Joby's concept seems the most efficient since none of the props & motors become parasitic dead weight after transition.
10 дней назад
I like them both along with LILM but Joby is far ahead of the others. I own all 3, may even buy more with the recent drops, I just need one of them to "take off" pun intended.
@@bronxishomenomatterwhereig3149 it means much ... and it works good . I would say it is something different. Lilium is more a normal aircraft the others is more a drohne
10 дней назад
not a good way to plug your stock when you have no facts....but I also own LILM
Lilium and all the others is a risk .... but the stocks it is cheap. I would never invest much money into a risky stock but a little bit .and it is just a feeling that lilium is good . But I think thay will sell the company .... and what happen than we will see.
8 дней назад
@@nik1522 I own Lilm, Joby and Achr, I hope they all take off. Lilm is the cheapest of the 3 but that's not always a good thing
Embraer (Eve) of course. Neither cia have ever produced a plane ✈️. Embraer made more than 30 different planes over 55 years. Else Eve has almost 3000 pre-orders. 40% of the market
Uh... what? Archer's mainline aircraft is the Midnight.. which you show in the video multiple times yet only mentioned their demonstrator aircraft and its specs.. The video information is less than useful as a result.
I don’t know what’s so useless when they’ll be doing air taxi services in 2025. They didn’t build a huge manufacturing plant in Georgia for their EV’s for nothing
@@willfitz94No Archer will not be doing anything in 2025. JOBY is the only one in stage 4 out of 5 in FAA testing. Archer has to redesign their aircraft because it failed a stage of testing. They are at minimum 2 to 3 years away from possibly launching.
@@willfitz94 FAA certified to operate as a commercial airline. But the Midnight aircraft itself? No, that is years away from certification. What good is the commercial certification. Without an aircraft??? JOBY is the closest to getting a EVTOL aircraft certified for commercial use.
@@bronxishomenomatterwhereig3149 you say years away yet they’re commercializing in 2025 at major airports in the US. Also it has no set backs in the FAA certifaction for the midnight aircraft.
They should have a parachutes for more safety fly in case batteries or energy fail and some extinguisher in case or fire ,that taxi will fly over population and buildings. Do they have that devices ???
Congratulations on picking two of the top start up eVTOL companies, Joby Aviation and Archer Aviation. I have been to their headquarters operations and Silicon Valley twice and have visited them on on-site presentations. In a new book published in May,ml Dude, where’s my flying car? Archer and Joe Orr both sided two of the top three most likely to succeed in this industry. There are 22 different VTOL companies featured. These are definitely two of the standouts.
A very superficial look with no mention of commercial viability. How do you provide low seat-mile costs with a four seat aircraft that costs $1B to $2B to develop? Conventional takeoff aircraft cost far, far less to develop, operate from the many small airfields that already exist and can satisfy a market for cross country ‘thin’ routes. Also 400km range vs 200km (at best).
10 дней назад
development is always expensive, new products are always expensive.....look at flat screen TVs 20 years ago.
@@bobcostas5094 Joby has almost 1 billion in cash, they are good for a while plus they have a govt contract. Achr also has a gov't contract but not sure about available cash. Japan and Delta plus Dubai are backing Joby, Achr has United and some others.
Joby is working with and is funded by the DoD. Their aircraft is extremely quiet, now think about why the DoD would be interested in almost silent vtol aircraft. They might not be the "sky taxi" in 30 years but they are 100% going places. Cool video.
@Lost_Hwasal Joby has a limited application profile. IF it ends up being cheaper than a helicopter already in use, of course the DoD would be interested. First Joby will have to prove it's reliably safe. It's recent crash isn't selling dependability to the top brass nonetheless prove it can carry weapon grade armaments safely or reliably
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@@EarthCreature. Joby has delivered 2 acft to the USAF, ACHR has delivered 1, also good. Joby's "recent" crash was 2.5 years ago and that's almost ALWAYS a thing during testing. Joby is significantly further along with testing, approvals and certs.....but I still like and own all 3
There will be multiple winners as there's about 25 companies jockeying now. Lillium has some fundamental engineering limitations though and it remains to be seen whether they'll be overcome before running out of money. Powertrain and electric engines being the key problems.
@oddbirdinohio Incorrect. Lilium has the quietest noise profile that gives them full access to all urban mobility expansion, the most efficiently engineered & its already in worldwide demand. There's only 4 reasonably competitive companies that exist and only 1 of them is superior in performance, cost & safety.
@@EarthCreature. I guess you don’t pay attention much to the news? Lilium is certainly a frontline contender. Buts it’s in an emerging industry of the dying and in the middle of an unforgiving market. Their runway to survival is short and in a bit of an emergency. Their aircraft are super cool and appealing for a variety of reasons, but they don’t fly because of retail investor conviction. Though lowering interest rates help. There’s a few fundamental reasons it’s a penny stock when others arent which don’t bode well for it. As a relatively successful investor in several start ups so far. I will submit to you that, regardless of your beliefs, the ‘best products’ don’t always win. And even Lilium itself has openly said they can’t find batteries good enough currently to achieve their originally stated performance goals. This has not changed in 2024 and they’ve stated for 2 years they’re trying to create their own higher standard and so far nothing to show on that front. The farnsborough air show was last week so this is very up to date. Business and management ain’t that simple as your jet is super cool and quieter than baby farts. Lilium is doing alright, but unless they keep diluting or suddenly meet their delayed milestones and scale to production they’ll dry up and die. 40% dilution in shares this year alone. There is hope that they’ll announce a loan from German govt soon. Not to mention they already have a Chinese doppelgänger company seeking to undercut their deals and surely stealing their IP. They have until 2025 Q1 to make revenue happen (it won’t) or they continue diluting a lot if they can. Or they’re dead. Period. They are fighting it seems. It’s not a zombie firm yet. I’m also an investor in this company and archer and I’ve at least doubled my money in both thus far already. I of course would very much like that to be more. But a dose of realism and caution is warranted. Would be stoked if they all did well or one did really well. But I’ve have the life experience of watching too many firms (automotive, rocket, solar) especially European companies, run dry and dead in the open market before they ever make a real impact.
Archer is too far behind Joby. If my memory doesn't fail me, Archer had just done the transition flying for the first time at the speed of +100mph last month.
@@MrStefangyro mass production next year is only a plan. until and unless Archer has obtained all necessary cert from FAA, they can't produce anything.
@@MrCat852 Uneducated, you can get Certification from many different countries If you have the data. For example Archer is also getting Certification from middle East countries. So there are many different avenues to sell this Aircraft or use it. From military to Airtaxi. And there is regulation that can be used to speed up the progress. For example many Evtols are applying to Asian countries some already have Certification.
@@MrStefangyro calm down. My reply to you confined to your statement that " Archer... will start to massproduce this year" . What you meant is not prototype but final version. If you really think Archer is in a position to do so within THIS YEAR, you are nothing but naive
@@EarthCreature. I understand how bad you want Lilium to win. Unfortunately, they are too slow developing the product and getting licensing and speed is irrelevant for short distances air travel. Good luck with it.
Neither, As Helicopters already have low disc loading and high hover efficiency. For urban transport focus should be on reducing the noise level of the rotors. A Heli Gyro hybrid architecture can be looked into. Also auto gyration introduces a passive and reliable layer of safety.
Lol! And are WAAAAAYYYY more expensive to operate. Helicopters WON'T be competing anytime soon with ground-based transportation for LARGE SCALE consumer market share anytime soon as a result. Also, there is a high probability that battery technology will double in capacity every 18 months, doubling the range of EVTOL aircraft in turn. Conventional helicopters won't be able to keep up.
Bell and Boeing both made demonstrators. Super expensive and didn't bring radical transformation of abilities or safety. Earlier this year they were both rejected by the army in favor or souped up, cheaper versions of current helicopters.
"Lion's share" eh? How many evtols have been delivered in this 'market'? Check out the Crisalion ,an evtol that is even crazier than the lily ( and an even sillier made up name that includes lion deliberately)
@ali460ful Joby can't scale up whether these Joby queens admit it or not. Why fly slow when you can see companies like Sakuu unleashing metal-frre solid state 750-1000 wh/l energy dense batteries. Lilium already has a six-seater that can provide meaningful regional air mobility with the quietest use profile(that gives Lilium reach into all marketing applications anywhere air mo ility would apply. Not to mention the complications of a hydrogen hybrid mean that it's got a high yield critical failure application in crash risks. Even dendritic meltdowns in metal batteries have limited fire risks in a worse case scenario. Joby already crashed recently, mind you
So Archer is starting service in 2024 while spending $$$$ on Usher and CGI videos and boasts 1400 lbs more curb weight than JOBY showing IRL flight in NYC starting service in 2025. Poor, poor JOBY ($923million current cash balance) couldn’t afford an attractive celebrity or any decent CGI. They had to settle for IRL flying sequences. Sad. 😢
In 2021, I started small positions in both Joby and Lilium. But after looking closer for few more months, I think Lilium may be a scam. Just google Lilium evtol prototype damaged 2020 & Lilium controversy.
Cannot loose if we invest in either and additional players in the market. It might be the third or fourth player that captures market share in the subsequent decades.
@lavantesfranklin9196 Nah. Lilium is the future of aviation. Not these 2 limited use startups. The Joby queens profess it's quieter now but an electronic octopus of rotary is only going to end up loud out there no matter what
@@EarthCreature. I'm not sure why you seem biased toward Lilium. Can you provide the data to support this preference? Also, why is speed a concern for a shorter distance air commute? The main issue isn't how fast the eVTOL flies, but rather how quickly passengers can board the air taxi without long waits, similar to the wait times at airports. For short distances, the speed of the air taxi is less relevant.
A new class action lawsuit was filed against Archer. It points out that there is no evidence or communication that Maker ever achieved its design speed of 150mph and its range of 60 miles. The lawsuit got very little publicity. We downloaded the documents and had a look at what is going on. ruclips.net/video/JpYbQKrYIdU/видео.html
flagship aircraft for archer should be midnights
very useful!
Joby's concept seems the most efficient since none of the props & motors become parasitic dead weight after transition.
I like them both along with LILM but Joby is far ahead of the others. I own all 3, may even buy more with the recent drops, I just need one of them to "take off" pun intended.
I have both stocks
same along with LILM, good luck
No mention of Archer Aviations Midnight EVTOL
Joby is linked to Delta Airlines
and United
I own both and archer has 3+ billion in order books. They’re partnered with southwest and United also has large order for archer.
Lilium looks much better
Looks mean nothing if you can't perform
@@bronxishomenomatterwhereig3149 it means much ... and it works good . I would say it is something different. Lilium is more a normal aircraft the others is more a drohne
not a good way to plug your stock when you have no facts....but I also own LILM
Lilium and all the others is a risk .... but the stocks it is cheap. I would never invest much money into a risky stock but a little bit .and it is just a feeling that lilium is good . But I think thay will sell the company .... and what happen than we will see.
@@nik1522 I own Lilm, Joby and Achr, I hope they all take off. Lilm is the cheapest of the 3 but that's not always a good thing
Embraer (Eve) of course. Neither cia have ever produced a plane ✈️. Embraer made more than 30 different planes over 55 years. Else Eve has almost 3000 pre-orders. 40% of the market
Strange how TOYOTA kicked back against electric vehicles for many years but now invest heavily in electric aviation 😂
2 completely different things
I'll take a helicopter.
Good luck Kobe
You can't afford one. This is actually gonna be something we can afford. Do your research
Both companies will succeed, just like Boeing and Airbus
1. Are Airbus and Boeing aircraft short range? 2. Are Airbus and Boeing aircraft open rotors?
It’s interesting to see so many Lilium fans here, but reading comments on Lilium videos there are so many Lilium haters! What’s up with that?
people trying to plug their stock, nothing else.
Very little real comparisons - a waste of time to watch
There's no point in comparing twins to see who is more outstanding.
Lilium looks better
Joby is much further along...but I also own LILM
Hilariously delusional.
how so
Archer is a joke
lol literally no context with what you said. Clown 🤡
recently Saudi Arabia just signed a contract for 100 units of Lilium evtol...
#Lilium
Uh... what? Archer's mainline aircraft is the Midnight.. which you show in the video multiple times yet only mentioned their demonstrator aircraft and its specs.. The video information is less than useful as a result.
I don’t know what’s so useless when they’ll be doing air taxi services in 2025. They didn’t build a huge manufacturing plant in Georgia for their EV’s for nothing
@@willfitz94No Archer will not be doing anything in 2025. JOBY is the only one in stage 4 out of 5 in FAA testing. Archer has to redesign their aircraft because it failed a stage of testing. They are at minimum 2 to 3 years away from possibly launching.
@@bronxishomenomatterwhereig3149 They were actually FAA certified like months back what rock you living under
@@willfitz94 FAA certified to operate as a commercial airline. But the Midnight aircraft itself? No, that is years away from certification. What good is the commercial certification. Without an aircraft??? JOBY is the closest to getting a EVTOL aircraft certified for commercial use.
@@bronxishomenomatterwhereig3149 you say years away yet they’re commercializing in 2025 at major airports in the US. Also it has no set backs in the FAA certifaction for the midnight aircraft.
They should have a parachutes for more safety fly in case batteries or energy fail and some extinguisher in case or fire ,that taxi will fly over population and buildings. Do they have that devices ???
Lilium is the answer!
Ducted fans aren’t nearly as efficient as propellers.
@@bobcostas5094 not in the starting but during flight
Congratulations on picking two of the top start up eVTOL companies, Joby Aviation and Archer Aviation. I have been to their headquarters operations and Silicon Valley twice and have visited them on on-site presentations. In a new book published in May,ml Dude, where’s my flying car? Archer and Joe Orr both sided two of the top three most likely to succeed in this industry. There are 22 different VTOL companies featured. These are definitely two of the standouts.
@@timjackson9106 Lilium is the superior eVTOL. These two startups have limited use profiles & don't scale up
A very superficial look with no mention of commercial viability. How do you provide low seat-mile costs with a four seat aircraft that costs $1B to $2B to develop? Conventional takeoff aircraft cost far, far less to develop, operate from the many small airfields that already exist and can satisfy a market for cross country ‘thin’ routes. Also 400km range vs 200km (at best).
development is always expensive, new products are always expensive.....look at flat screen TVs 20 years ago.
Joby will win because their aircraft are smaller, fly further and will cost less to build and operate.
Lilium is the future
@@lupus_nocte 👎😂
Lilium is a real game changer.
they all likely are
If they don’t run out of cash before then.
@@bobcostas5094 Joby has almost 1 billion in cash, they are good for a while plus they have a govt contract. Achr also has a gov't contract but not sure about available cash. Japan and Delta plus Dubai are backing Joby, Achr has United and some others.
Lilium
Joby is working with and is funded by the DoD. Their aircraft is extremely quiet, now think about why the DoD would be interested in almost silent vtol aircraft. They might not be the "sky taxi" in 30 years but they are 100% going places. Cool video.
This is also true about archer. The Air Force has already purchased their aircraft for inter-base operations.
@Lost_Hwasal Joby has a limited application profile. IF it ends up being cheaper than a helicopter already in use, of course the DoD would be interested. First Joby will have to prove it's reliably safe. It's recent crash isn't selling dependability to the top brass nonetheless prove it can carry weapon grade armaments safely or reliably
@@EarthCreature. Joby has delivered 2 acft to the USAF, ACHR has delivered 1, also good. Joby's "recent" crash was 2.5 years ago and that's almost ALWAYS a thing during testing. Joby is significantly further along with testing, approvals and certs.....but I still like and own all 3
*Neither. The future of aviation is Lilium*
There will be multiple winners as there's about 25 companies jockeying now. Lillium has some fundamental engineering limitations though and it remains to be seen whether they'll be overcome before running out of money. Powertrain and electric engines being the key problems.
@oddbirdinohio Incorrect. Lilium has the quietest noise profile that gives them full access to all urban mobility expansion, the most efficiently engineered & its already in worldwide demand. There's only 4 reasonably competitive companies that exist and only 1 of them is superior in performance, cost & safety.
@@EarthCreature. I guess you don’t pay attention much to the news? Lilium is certainly a frontline contender. Buts it’s in an emerging industry of the dying and in the middle of an unforgiving market. Their runway to survival is short and in a bit of an emergency. Their aircraft are super cool and appealing for a variety of reasons, but they don’t fly because of retail investor conviction. Though lowering interest rates help. There’s a few fundamental reasons it’s a penny stock when others arent which don’t bode well for it. As a relatively successful investor in several start ups so far. I will submit to you that, regardless of your beliefs, the ‘best products’ don’t always win. And even Lilium itself has openly said they can’t find batteries good enough currently to achieve their originally stated performance goals. This has not changed in 2024 and they’ve stated for 2 years they’re trying to create their own higher standard and so far nothing to show on that front. The farnsborough air show was last week so this is very up to date. Business and management ain’t that simple as your jet is super cool and quieter than baby farts. Lilium is doing alright, but unless they keep diluting or suddenly meet their delayed milestones and scale to production they’ll dry up and die. 40% dilution in shares this year alone. There is hope that they’ll announce a loan from German govt soon. Not to mention they already have a Chinese doppelgänger company seeking to undercut their deals and surely stealing their IP. They have until 2025 Q1 to make revenue happen (it won’t) or they continue diluting a lot if they can. Or they’re dead. Period. They are fighting it seems. It’s not a zombie firm yet. I’m also an investor in this company and archer and I’ve at least doubled my money in both thus far already. I of course would very much like that to be more. But a dose of realism and caution is warranted. Would be stoked if they all did well or one did really well. But I’ve have the life experience of watching too many firms (automotive, rocket, solar) especially European companies, run dry and dead in the open market before they ever make a real impact.
Ilium aircraft looks like a 8yo game up with it. There’s going to be multiple winners and I’m sticking with the sexy ones
Archer is too far behind Joby. If my memory doesn't fail me, Archer had just done the transition flying for the first time at the speed of +100mph last month.
Archer is Safer, and will start to massproduce this year. And getting certification to fly in multiple countries.
@@MrStefangyro mass production next year is only a plan. until and unless Archer has obtained all necessary cert from FAA, they can't produce anything.
@@MrCat852 Uneducated, you can get Certification from many different countries If you have the data. For example Archer is also getting Certification from middle East countries. So there are many different avenues to sell this Aircraft or use it. From military to Airtaxi. And there is regulation that can be used to speed up the progress. For example many Evtols are applying to Asian countries some already have Certification.
@@MrStefangyro calm down. My reply to you confined to your statement that " Archer... will start to massproduce this year" . What you meant is not prototype but final version. If you really think Archer is in a position to do so within THIS YEAR, you are nothing but naive
@@MrCat852 Joby has more money But Archer is safer due to redundancy therefore a quicker process for Certification and more value.
@Discover.Aviation please also cover EH.
Sure. we will.
Joby can fly over 500 miles with their new hydrogen-electric system
@@kenjues1594 joby can crash, maybe
@@EarthCreature. anything can.
Who whants a hydrogen electric system ...?
@@kenjues1594 Joby can crash... again... already... maybe
@@EarthCreature. I understand how bad you want Lilium to win. Unfortunately, they are too slow developing the product and getting licensing and speed is irrelevant for short distances air travel. Good luck with it.
Neither, As Helicopters already have low disc loading and high hover efficiency. For urban transport focus should be on reducing the noise level of the rotors. A Heli Gyro hybrid architecture can be looked into. Also auto gyration introduces a passive and reliable layer of safety.
Lol! And are WAAAAAYYYY more expensive to operate. Helicopters WON'T be competing anytime soon with ground-based transportation for LARGE SCALE consumer market share anytime soon as a result. Also, there is a high probability that battery technology will double in capacity every 18 months, doubling the range of EVTOL aircraft in turn. Conventional helicopters won't be able to keep up.
Bell and Boeing both made demonstrators. Super expensive and didn't bring radical transformation of abilities or safety. Earlier this year they were both rejected by the army in favor or souped up, cheaper versions of current helicopters.
@@pruthvirajgatkul1046 Neither is correct. Lilium is the superior of these 2
Lilium is the latin name for the plant genus including lilies in English but also tulips. Look up one other word ,"Tulipmania"
@@rossnolan7283 That's not even remotely clever. You certainly won't be undoing Lilium's lionshare of the market anytime soon.
"Lion's share" eh? How many evtols have been delivered in this 'market'? Check out the Crisalion ,an evtol that is even crazier than the lily ( and an even sillier made up name that includes lion deliberately)
The main evtol of archer is the midget. And he can carry 4 passengers and have 150 km rang , maker is the small one.
Joby can fly over 500 miles
Joby up 500 miles
@ali460ful Joby can't scale up whether these Joby queens admit it or not. Why fly slow when you can see companies like Sakuu unleashing metal-frre solid state 750-1000 wh/l energy dense batteries. Lilium already has a six-seater that can provide meaningful regional air mobility with the quietest use profile(that gives Lilium reach into all marketing applications anywhere air mo ility would apply. Not to mention the complications of a hydrogen hybrid mean that it's got a high yield critical failure application in crash risks. Even dendritic meltdowns in metal batteries have limited fire risks in a worse case scenario. Joby already crashed recently, mind you
So Archer is starting service in 2024 while spending $$$$ on Usher and CGI videos and boasts 1400 lbs more curb weight than JOBY showing IRL flight in NYC starting service in 2025. Poor, poor JOBY ($923million current cash balance) couldn’t afford an attractive celebrity or any decent CGI. They had to settle for IRL flying sequences. Sad. 😢
The only thing archer is doing in 2024 is a redesign.
that's your complaint? That Joby is wasting money on garbage cgi....wow karen, better replace that 1-ply
One word: Lilium
In 2021, I started small positions in both Joby and Lilium. But after looking closer for few more months, I think Lilium may be a scam. Just google Lilium evtol prototype damaged 2020 & Lilium controversy.
Agreed! I feel Joby will trail blaze the path, but the Lilium “Jet” will conquer the market eventually.
Cannot loose if we invest in either and additional players in the market. It might be the third or fourth player that captures market share in the subsequent decades.
Just buy stock in both of them !
you might want to check out EH
@lavantesfranklin9196 Nah. Lilium is the future of aviation. Not these 2 limited use startups. The Joby queens profess it's quieter now but an electronic octopus of rotary is only going to end up loud out there no matter what
@@EarthCreature. I'm not sure why you seem biased toward Lilium. Can you provide the data to support this preference? Also, why is speed a concern for a shorter distance air commute? The main issue isn't how fast the eVTOL flies, but rather how quickly passengers can board the air taxi without long waits, similar to the wait times at airports. For short distances, the speed of the air taxi is less relevant.
@@kenjues1594CCP bro
@@hisokamorow8388 so what. I try to be unbias. Political ideology is shit
A new class action lawsuit was filed against Archer. It points out that there is no evidence or communication that Maker ever achieved its design speed of 150mph and its range of 60 miles. The lawsuit got very little publicity. We downloaded the documents and had a look at what is going on. ruclips.net/video/JpYbQKrYIdU/видео.html
Good video mate!
Glad you enjoyed it !
There's plenty of room for both companies and that's just in the U.S.A.@@Discover.Aviation