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:) I need to make another one of these some day soon. I have combos I've been sitting on.

Oh, never noticed that lol.

Damn, Im a scrub.

Thank you. Its a really fun fight.

I am not sure on this. I haven't personally tested it. I do like to see the damage numbers before I ult it. If its like other animation cancels, you might just lose out of the damage if you cancel it too early. I really should consider ulting first, and using Yinlin's forte charge for a swap cancel with intro.

Thank you. I def got really lucky on the weapon. Think I got it in like 30 pulls. I wish you good luck on any pulls you decide to go for. 🙏

He is pretty fun.👍

Thank you! Glad you liked the run.

The holo fights are too fun.

It is likely that you are doing j.B too early. Against Arc, this combo is particularly hard, but it is hard in general. PCL does need to not be rising still when the j.B hits to have the time to land 5B. Getting the timing depends on the string of normals right before it, and there are some char specific green boxes that complicate this route more. You 2C, delay 3C some, but not a lot, because you want the rock to hit them as late as possible, so that you can jump up and delay j.B enough to get land 5B to connect. But you dont want to delay the 3C too little so the rock wiffs (as the opponent is lower with more delay between 2C and 3C), and not so late that you cant get j.B at the proper height because the rock hits too early. In other words, you need 2C delay 3C enough that the rock still hits, but not so much that it hits too early. You kinda want them to fall into the rock right before the tech window. I would really recommend a different route here. I was using this route in the past, but have since found more stable midscreen routes for j.B loops. Namely the j.B land 6B 2C routes. They are in my F-PCL Combo Optimization video. The j.B land 6B 2C ends up being a lot more stable on the whole cast because of the reduction of hit count, and therefore lower hitstun deterioration, making the B-Rock j.B link much easier. Hopefully this info makes sense and helps you out. Let me know if you have more questions.

@@XxTexasTimxX thank you so much for the help on this, I was actually experimenting with the timing of the delay 3C and noticed pretty much all the examples you gave of what happens afterward with the rock and figured that maybe it was just a really tight window to land the j.B and still have time to land the 5B after but wasn't too sure, spent way too many hours on this so thank you again! I'll definitely look at the other routes

@@XxTexasTimxX So I was able to perform the j.B loops more consistently thanks to your help! but I'm kind of stuck on landing the 2a pick up after j.236a~a as often. I do understand that I have to get AT low to the ground and then do delay j.236 a delay a. But specifically, how much delay do you want for the j.236 because I have tried to delay as much as I can but then once I do get the knockdown I still didn't recover fast enough. Or is it just a little bit of delay that needs to be applied? I have tried testing that but not even sure what specific part determines if pciel lands fast enough or just be a frame too slow to recover in time. I typically get it to work when I space out for a few seconds then once I realized I did it I don't delay 3B at the end and drop the combo in sadness 😅

@@shakugan6066 Its a hard link, for sure. For the j.236A~A you do need more delay before the j.236A and then less for the A follow up, but the windows for acceptable delay are not so strict. The delay is mostly so that PCL starts to fall a bit, putting her lower relative to the opponent, but not so low that you dont get 4 hits on the A follow up. Try to get the timing to where you see PCL start to fall, then the j.236A comes out. For the A follow up timing, any timing that gets you the 4 hits will work. I time the 2A link by sound. When I hear the opponent's 1st bounce, I press the 2A.

@@XxTexasTimxX oh okay I got it down now it was the little fall that I wasn't seeing, appreciate the help again man!

Indeed 👍

Its true. A lot of these holo fights have some rather harsh bugs that dictate a certain play style.

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Its mostly timing, but spacing can also determine if you can get behind the opponent. If the spacing allows for 623B to cross up, then the main timing key is delaying the jump cancel so the 623B's forward movement takes you cross up. There is a window for jump canceling the 623B, so if you delay too long you wont get a jump, or if it hits late in the active frames(like if they fall into the late active frames on a juggle), you might not be able to jump cancel with the right timing to get behind. Shortening the ground string so the 623B will always x-up and have a larger window to jump cancel while behind can help. For example, 2A 5B 5C 5A6AA 623B... Many players like to tk the 22 input, with 282, but I find that the input if done that way usually happens too fast, so you dont get enough delay. I personally use 8 252B to slow down the input enough to get proper delay. Using 2A 5B delay 2C 5C 623B is also a way to keep closer and get the spacing right. 5B delay C normal can be delayed quite a lot. Hopefully this makes sense and helps you out.

​@@XxTexasTimxXthat's awesome, will definitely help. Thanks a lot

Hey, glad you get some use out of this. Let me know if you have questions. Ill do my best to answer them. Enjoy the melty blood.

@@XxTexasTimxX thanks a lot man, i'll let you know if i need help

I like AACC warc more, but it has less to do with the char differences and more to do with the system differences.

Hey there. Sure, Ill try and answer. Hopefully it makes sense, but if you have more questions after, feel free to ask. So for 1, to get the hj.C timing, there's a couple things to make tighter. after BE6C 5C, hitting the rising j.B faster, so the opponent and Warc are lower, can help. Then after that, the 6AB into j.B j.C land, a sight delay between the j.B(1) and the j.C will put Warc even lower. So less fall time after the j.C hits, and you get into landing recovery faster the lower Warc is. For 2, this one can be a bit tricky. I find it easier to do the input as BE6C into 9 then 252B. I time it so the 9 and the 1st 2 inputs are buffered in the BE6C hit, but the timing for this input is actually tighter, timing wise, than the next option. A more lenient buffer, but arguably harder input to execute, is to use 2582B, where you time it so the 258 is buffered in during the BE6C hit. If you are waiting for the wall slam before you try to do the j.22B input, then you are likely too slow, even if you get the mystic eyes at the right height to connect. and if you are too slow to get the 22B after the jump, then she could end up doing the mystic eyes too high to hit the opponent. Edit: If you are getting a super jump or ahigh jump here doing 282 or misinputting 292, then try 272, since that input cannot high jump or super jump at all. Hopefully this info is useful. Let me know if you need more help. Good luck. 👍

@@XxTexasTimxX thanks!

Hey thanks! Hope you enjoy the game. If you have any questions about F-Warc things, or general melty things, let me know.

The air throw not working? No, it was every char, and all air throws in the game that werent working. They fixed it in one of the hotfixes for the beta, so it wont be this way in the main game when they release v1.3.x. So air throws are mostly working fine now. They also changed Ayame's falling hurtbox to be like the rest of the cast, so 2M juggles work on her now.

Yeah the combos are hella fun. Balance will eb and flow. I just feel like there were so many people complaining about her that if I dont actually demonstrate my counter opinion that she'll just get left like this. These are just some of the examples from what I think is her worst match up. Its funny too, since the 1.3.0 beta dropped, like half the JP posts on their twitter is comments about how weak she is now.

oh nice. hope you enjoy the game. Yeah this vid is very old now. I made it to help out a buddy of mine who was looking to learn this char.

Its def too much. Every char has good tools. She needs strong tools to compete. Im not sure why they nerfed EVERY good tool she had, and nerfed them this hard.

They nerfed a bit more than intended lol. Botan wasnt even functional for a bit there.

No :)

yeah losing j.2H is rough. I'm not sure what the button is even suppose to be used for now.

😅 Nah, thats totally normal... for fighting game players.

Oh that is her 3H.

@@XxTexasTimxX Ah... I see. Thanks!

Well I agree that you prolly shouldnt be able to act after 236S, and that other hits, like collabs that were active before the 236S, or other projectiles, should not allow the opponent to tech mid 236S, this whole reset and unscale relies entirely on them choosing to tech. Otherwise, she gets the Mio 214D into like dash 5L 5M(2)M into possibly a 214M or 236L at only the propper reverse proration that 236S gives, which is back upto .40 and goes down as soon as the Mio 214D hits.

yes, i can. i didnt see anything about that being changed.

She seems like the kind of char thats really simple to pick up and effective at a basic level. I bet people find really good answers for her kit before long.

lol hardly. my execution is utter shit.

Yeah, she has some high damage from M starters. Its about 100 less damage for L starters, and 150 less for LL starters.

I barely play this game since I suck at playing fighting games, but for what I've seen she needs a little bit of a nerf.

its called idol showdown, is free on steam. someone made a hololive fighter lol. looks pretty fun combo wise, but its more like sf on movement.

@@XxTexasTimxX yay my broke ass got a new game to try, thx Tim

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oh nice. didnt realize it had dmrcreate built into the site.

Glad ppl still find these useful. :) Happy training.