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Hi, im new to your channel. Im guessing you have multiple off road bike's? I currently have a honda crf300l completely stock engine mods wise. Only have had tusk ddport rear and mt21 front. Now im trying mt21 front with motoz tractionator adventure rear. Ive been seeing a few different channels on this 450rl maybe looking to future way down the road. Im still a baby on dirt 😂 not so much on pavement i do lean it pretty good even with nobby tire's. Ill keep watching you progress with this bike and also the ecu flash. Too bad it doesn't have the service intervals as crf300l

Seat concepts seat, got one on my Honda CRF 450, my Yamaha wr 250r. And added one to my Norden standard height Seat Concepts it’s slightly more comfortable than the stock oem seat. Though you can slide from side to side easier on the oem seat. The Seat Concepts seat takes a few mile to break in (1000+/-) miles then it’s nicer.

dude, i get seat height, i'm vertically challenged at 5'7, the pan america is great for me because of the arh, but i have since realized thats my sport tourer, with gravel and fire roads thrown in and that i don't want to pick it up, i have since got a 701, had my dealer lower it 2in with proper springs and valving for my weight, i'm pretty comfortable on the balls of my feet when i stop, but need to watch where i park because of the kickstand, yea, i lost some ground clearance but do not ride it like a motocross bike and its way more fun in the woods because of the weight, and that thumper engine can get up and go.....I really like the expedition, but if i ever got one of those i know it would need lowered for me also, maybe not, but still, its good knowing you can get your foot down onto the ground when needed. sláinte!

As far as ADV garments here is what I am waiting for. After having owned all the KLIM, RevIT, Motoport etc.etc stuff for 1000's of dollars, I am over "plastic" feeling garments. Laminated gore-tex or membranes just never feel comfortable enough and I am just over the looks of the gear. Surely with the advances in abrasion resistant and waterproof denim, we can have cotton/denim based apparel that is waterproof and still breathes. It is possible with jeans and waterproof zippers I think - and thermal layers can complete the garment system. So please somebody make garments that are cotton/canvas based shells that match the performance of Klim garments. It is possible. Also doesn't need to cost $2k either. Okay - rant over :)

The seat hight is perfect! At least with my hight of 6’9! 😂

Love your videos and your channel - I have the 901 Expedition and an FE350. I put the Rally seat on from day one, with suspension on sport settings. It is tall! Even at 6 ft tall with a 33" inseam. I do find you have to plan where you are coming to a stop on rocky trails if you can of course, and for those times you can't it is a heavy lift if facing down the mountain 🙂

Oh, and I bit the bullet and picked up a brand new 2024 expedition this week!

Husqvarna makes a factory lowering kit that drops it 25mm I think. It would make it roughly the same height as the standard version. There’s still plenty of suspension travel that you’ll never be able to use. No one will even notice. All my riding buddies talk a lot of trash about lowering bikes but after I lowered my 500 EXC 1.5 inches no one even noticed!! At 5 foot 10 with a 31 inch inseam I’m able to comfortably leave my left foot on the peg and my right foot flat on the ground in riding boots, which is perfect in technical terrain and is exactly how I fit on the Norden!

I disagree with a few things stated in this video. First, Zero Mile ADV claimed the Ducati Desert X suspension was better than Tiger 900 RP. He didn't mention having ridden a Desert X, but having ridden all three bikes mentioned, I can say that the stock Desert X suspension bottoms out just as much as the Tiger's. And I would rate both the Tiger and the Desert X equally overall. But the Norden 901 Expedition suspension, with WP XPLOR, is far superior to all other Adventure bike models (excluding the special edition KTM 890 Adventure R Rally - with WP XPLOR Pro, and maybe also the Desert X Rally - with Pro KYB suspension). Zero Mile ADV kind of mixed up rake with suspension talking about the Tiger RP. I didn't find the steeper rake of the Tiger to be any issue at all, and think that jacking up the front and reducing the rear preload causes more problems than it solves. I agree with Zero Mile ADV's assessment of the Tiger motor, and only add that I think the Tiger's motor - with it's triple cylinders - is more fun than the Norden's in some ways, but doesn't feel quite as powerful - despite being close in horsepower. This is probably due to the Norden having 100 Nm torque - compared to the Tiger's 90 Nm. The Tiger 900 RP is a great bike, but just like all other standard edition Adventure bikes, it is not as off road focused as the Norden 901 Expedition or KTM 890 Adventure R.

Greta video, thanks for your take on both bikes. Just a question I still have: how would you rate wind protection and general comfort on long road sections at higher speeds?

When watching the mounting of the rack I realised that you have fixed the cross bar the wrong way. I think the U-shape has to look up, to be far away of the rear wheel. Happy riding Chris

Im a statistic of hard panniers! As I'm laying on the couch watching videos of what soft bags I'm going to buy..... broken ankle, broken Tibia and Fibula. My Xmas gift is leaning to the mosko moto backcountry!

If you don't like speakers, why buy a CVO? I won't buy a CVO unless it's an ST (no speakers in bags) because I don't like speakers either. If I buy a new Road Glide, I'll get a police model no speakers at all.

Drop your pressures down to 15. You'll still have plenty of pinch flat protection and the bike won't feel so loose and skittish.

Great progress. Hope that you will follow new trend, lite and stretch apparel. Focus on layers that can be very practical. Do not forget that moto apparel is fashion , follow cycling and hiking apparel directions.

cudo's to ur paint guy...looks great!!!! After the sale Harleys done with ya!!!

11.51, Are you not just a good rider?

Heck yeah! Get the GS.

I disagree with @zeromileadv and would never recommend an Adventure bike to a beginner - especially not a BIG R1250GS! Best to learn on a smaller lighter dual-sport - preferably one of the better performance ones like a KTM or Beta 350 / 500. Then keep the dual-sport and add a middle weight Adventure bike when you are ready. Best beginner Adventure bike is probably a KTM 790 Adventure or KTM 890 Adventure R - depending on rider height and street vs dirt focus. It is probably also the best bike for advanced riders who are dirt focused. But any of the top four middle weight bikes are great. They are the Ducati Desert X, BMW F900GS, Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro, and the KTM's. I would say the Tiger is a little better for the advanced rider who appreciates it's awesome smooth triple motor, and is a little more tarmac focused. Buy the bike for the riding you want to do, and not the riding you need to do in between. So if you want to go Offroad, don't buy a BIG 1200-1300cc bike just for the miles in-between the your house and the trail. The middle weight bikes these days can munch those miles just about as well as a BIG GS, but the 900ish cc bikes are way more manageable off road because they weigh so much less. There is no replacement for lack of weight!

You hit it on the head with the Honda. Need to have good skill and you also need to be in shape. It's powerful and alot of bike in the tight stuff. Imagine the 450L stage 2 kit with 58hp, take my word it's a handful!

What do you think of the Heritage? I’m not such a fan of the looks but it’s super comfortable. Initially went in for the Low Rider ST and it was way too uncomfortable for me being 6feet so just out of curiosity I test rode the Heritage Classic 114 2024 and it was a perfect fit. So I’m stuck wanting a sexy LW ST but I know I won’t take it on longer rides and then loving the Heritage which I will def go on trips with.

I'm buying one soon 11,000 out the door here in wash State .2024

I have 2 bikes. One is a trials and the other is a 1250gs. The trials made me a better rider and I’m doing some pretty technical stuff with a GS. Don’t underestimate a trials motorcycle to fine tune your skills. I’m short rider at 5’6” inches. Great video!

Any issues with your Norden? I'm looking to pick up my first "big" bike in February but with all thats been going on recently i'm a bit hesitant.

I love the 1300. After getting started on a KLX300R, I went straight to a 1300GS for off roading (with a little bit of electric street biking on the side for a while). I had a lot of great experiences growing my off roading capabilities on that bike. I've since gotten an 890 Adventure R, with the 1300GS now acting as a "back-up" option for off roading, but it comes at a disadvantage - the 1300 is great for getting *to and from* the trail, which can be anything from 1 hour to 3 hours of riding (in each direction!) for me. Do I prefer the 890 once I'm *right there*? Sure. Would I prefer a dirt bike/light dual sport? Sure. But unless I switch to a truck and truck it around, I need to balance on-road and off road riding. The 1300 (with the sports suspension) was quite serviceable for riding trails, even trending technical ones. Yes, as I go more and more technical eventually you get to the point where a certain bike sized becomes unreasonable, but you can do a *lot* with a 1300. And this is me speaking as a rider with only slightly more than a year of experience on bikes. As you have discussed, for something like a BDR ride this is great. Is it great for single track or super technical stuff? No! But that's okay. It's all about what you want to ride and your circumstances and needs. And you can do considerably more technical riding on big bikes than some people would have you believe.

Would you recommend the Ducati Multi V4s to someone that’s got both a Goldwing and a Suzuki 1000cc sport tourer as an adequate replacement for both bikes in terms of comfort and power?

I have a GS 1250, a CRF 300L, and a CRF 125. I enjoy all of them. You never wish that your bike was smaller but wish that you were more skillful. The real fun comes with a big bike.

Just my opinion: I'm 57 and have been riding for many decades, and my motorcycles keep getting smaller; my newest one being a non-abs crf300L. I would only buy a bike T7 or heavier if I took a passenger, or wanted to to a long road tour, as on the trails I don't want to drop anything heavier than 350#. I also don't want all the the -- to me -- unneeded tech on the big bikes. On the other side of the isle, a friend won't ride anything smaller than his 2020 Africa Twin A.S.

Consider some sprocket variations to find a gearing you like too… I have a 450RL supermoto and have played with the gearing to get it just right. Subscribed, nice video!

I sold my Africa Twin because I found it too heavy off-road. It was really hard to pick up and I lacked the skill to ride with confidence in rough terrain. Yes, it was great on the highway, but I want a bike that is less of a compromise off-road. I have a Honda 250L, which is great off-road for me, but lacks the range I want. I'm rarely on a freeway with trucks, so that's not an issue for me, but I do want a bike that has enough heft to take me comfortably at highway speed and then tackle some unmaintained forest routes. Still looking for my Goldilocks bike.

My first bike ever was a KTM 1290 SAR. I still have it and don’t ever regret buying it.

I’m really loving my new Ducati desert x rally. I think a man needs at least 6 motorcycles. Haha

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, including myself, but I've ridden all sizes of bikes all my life (I'm 57 now). At this stage of my life, a big adv bike fits the bill. Long distances on the highway and some light off-roading. My current, and potentially last bike, is a '23 Tiger 1200. I love that bike. Everyone has different wants and desires. Hard enduro and single track isn't my thing anymore. I'll camp if I need to, but hotels and hot showers are my thing now. I've never been one to brag about how hard of a day I had. I can get that at work. Different tools for different jobs. If I had the room, I'd have 5 bikes. ADV, sport bike, ~300 cc dual sport, cruiser, retro bike.

Had a KTM 1190 for my first adventure bike. Was stolen. Insurance didn’t really pay enough for another. Got a Honda XR650L, nice enough bike but it’s no 1190. Going to sell the Honda and get back to a full size Adv bike in spring.

You can ride any weight bike no issues until you drop it on dirt , even easy dirt roads can contain hidden or unexpected dangers , in Australia kangaroos and bulldust just to name two. If you are riding with others , no worries hey Fred Stan and Bob can you lift this 800lb bike off me , oh geez they are way up ahead 😢.. The reason a beginner or even an experienced rider should ride a manageable weighted bike …is so They Can Pick It Up ON Their Own🤔

Keep it up. You have a style just stay with it

Not sure how I came across this video, but you did a great job explaining what you liked/disliked on both bikes. I grew up riding tracks, dunes and desert, so the 450 MX bikes were all I rode. After a near life ending accident, I thought I'd slow it down by getting a CRF450X. Worst bike I've ever owned. I did not enjoy it at all. We moved out to CO 3yrs ago, and we brought our 4-stroke bikes. My son and I on a KTM 350XC and daughter on her KTM 250SXF. Absolutely loved them in the desert. We had a terrible time with these 4-strokes on tougher single tracks, out here in CO. They felt very heavy, and would flame out occasionally. We immediately sold them and bought 3 2-stroke bikes. Mine is a KTM 250XC, son is KTM 300XC and daughter a Beta XTrainer 300. My daughter immediately increased her skill level, as her confidence had grown significantly. The 2-strokes are absolutely incredible for the riding we do out here. There is no way I could go back to a 4-stroke...for the riding WE do. If I move again and get back into track riding, and more desert riding...I'll be back on a 4-stroke. Anyway, great job on the video. I realize you're a fairly new rider, but you did a great job presenting your thoughts.

I love that magnetic plate!

All accounted for, how much did you approximately spend on mods? Also, do you do your own valve clearance checks? Honda quoted me at about 4.5 hrs of labor, so approximately $620 every 2,000 miles to have the valves checked.

Und sie sieht doch besser als die GS1300 aus!

If its feasible for you think about picking up a used trials bike. The absolute fastest way to build a solid foundation of riding skills. The balance and timing a trials bike will teach you is simply invaluable when riding any other type of bike off road or on. A big plus is how little space is required, a typical back yard is plenty and they are quiet enough to not disturb the neighbors. I've been riding and racing for many decades and started basic trials two years ago, even as an "old guy" the lessons learned have paid many dividends when out riding my usual trails.

This is the worst RUclips channel in the world because your opinion is different than mine. There's no way a KTM 300XC could ever be better than the CRF450RL at anything ever, so there. I think weight of the bike, tires, and confidence make all the difference. The 2-strokes are less prone to stalling and are lighter, leading to increased confidence. The better tires of the KTM make a definite difference in grip, leading to increased confidence. I think what's been working for me is to use my Beta XTrainer to try new things and build confidence and then ride the 450 with that confidence. The XTrainer is happy to putt around and go slow, is easy to ride, and way more forgiving. The 450 sort of demands more confidence. It's not happy to putt around. When I'm feeling confident and push it, the bike rewards me. Otherwise, it's not a lot of fun and becomes work. I got the Beta just over a year ago with the express purpose of having a bike that is easy to ride yet capable. I wanted something I could use to push my skills and make me a better rider across the board. Mission accomplished. I'm doing things on the 450 I wouldn't have dreamed of doing a year ago. The single track I usually ride has become easy and I'm starting to ride fast enough that the Beta's suspension is not keeping up. I'm not bottoming out so much, but the bike is getting a bit hard to control because the suspension is getting all out of sorts. Meanwhile the 450 has turned into a magic carpet ride on those same trails. The extra heft of the 450 is more work but it's okay. The Beta starts beating me up at those speeds.

Not the worst video by a long shot.Dont beat yourself up.Your a newbie.The more you ride the better you get.If you have a buddy or two that ride faster than you that will push your skill level.Welcome to the world of dirt bikes.

Pick one bike and ride it, enjoy the bike you have rather than always wanting something else. No matter what you choose there will be another latest greatest model released next year. Are you riding for a world championship? State title? Or even Ace of the club? In the big scheme of things it doesn't matter what bike you're on, enjoy it instead of always wishing for something else.

There's a tech 10 enduro now

Its a shittty bike from top to bottom.

I have 1700 miles on my 450RL. I did install the throttle tamer and set my idle up enough that it will take off with barely a sputter when I ease out clutch without adding throttle. It doesn’t like to chug, I have to stay on throttle just a little to avoid flame outs. I think it’s like anything else, just ride it and adapt. I enjoy the bike it has made me a better rider on my other motorcycles, and makes me appreciate those other bikes more for their smooth throttles and softer seats. But I smile more on the 450 because it wants to play dead and then spring to life and try to rip me out of the saddle. Plus it’s light enough to manhandle. I’d buy it again without any regret. I’m gonna put GET ECU on it this winter and get a good exhaust, and hope next summer when I bump a log or a rock I can just goose my throttle a little to get over it without feathering that clutch so much. It’s so cantankerous it’s fun, I know I shouldn’t like it so much but I enjoy the challenge of keeping it running through the slow stuff. Anyways I type too much.

There are some different seat options or you could get a rally seat for your Norden 901, maybe that will help, and it is the best looking adventure bike for sure!

Hair looks great 👍

No way , your wrong..