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@@kadexshidomuda8113 hm? What my rebunk or key's debunk? And by "we can run it" I hope your reffering to the video being usuable as a debunk to key's claim, because if you want to debate you clearly haven't read my community post : ) Edit: I just remembered, the debunk didnt even begin 5 mins in 😭

@@MoreZ0K.1 Never said in the beginning. You put timestamps so obviously I'm talkin bout that 💀

@@kadexshidomuda8113 would be nice if you replied to the rest ☹️ meanie (I have no sense of acting mature)

@@MoreZ0K.1 Thats cool jit. Don't care bout yo com post. We cab run it regardless.

@@kadexshidomuda8113 I'm fine with that ig but not it yt comments because I can't send scans and neither can you.

@@edmonimcdaniel7700 np man

@@MoreZ0K.1 Where do you scale One Piece btw?

@@edmonimcdaniel7700 depends on the 20Billion islands statements, if there's actually 20Billion islands the size of the piece planet scales Multi-Planetary/Large Planetary, with it's density and DC requirements for blowing up ranging Large Planet/Brown Dwarf level. However this is only if that statement is taken literally, if it is, White beard will scale to the crust of this supermassive planet (Multi-Planetary) and luffy will be atleast Planetary+ If we don't take this statement literally, considering the size of the island, luffy's range/DC would be atleast Continental+ with Multi-Continental levels of AP, argueably moon level + in G5 I personally believe the one piece planet is bigger than earth just because even if 20B islands is a Hyperbole, to even think of that number it has to be in the millions atleast. I personally scale luffy Moon-Small Planet level. Though I accept arguements for anything between the following : Low Continental - Small Star I think anything inbetween those can be argued for.

@@MoreZ0K.1 Valid Reasoning 👌🏽

@@irahul_thakurrrrr well if we say bleach cosmology caps at 4D (not the case but for the sake of being reasonable) Ichigo, aizen, yhwach, SK would all easily scale Multiversal with MFTL+ Speeds atleast.

@@MoreZ0K.1 where you scale Naruto /boruto and yeah that shibai

@@irahul_thakurrrrr naruto - Star level (solar+ baryon mode) Boruto - Solar+ Shibai - 5D hax but no feats or statements unless I'm wrong, so atleast galaxyish since he's stronger than almost the whole verse combined

@@MoreZ0K.1Shibai IS the strongest in the verse

@@Kryptic_sx I know, but idk if he can beat jogan god, or the entire verse combined, so Im putting him galaxish (AT LEAST)

@@DomainPositive8 taking or giving? Last time I check drip never texted me back when I openly told him to debate me, and Key deleted my comments in his comments section LMFAO, I'm the one taking the L? Then why are they afraid to debate me, the funny part is the latest episode of bleach just straight up says they are universes 😭 atp it'll be like arguing with coughing babies

@@MoreZ0K.1 drip destroyed your whole video on his community post in front of thousands of ppl and they all agree youre a 🤡 everyone that saw your vid and his response agrees that you got slammed. Drip doesnt need to debate a random that hes already beaten in front of thousands. Also lying about keys funny because i saw how badly he debunked you on the speed video. You had to bring up false equivalencies and deny how light functions 🤣 funny how ur saying he didnt want to debate when you yourself showed how after you lost the first debate you went to his second video saying you wont debate him and just started posting insults to him and the people who rightfully called you out. "I wont debate key" 1 week later: "key doesnt want to debate me" 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

​@@MoreZ0K.1drip destroyed your whole video on his community post in front of thousands of ppl and they all agree youre a 🤡 everyone that saw your vid and his response agrees that you got slammed. Drip doesnt need to debate a random that hes already axiomically debunked in front of everyone. And lying about key is desperate because i saw how bad he debunked you on the speed video. You then bring up false equivalencies and deny how light functions 🤣 youre saying he didnt want to debate when you showed how after you lost the first debate you went to his second video saying you wont debate him and just started posting insults to him and the people who rightfully called you out. "I wont debate key" 1 week later: "key doesnt want to debate me"

@@DomainPositive8 I literally spoke to him after that in his server and DMS, if you don't know anything stay quite 💀 Also tf you mean he debunked me on the speed video he never replied back to me and deleted my comment bozo 😭

@@DomainPositive8 about the key not wanting to debate, that's true, before I didnt want to debate key, and I still don't, but he doesn't want to debate me after, go try to find my comment about me entire stand on his arguments on his cosmology video, he deleted it, the only thing he hasn't deleted are some replies 💀 so no key doesn't want to debate me. Furthermorez false light equivalences? When there's statements of cero being called light, not spiritual light, just literal lightz and it's even described as as coming from darkness, therefore it is literal light, would that not be a valid debunk 💀 like I'm just using the bare minimum, if you watched the entire stream you'd know I used sources against drip not key to debunk key, so I wasn't even prepared properly 🤡 yet 95%+ of people in this comment section agree with me LMAO.

- Same guy who got slammed so bad in my comments that he deleted his comment😹

@@kam_ui oof, real skill issue

@@onesmart229 huh? What? That never happened at this point in the series 💀 this is completely new anime content and in senjumaru's datapages it literally stated that she can weave infinite space and that she can effect all 3 realms, so either way it would still be a feat, and once again, the quincy shaking thing was solved by mayuri in cour 1, unless your taking about the soul king, which will still happen

@@MoreZ0K.1 I am talking about a difference between the manga and anime. In the manga early in the TYBW the worlds shake because of imbalance. This doesn’t happen in the anime version. Senjumaru’s feat basically replaced it. Because the actual method of shaking is unknown in anime it’s leads to a lot of different interpretations. Disrupting the balance doesn’t really provide a usable metric for cross verse so it’s easy to see why the misconception she somehow made shockwaves took off.

@@onesmart229 ahh I get it, I thought you were saying it's not valid because it's in the anime or something

@@MoreZ0K.1​​⁠not really trying to say it is invalid just that scaling of the anime and manga would be slightly different because of the feats preformed. Also her disrupting the balance explains why there’s no visible shockwaves from a single point.

@@onesmart229 she didn't disrupt the balance... She shook the dangai 3 realms and garganta...

Destroying cleaner which governs time (4D) would make the cleaner Universal+ My reasoning for this is simple, presidents govorn countries which are 3D since he's only governing the space in the area not time aswell, having control over the 4th dimension, in a STC would mean the cleaner is 4th dimensional because of this because 3 dimensional beings cannot affect higher dimensions just by existing. Aizen destroying cleaner = 4D (Uni+) Atleast 2x from Monster form Aizen scales - Low Multiversal Overall: Butterfly scaled Uni+/Low Multiversal

@@Ruler_calamity_477 ulquiorra lanza Del rampago, hmm. That depends, because if we upscale it from where everything at that point in the verse scales it's AP would be minimum Planetary and as high as star+ level, this would be when comparing the multipliers to everyone else. If were going off purely DC, ulquiorra's. Lanza would scale country level

@@abyzz4419 I'm leaning more towards no because it would still be pretty long, I put a lot of time stamps in the description to help out. For now, I will not be making a cut of the stream.

@@MoreZ0K.1 Ye,but its still very long man🥲

@@abyzz4419 i might do a cut but it wouldn't matter because it would still belike 40-70mins ;-;

@@MoreZ0K.1 That will be great

Low level comprehension in general.

Narutards seriously think they can really rant or bandwagon bleach like old times now and thinking they will still be relevant....... They need to understand that nobody cares about their bad takes on bleach at this point 😂...... Heck their own studio ( pierrot) is dichting on boruto and giving their entire budget on production of bleach....... Most of the so called Naruto fans Don't even know what their own series and just simply jump on social media rant and influences like Gigguk is a major criticizer of bleach who always comes with the same bland statement that " bleach falls off from soul society arc " ...... When in reality that is where the real fun begins 😂

@@Vissionary_Gojo-Tan00-rc9zt Fax ✍️💯

It's because they know bleach is stronger so they are trying to downplay it so their verse is stronger.

LMAO I just went back to key's video on his cosmology nd saw your comment not there. Dude straight up deleted it cause he knew you debunked him 😂

@@Goopster3 yep, he deleted like 3 already 😭

@@alhabeebhero8150 for the speed stuff, I totally believe everthing has a soul (konpaku) or reiyoku which is just spiritual energy inside a person or object. Since ginjo himself said that's the case. Also key said that spiritual stuff has mass, but ofc it would because he's talking about soul particles which make up actually structures, it doesn't dismiss the idea that spiritual photons are any different to normal ones, especially since normal ones have a soul. aka they would have equal speed. I think it's easier to argue bleach universal+ through anything EXCEPT the aizen transedant statement, because the aizen transendant statement doesn't scale him anywhere, only the cleaner destruction feat scales aizen Universal+ nothing else, the other feats I mentioned are the more concrete arguements for uni+ bleach. Such as: - yhwach being able to Destory parts of the garganta (portion of infinity is still infinite + it's higher dimensional) - Ichigo being able to balance and contain the entire cosmology with his reiatsu - Senjumaru Shaking The entire cosmology of bleach (includes higher constructs) They are just way more concrete compared to just the Aizen transendant statement because they are legit feats.

@@MoreZ0K.1 well for speed i agree key needs to read bleach For this while yes i do agree that there is alot of Cosmos stuff that scales them but u know i dibt wanna have have everytime i debate for 4d bleach to go through oh muken isnt infinite, he is referring to planets not realms, cycle of konpako, 15 millions degrees, he will only remove boundaries, chain reaction ... Etc all that bs over n over again personally i think the fkt statement is way easier to argue n if u want my interpretation i can give it to u Also do u have disc?

@@MoreZ0K.1 agree with speed Hmm idk y but my comments are deleted for some reason anyway hope this doesnt get deleted too Drop disx if u have discussing on yt comments is meh

@@DantetheSnakeMtgGames Is this because of Key's video? Either way if you want every light speed feat from pre arrancar arc I'll list it now: - parrying a cero - blizting characters faster than characters that outspeed the nagacion - emphasis on Uryu blitzing his shadow - Prefect Shunpo being so fast you can reverse time Beyond MFTL+ feats: - dodging future - perception blitzing characters that can perceive the entire cosmology - X-Axis Infinite speed feats being cut and therefore higher tiers than thay scale infinite speed minimum - shunpo style's that can reverse events because of how mastered they are There's a lot.

@@MoreZ0K.1 ok, I'll check it out

@@samuelzannou2202 What? Bro, that's temperature not time?? You can't scale speed with temperature, ichigo can be scaled to those speeds but not like that. Reiatsu = AP Reiatsu =/= Speed

That is not how immeasurable speed works

@@kristoferj.j8398 I might do one of those live debunks, because I'm not willing to make a proper video on someone who's disrespectful

@@Super_dragon981 have you checked his comments 🤣

@@MoreZ0K.1 no

@@Super_dragon981 yeh I debunked it hard lol

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@@yashmehta4087 exactly, people out here saying. "It doesn't matter if everything has a soul, it would mean the soul version is slower" or "it's not saying everything g has a soul, just that everything has a soul version" Then how tf did ginjo lift water by manipulating it's soul lmao Everything in bleach has reiyoku, which more so means spiritual light should be = to normal light. Photons are massless, yet they have reiyoku in them, which means both are light speed at least 😭

@@MoreZ0K.1 they have no media literacy ignore them And keep doing your work These dumb kids don't even know about many BLEACH terms and they have audacity to talk about bleach 💀

@@Zephyr947 I'm making a Cosmology breakdown video for bleach powerscalling, likely my last video on here in a while since I'm moving to a new channel @ZeOkOne which I've promoted in my community page 🍞

I'm guessing for bedrock?

@@arturmagomedov4849 he said it was a script error in his response

@@RandomGuy-ci9nt if u think im biased we can just debate it 💀 lmfao

@drip_sauce7967 Bro I think both yall are a bit bais

@@RandomGuy-ci9nt my guess is that me callinf low Multiversal a "Low Ball" is where I put him to high, or do you out write just dissagree with uni+ bleach (though I feel like I provided enough evidence) I'm curious where you scale ichigo.

@@RandomGuy-ci9nt that's fair to say, though when it comes to a topic's like this in specifically Fictional powerscalling, bias becomes a factor you have to take into account. SPOLIER WARNING: Jujutsu Kaisen is the best example with everything to do between gojo sukuna, most statements people make is just pure bias. In my case I see where you'd say I'm biased, though the only thing I'd see (from the bias) that would change the end out come is the fact I called it a "Lowball" while others may call it a midball or mid-highball

@itscappa honestly I put him around that tier but not exactly Uni If we're talking Specifically TYBW Ichigo and not CFYOW and BFH Ichigo

@@154Mamba he had some good points I'll gibe respect on that, but his meta in the grand scheme of things just doesn't make sense in terms of bleach, how would someone be able to destory a portion of something infinite (even a portion of infinity is still infinity) and still scale only about planetary+ at best. It doesn't make any narrative sense.

Well it's just proof that he controls anything and everything to do with the colour black, it belongs to him, and nobody can take that away. if the soil society's night refers to the planet then it would be like energy wise, country/continental+, if it refers to the whole universe of the soul society then low Universal (if finite) or High universal (if infinite) though it really depends on that, which is very vague stated so I dont use it.