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rage bait is crazy, he was doing it bcs his people were literally eaten alive for centuries and didnt want to get genocided?

yeah go on admire the "MC"s who sided with people who literally killed their family and friends, and then killed their own comrades. Just because they are MCs and you love them doesn't change that they're traitors

You watched aot with your eyes closed lmao

As a person who hates Floch, I can see where you're coming from. One of my main problems is that I don't know a lot about Floch. He wasn't there for seasons 1 & 2. He kinda showed up halfway through season 3 and in that time, he was a coward, survived Zeke's onslaught, and voted for Erwin's survival. All of that is fine because, while I didn't like some of it, it's natural and real. It's just good writing. My main problems with Floch started when he said to Armin that he should've died and Erwin should've lived and when he just told Hitch that Marlo died for nothing. Then the next time we see him, he's dropping bombs on civilians, calling them devils, attempting to kill a kid who's been brainwashed, betrayed the government and his comrades, poisoned its soldiers and clearly enjoying doing so, starting the Rumbling and praising the genocide, killing those that helped him because they were from Marley, and holding a bunch of workers hostage with threats of execution because of non compliance. He's clearly not just doing what's necessary. He genuinely enjoys what he's doing. So, I already hate him for that, but I would've liked it more if I simply knew more about him and watched his growth.

@@EchoSDtheres nuance in there that isnt explained. Floch is a true patriot, patriots only see other patriots as their own people. Blood isn't necessarily the biggest concern. From the perspective of floch, the jagerists and the people of paradis the military and government are traitors selling them out and essentially letting the genocide of their own people happen even enabling it. Anyone who betrays their own are no longer belonging to that group. Floch is the grittily realistic patriot who knows war has costs and wont stand by while his people get slaughtered, him telling armin it shouldve been erwin is true bcs its either bring back an experienced military vet to continue the fight for 13 years or bring back a 15 year old with much much less experience, the choice is obvious. As for poisioning the soldiers and government, again theres alot of nuance to the civil conflict its seen the jagerists have been protesting for a long time and took no action until zacharys assassination, the government and soldiers clearly have ignored and even oppressed their own which is why they are no longer considered patriots or even their own people. They are traitors. Simple as that.

N-no.. he made people suffer because of his belief into eren aka killing 90+% of the world. Are you... a terrorist? Do you think mass genocide and torture is normal?

Eren was right bro

Yes it does work that way... for 100 years they were just too scared to fight back, then they did as revenge for what Eren did. That's literally how the real world works. No way you expected a happy, optimistic ending

Who is a bastardly fusion of Rudolph Hess and Heinrich Himmler in an anime format!

Eldia? Did you mean the SS State of Burgandy (Post-Rumbling) from TNO?

@@zz3167That would be the biggest plot twist.

Especially if you consider the fact that the initial attack on Paradis was unnecessary to say the least. They knew what could happen and that they wouldn’t use the rumbling for no reason. Marley declaring war on a nation and preparing for genocide without any diplomatic interactions leads no other alternative

1) The Rumbling was directed at the entire world rather than at the peoples responsible for the attack on Paradis. The whole world includes peoples sympathetic to Paradisians (of course they ceased to be sympathetic after Eren genocided their homelands and families). 2) The Rumbling was indiscriminate in who died or lived. Yes most peoples in AOT's world had intrinsic bias against eldians and especially paradisians, but having bias isn't justification to be brutally murdered especially given the circumstances of how these biases appear (constant brainwashing from infancy + never shown any reason to believe otherwise). 3) Over all the rest of the world was no different in moral character than pardisians. There were just as many assholes as there were good peoples proportional to the population. The difference is that they both had different degree of knowledge about the world around them. I'm not saying the intended genocide of Paradis by some of world's government is right, it's anything but and should have been fought against. But the total, full rumbling was never a good thing especially since it didn't happen after all other potential options were exhausted. People's cirticize others for taking the stance that "genocide is bad" (which it undeniably is unless you are a psycho) without providing solutions for Paradis to survive. So here's a possible step by step solution: 1) Instead of fighting against Mid East alongside Marley, strike an alliance with Mid East and save the day. Mid East are still very biased vs Eldians and Paradisians but it's a huge first step into proving to the world that Eldians aren't in fact devils. Open diplomatic channels with Mid East and the rest of the world. 2) Strike deals with as many peoples sympathetic to Eldian's cause as possible. Make contact with mainland Eldians in internment camps to prepare revolts within Marley and also coordinate forces between the island and mainlanders. Many eldians on mainland hate the islanders because they are also brainwashed like same as the rest of the world yet theres proof that some peoples (like eldians restorationists) went through the brainwashing. 3) Gain control of founder titan and commit a partial rumbling to destroy all Marleyans military infrastructure and research centers. Avoid killing surrendering or fleeing Marleyan troops so long as they drop weapons and cease fighting. 4) Occupy Marley and allow members of Anti Marleyan Alliance to reclaim their homeland. Maintain diplomatic channels. 5) Until Eren's death and passation of founding titan, keep transforming marleyan society into one that is tolerant of Eldians, where difference between Marleyans and Eldian is inexistant. After a single generation, hatred against eldians will dissipate. There will still be conflict but it will not be genocidal in nature and more about control of ressources. Four risks with my plan : 1) Eldia becomes just as bad as Marley (aka the old Eldian Empire is revived). Horrific and just pepetuate the circle but its still 1000 times better than global genocide 2) Founding Titan is assassinated. I think measures can be put in place to prevent this tho. Eren is not one to get murdered so easily, and next Founding titans can just hide amongst the population. 3) Other nations keep up technologically until they can nuke Paradis. Fair enough, but the whole point is to prove to the world that Eldians aren't devils and imo so long as diplomatic channels are opened the hatred for eldians will mellow out over little more than a single generation. If things really get out of hand you can just repeat a similar mini-rumbling against military infrastructure of hostile state and occupy their lands. 4) Successors to Eren don't follow his plans and either take unnecessary risks (see risk 2) or become tyrants (see risk 1), or are incompetent. Fair enough, this is the biggest risk and the mother of all other risks. I think that there are still ways to make sure that Eren's successors don't fuck up : rigorous training and teaching from childhood, instilling of powerful values and also strong circles of friends and councillors. Now you ask why take so much effort when "whole world wants them dead"? Because the world can change, because most peoples aren't given a fair amount of informations about Paradis (propaganda is a mitigating factor for someone's bigotry), because a better world can be achieved through these steps and because ultimately genocide, especially global genocide, is downright evil and unnecessary if such an option is available. The only possible reason Eren might have not taken this option is because of his "freedom" epithet.

I would want to see all yeaguerists and yeaguerist supporters to see the world after the rumbling, all ruins and giant burnt footprints. Also, accusing them of wanting revenge is what they did, taking revenge for Marley. Also, "Paradis could have peace"? With the rest of the world dead and those who don't surrender to their guns dead too? You're thinking of quiet, not peaceful (and it wouldn't happen quietly either).

@@Flochenjoyer How is that coping? The jaegerists way of doing things failed them.

@@Flochenjoyer They were eliminating more than just "the enemy". Marley was wrong to attack, because they did it to become an even more powerful nation using the propaganda from the Eldian Empire against people of the island.

@@Flochenjoyer 🤣🤣🤣 only the enemy but EVERYONE is the enemy. See the problem? That includes good innocent eldians. The Eldian Empire propaganda I was talking about was the Old Empire, as in "Marley used the history of the Old Empire to portray the island people as devils". So Marley was wrong to attack by saying the island people were as bad as the Eldian Empire. Although it seems you admit Floch lied to get people to do what he wanted, so I don't know how you justify that.

​​@@MikasaFindingAnotherManThe problem isn't the tactic but the attitude, Erwin doesn't seem like the kind of man who enjoys lying, besides, he was doing it to defeat the Titans and the corrupt government, not to kill civilians. This is what always happens when a group forms around a physical trait (being eldian), when one of them disagrees (the alliance) the people fighting for their "kind" (the jaegerists) want to punish him. So let's forget about good eldians or bad eldians cause Floch proves it doesn't matter. Even if you're eldian or not, he will kill all eldians he deems traitors.

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@@limbbo6530 there are 23 episodes in season 4 part 2 ?

@@goodman8469 this is ep 7 of part 2...but count as 23 if s4 part 1+part 2

Yes, his 3 minutes of screen time.

Ah yes let's just avoid the fact that the yeagerists were just recruits (who to be fair managed to take out the female and armored titan) who were up against battle hardened soldiers and 4 titan shifters. Tired of this plot armor saved alliance shit

@@danand75 It doesn't matter if you're a recruit or a veteran, it's literally impossible to dodge shots at close range, the alliance is only alive for the plot, no matter how many Yeagerists shot or attacked, none of them died, it's ridiculous

@@demitidodoitau4273 totally agree also its like you said a mute point if they were recruits or not which atleast floch rn is a vet he has been there for 4 years much longer than alot of the yeagerist still either way tho atleast ONE of the engineers should have been killed during that also sorta pissed that they made gabi an expert marksman more expereinced than most of the SOLDIERS doesnt matter if it was recruits or not they were still in much heavier training than gabi but they cant manage to hit a shot and gabi always hits her mark its alliance has plot armor thats all there is to it (i dont think i need to do this but a perfect example of plot armor in this video is at 15:47) explain how only yeagerists died there

@@demitidodoitau4273 it's interesting that no-one brings up plot armour or realsim in S2 when they fight kenny & the MPs - you know when they were even less experienced, & outnumbered by a much more skilled/experienced force. But yes now that they're killing genocidal militants lets care about realism

@@Montasir125 Well, some died, not important character of course but they encounter caualties against Kenny, . And its Livai who take most of them, Livai who's supposed to be an execption, and again the "good" side had loss. Here its just too much, the fact that not even a single ingeniors died is ridiculous.