow crossing to the forestry service road nor past the beaver dam to the Chadwells, though that section was cleared enough for side by sides only. I think it made more work than if it were not cut out at all. I’m extraordinarily hopeful for you that it’s not going to be a fire season like last year. I was thinking about doing it again next year but to spend a couple weeks doing some trail maintenance/fishing or something that will mix in some other activities other than wheeling all day. The trail on the north side of Euchiniko Lake is in need according to Wayne and Teresa at the lodge there. It’d be cool to redo a couple bridges too. 😅

Wow! You’re a legend then. At least a veteran of a trail that I wish was still there. So many burns including last summer and the logging operations have really change the scenery since you were there. Even videos and photos from the early 2000’s are so different. Still a bunch of fun. You are right about that aspen across the trail. It was green and heavy. No safety gear was for sure stupid but when in doubt be your true self. 🤪 Seriously you are right and that’s definitely a place you don’t want a medical emergency. Also double check that there are no outside travel bans through Kluskus. Many tribes including them had a strict no outside travelers through their reservations. Uncertain if they are still trying to keep people out. The Story Till Now crew weren’t able to even do half the trail because of that but that was a while back. Worth checking into though.

Yes. ARB front and rear

Thanks! We were stoked to have the entire trail to ourselves that day. We’re hoping to do another trip up to Canada in July. 2 weeks, 4 different areas in BC including the 2 trails we did on our last video. All areas (except the last leg) are about a days worth of epic/scenic road travel with 2-3 days in each area to wheel and otherwise explore. 2 weeks between border crossings. Hoping to get a couple more vehicles to join the group. Maximum of 5 vehicle group size. Fun easygoing people only. Spread the word to anyone who may be interested and fits that description. Even if it’s for one or two locations. Once in a lifetime type trip. Hit me back on Instagram off_road_origins if it’s of interest. 😄

Bummer. I would bet a small fortune, if I were betting, that the tour groups are the ones making the rules. Either directly or by legislative efforts. It’s about turnaround I would think. They didn’t like waiting for anyone not associated with tour groups especially at obstacles, all around Sedona. That was our experience anyway.

@@offroadorigins6609 I totally agree that the tour companies are lobbying for restrictions. For us this past weekend there were not too many "Pink Jeeps" but they definitely acted like they owned the place and were not as friendly as a fellow off roader typically is. Glad I got to see several of the trails but no need to hurry back up there...

Thanks! We had a blast on the trail. Hope you do too!

Thanks! Ya there is a lot of placer/surface type mining and testing all through the Pine Nuts. It’s a fun interesting area to explore. Where abouts was your mine?

Oh don’t get me started… I have paid much closer attention to Jake’s homemade mods since. Lol. I try to put as little as possible on top of my new ride. It’s taller and more top heavy than the Frontier was. Our more recent trips have been much more difficult and we’re really tuning our skills/rides/mods. Hope you check them out!

@@codybesler1026 thats good to hear I really enjoy your guys content. But seeing all that stuff on the roof racks really makes me cringe cause I've seen what can happen when they snap off. But hopefully lessons learnt and you guys keep making these great video's 👍

Thanks!

A worthy goal and destination. I deliberately mentioned the small towns that we were near as a starting point and a few other clues. I use BRMB app on my phone for trail recon before heading out on a trip. Download offline maps for areas you are interested in. If you are having difficulty in your searches and you can figure out how to PM me, I will help you narrow it down. BTW we’ll be back up there in early July. Throw us a few bucks and you can tag along. 😂

Zack you can buy at backroadmapbooks.com for all of Canada. Might be a software version as well

I like using gaiagps as I can create routes on the computer and then log in to my tablet that I use for navigation. You can down load the maps so they still work when out of cell range, but the BC backroads book is a good back up plan.

Thanks!

My only complaint is that it’s busy. Very busy. I hadn’t been there off road in nearly 20 years. It’s definitely a must do but my advice is to do it soon. It’s only going to get more crowded as the years tick by. Best of luck on your truck build by the way. Vehicle builds are always a lot of fun for me. Speaking of which, I’ve done a ton of work to the cruiser since this trip. Made our way back up to Canada back in September. Another once in a lifetime type adventure! It performed like a true monster on some very difficult trails. Had bears at nearly all of our back country camp spots too which adds to the adventure. 😄 Also, if you do watch the Alexander MacKenzie videos make sure to turn your surround sound off. For some strange reason the audio is awful with it on. Thanks for watching!

We have been to Pine Grove Ghost Town, and loved it for 4 days! Got to see a lot.... My wife and I own a home in Ca and one in Lyon County Nevada off Highway 50----The Pine Nut Range is visible from our front window----beautiful to stay there and to use it for the start of our adventures---maybe we will run into each other out there some day---I'll buy the first round!

@@precisionmarksmanshiphq773 Sounds great! We’ve sure had a lot of fun exploring out there over the years.

That’s awesome. A great trail and quite an adventure. Was Kluskoil Lake burned? We were watching the fire maps earlier this summer and it looked like the abandoned fishing lodge and the forest up to the beginning of the trail may have burned.

LOL! Yes we did. We’re hopeful that the border will be open by Labor Day this year. We have an even more epic trip planned. Anyway I’m finishing up on a couple more full length videos of a trip we did this spring to Arizona. Beautiful and epic in a completely different way. The first one is up on our channel, “Lost and found in Arizona”. The next one is soon. We’re getting better with filming and editing…. 😂

Thanks David! First off, sorry to hear about the case spikes up there of late. We’re hoping it’s short lived! Anyway we’re glad to hear that you have plans to drive it but I’d make sure you will be permitted to travel through the tribal lands. They have been closed to outside travelers, at least from what I have been told. If you watch our most recent video you will hear me give a brief review of the navigation system I had when we traveled it. One of my goals was to create a GPX file of our trip. Sadly it was a failure. We drove it using the @BRMB Cariboo Chilcotin Coast paper mapbook. Thank god we had it. Though not ideal it helped plenty. There are some important spots that you don’t want to miss where to turn. Also there are multiple routes that you can take and still be “on the trail”. We obviously took the route that had us crossing the Blackwater at Pan Meadow Crossing. If you take that route message me and I’ll give you everything you need to know to make it through the trail...at least the way we made it through. Hope you get a chance to watch our most recent video we dropped last week. Two more we’re working to finish up. We’re also hoping to see the border open by the time you are hitting the AMHT. We have a great trip brewing that was originally planned for last year but...2020. Hoping everything goes back to normal and your trip happens for you. 👍

Thanks Eric! Jake’s at 18ish PSI. I was at ??? Truth of the matter is that I literally worked on the cruiser every chance I had, from picking it up in December and leaving on the trip in March. I had no time to figure out that my deflator tool didn’t work on my Trail Worthy double bead locks. 🤣 We didn’t have a pressure gauge that worked on them either until we got closer to Sedona, (the Sedona video is coming soon too) so I was forced to deflate blindly. 🧑‍🦯 Thanks though! We’re working on stuff like that. In the next video you can really tell that I could have used less air on the tougher obstacles.

Thanks Dan, we appreciate the kind words! The next video is coming soon and our next big adventure will happen before the end of summer so more content is in the works.

@@offroadorigins6609 Looking forward to it!

I may need to take you up on that. An Australian trip is in my top two coveted off roading destinations. It may take us a few years to make that happen though. 😄 FYI, if you subscribe you’ll be first to see our most recent video set to release very soon. I won’t ribbon cut here but suffice to say it was another epic trip!

Thanks Dan. We had a rough 2020 but we’re back on the trail and just completed one of our greatest adventures yet, last month. We’re video editing as we speak. The first of 3 videos should be completed in 2-3 weeks. Subscribe and see it first! 😄 Also check out our Pine Nut Mountain video too. We’re getting better with our video equipment and editing as we go. Thanks again!

@@offroadorigins6609 Awesome! Subbed, making my way through them tonight and can't wait to see the new adventure. I just mentioned your channel in a comment over at softroading the west. He just picked up a Frontier as a replacement for his totalled Subaru. Hopefully it gets you some subs. Last year I did the ORBDR, WABDR, Northern 1/2 of the IDBDR and the SoCALBDR. This year will be Utah BDR, COBDR, Southern Half of the IDBDR and the NVBDR. Keep the Adventure going!

@@danmulkiewicz5515 You sound quite busy on your own adventures. Glad to hear it! Hope to see you on the trail someday.

@@offroadorigins6609 like-wise! 🥃😎

Thanks for the kind words. We also appreciate the constructive criticism. I definitely understand what you’re saying. The quality of the audio wasn’t quite what I wanted either but it’s improved over the Alexander MacKenzie trip. If you watch those ones you need to turn surround sound off. I worked for a month trying to fix it with the editing software but to no avail. Anyway we will work to improve everything for our next trip/video (which will be VERY soon). Hoping to have enough content for several videos. Stay tuned! And don’t hesitate to tell us if we are improving or not. Thanks again!

I disagree I thought the commentary was quit good

Thanks! It was a hell of an adventure. We’ll be back to the AMHT for sure. We’re gearing up for a new adventure soon so subscribe and see it first!

Apologies! I was new to video editing. If you turn your surround sound off you should be about perfect. Just these two videos. Our Nevada trip is much better in video audio matching.

Agreed, however Jake’s low range was still too high for technical stuff. We’ve since fixed that problem (along with his roof rack). 😄 We’re getting ready to get back on the trail soon. It’s been a tough year for the ORO guys, me in particular but we are ramping up our efforts to get more content out. I will be releasing a quick update video soon with my new (to me) ride. Stay tuned and thanks!

ok. Seemed high geared to me. I owned a SR5 1982 Hilux once from new. Did not seem to have problem with crawl being too fast. Perhaps the diffs had lower gearing than Jake's. We are doing the Grease Trail in Aug. pending COVID as two Texan friends are coming with guess what? - 40" tired Jeeps. 2WD for them. Will be either 4 or 5 Jeeps

@@73challenger86 Yes. I asked him multiple times if he was in low on that trip. He’s regeared now so it’s much improved. Awesome that you’re taking on the trail. It’s not super hard but more of a marathon. It’s such a narrow trail in spots, you must pay close attention or tire damage is certain. That kind of driving is draining. Where it is a trial, no matter what vehicle you bring is the tree cleaning. Parts of the trail will be pretty clear. Others will likely not have been traveled at all for at least a year. With the native reservation area (around Kluskus Village) off limits to outsiders this last year due to Covid, who knows what you’ll find on the trail. 2 seasons of no travel could make it interesting. Could be like what the Expedition Overland guys found. A true adventure. Super excited for you though. I’m assuming it’ll be your first time through?

@@offroadorigins6609 Not first time. Last time was 1981. Just reliving a past memory.

Thanks. I’ll try to find out but our videographer has been tough to get a hold of lately. Audio narration was a little off due to Covid. We each had to do our best to record separately. It wasn’t perfect. We’re getting better. And we’re getting back on the road very soon so stay tuned for more content!

Great! Just ran it again last week. I’ll post a quick video soon. Did a shakedown run with my new ride. Stay tuned... As for directions, here’s the coordinates to the trail head coming from Sunrise Pass (the starting point for us). Watch for the natural bridge on the right side about halfway through. A pretty unique natural feature. It’s right where the canyon gets narrowest. If you get to the cave, you’ve past it by a quarter mile or so. Enjoy! 39°05'39"N 119°33'06"W

Also more trips planned soon so stay tuned!