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Thanks! I hope to put out a thoughts video once I have time in Savage. Overall thoughts with the recent balance changes are, its a really strong job and has its old busted healing kit along with some new tools. The new cards aren't interesting as you just end up not needing them and overwriting them most of the time. But if you liked astro for its healer toolkit its still fun for that regard and keeps me playing it. I feel like the card system is half-baked and they arent even sure themselves what to do with it. Should be a very comfy healer to prog on now that draw is 55sec and 2 lightspeed charges.

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it's hard to say what the math comes out to be, consider that its raid buff counterpart SCH also got Chain Strategem up to 20 seconds (raid buffs across the board are up to 20). But yes in a vacuum thats 6% dps on all members for roughly 2 more gcds and a few ogcds. We have oracle for more burst but 1 less card (only looking at 2 min window). The other concern is forced melee card first which sucks in certain comps and can't find double melee card. Anyways... it gets complicated fast haha

we might be getting some of that identity back/further identity starting sometime at or after 7.2 according to recent interviews. Just gotta wait it out and hope for the best!

@@slicedpie that would be awesome, but imo they should have done it right in 7.0. And now there is a healer strike in the horizon.

@@juliocenteno981 haha I saw, and they definitely should have

The thing I do like about it is you do not always use Neutral Sect, so it makes that button useable even in the times you wont be GCD healing. But generally I agree, its generic, havent really thought about what it could be replaced with.

Oh and the doublecast system could be really interesting I agree, I do think its unique and can be taken in some interesting directions that fit PvE.

Also bummed from what we see here overall. If fight design demanded these healing tools I would be more open to it but regardless, less nuance and interesting optimization like we had in Shb/EW imo

@@slicedpie I would love that! But seeing the first dungeon cleared without healer by just mouse clicking abilities and not really dodging aoes...... Well we'll still see, it's just a dungeon, but my hopes are Low

Great point on Gravity becoming a loss on 2, I didn't even think about that. I believe WHM already had a loss on it and Sage and SCH still have a gain on 2. Yeah it is all a big if on how impactful the new card setup will be. I do also hate the flexibility loss of having forced melee card first in the burst windows (delaying it to catch all of SAM burst too). I guess itll be fun to optimize for your particular comp but im not sure how i feel fully yet. Give us more to heal pleaseeeee LS is a DPS gain of course but it'll feel less bad to put into other windows of time for movement and potential DPS gain from lack of malefic casts, especially while progging and also the flexibility of emergency faster rez if needed.

I am glad to hear it you are liking the changes!! I am still skeptical on how itll feel but I don't plan on leaving AST. I also love the aoe heal setup for fights, its one of my favorite parts of AST, helps to discuss with your cohealer and all that good stuff for sure. hope you enjoy!

@@slicedpie I'm definitely glad they didn't make it a two draws sharing a cooldown thing like I was worried about before 😂 I'm excited to plan out the job this expac. I hope you enjoy it as well ☺️

On Spawn and Respawn, Astral set will already be drawn and ready to go with Umbral ready to draw whenever correct. Use both DPS cards at opener. At 1 minute use the Astral draw but do not use the DPS card. Use it the weave or anytime before you Umbral draw at the 2 minute and repeat. So effectively the Astral card will be ready to go pre-openers and reopeners with Umbral drawn during them.

So realistically this doesn’t solve any of AST issues, you’re still trying to force as much of your damage cards under buffs. I think you’ve done a fantastic explanation on things and I’ve been an AST main the past two expansions, but these changes just feel out of touch with those that play the job. I do look forward to how you suggest how changes should go. I think button bloat is a hugggee problem. I think benefic 1/benefic 2 should go away and shift aspected benefic just be your starting healing ability. Also the added mention of synastry being useless especially with the new card changes just get rid of it.

Yeah the bloat is definitely not that much better if at all. Our healing toolkit is crazyyy and we just got more tools with the cards so the question is why? I want to see how the first savage floor goes before really being critical about it but I will continue to be skeptical. As for the card issue during burst. You should always have both 1 melee and 1 ranged card during burst windows. This is because when you spawn in the Astral cards are drawn and the Umbral draw is off CD so you can use it within the burst window to pull the ranged card and use it as well. This continues forward with pulling Astral at 1 min, saving it for 2 and drawing Umbral again at 2 to use the DPS card for it again. So the classic 3:1:3 cadence of card buffs we have now just turned into 2:0:2 with both cards being 1 of each. Yeah we will see with potencies and all that once we can get some raid data in. It feels like we are missing out on a bit but we also have the increased Div duration by 5 seconds which adds a little bit as well.

@@slicedpie AH! Thanks for clarifying on Astral/Umbral draw! That's better than I thought! :) I agree about being skeptical about the need for SO much healing...

hahaha, no problem, more vids coming soon!

I wish balance and spear were diff. like one was raw dmg boost, one was crit or dh like in stormblood. and I wish there was an mp regen card like there used to be that we could use on us or give out to co heal, caster, etc.

@@se_xyprincess I agree something a bit more interesting would be cool. I could definitely see a use for an MP card instead of the one with HP regen as an example. we have too many single target healing tools and that would be one way they could give us MP regen that we lost with Astrodyne. I do wonder if they are worried about the balance of that since no other healer can provide MP (if they implemented this) but who knows

I would like to believe that and hope so as that makes the game fun for tanks, healers, and anyone contributing to mit planning. We will see how the first savage tier goes

I think this is a really cute idea. The only problem is with current culture and game balance, will it be expected that you always use the effect that equals more damage? This would be nice to have the flexibility for those tough sections where the utility saves the party or what not, but I can see this system being frowned upon if not handled correctly. and thanks for the compliment! :)

I think it's just an oversight or not on the media tour version of the game, should be getting something else or else we will be using lots of Piety haha

glad you are! I am cautiously optimistic, I think it can be improved upon and I have ideas to "fix" the Endwalker version id sooner rather see but I will take what I get and make it work regardless

that's very sweet, thank you and hope you enjoy future content!

Depends what aspect looks fun to you. I enjoy it now and even if aspects I like are going to be gone, I still think I will have fun with it.

Correct, this is the current assumption but we are lacking critical information (whether or not you can choose the order of casting play 1-3, since the trailer shows the same order both times) lord and lady (play 4) will most definitely be a separate button as it is now, given they did Lord last in the 1st set and Lady first in the 2nd set.

@@slicedpie so in essence astrodyne, undraw, redraw, sleeve draw, draw and play into possibly Draw deck 1, draw deck 2, and how ever many play slots

this would then beg the question, what do these cards do? not sure why we would want a "curative" card you can only use on a healer when everyone else takes equal or more damage. Unless the curative effect is MP regen in which case I could see it. interesting thought!! we will have to wait and see haha

@@slicedpie I have a feeling they are going to revert back to something similar to what the cards did in Heavensward; although, not precisely. I don't think the "heal" card will actually heal. Some guesses I have for it are: MP regeneration, decreased MP cost, increased casting speed, decreased cool down time, increased outgoing healing, etc. If you aren't familiar with what the cards did in Heavensward, here is an old picture that vaguely describes each: external-preview.redd.it/Oh8-Jr-JCvW3dalhH7MluxWZSSNktofWv6qVokMt3D8.jpg?auto=webp&s=4b071454d6f7c54ae3f2d989350d379a58fdace8

I like the idea for Ewer and/or Spire but once again that goes along with your concern of too many healing tools where it becomes not necessary 99% of the time. If fight design demanded the healing going forward this would be nice. I can definitely see them giving one of them a MP HoT due to the fact we are losing a lot of mana gain from Astrodyne, this just has the added flexibility of being able to give someone else mana too which is really cute. Arrow being a targeted mit could be VERY strong, but we do see them target players with all 6 cards during the trailer so unless it changes, I don't think that's their plan. IF they did go down the line of being able to cast cards on the buff as a debuff sometime in the future, we could even see like a mini-version of Chain Strategem or Mug, but maybe just 1 or 2% (this being on a Spear). I don't like this too much because it removes decision making for who to give your single target card buff too but its just a random idea.

@@slicedpie An alternative I thought of for Arrow could be movement speed increase, so single target expedient to help someone dodge something. Keeps it in the same vein as its old design with it being a speed buff without people getting mad about rotation alignment. :D It is hard to think of things that are varied but don't counteract other peoples jobs. Like original Spear reducing cooldown timers is amazing, but it would probably just mess up peoples burst alignments unless coordinated well. And now that you mention it, you're right about keeping the cards focussed on players. I was trying to think of more variety but now I agree it should stay as player buffs.

Yay, I called it - kind of. The new card effects are a little safe but I was along the right lines! Now I hope they bring back some of the time mage essence of Astro in the next expac to interplay with the cards. They said they are aiming to bring back "job flavour" in next expac so it's not out of the realm of possibility.

while their might be 3 play buttons we are losing Redraw and Minor Arcana buttons. Draw could just turn into playing lady/lord, Play would be Play 1, Redraw into Play 2, and Minor Arcana into Play 3

@@slicedpie Ohhhh I didn't realize. That would be perfect

@slicedpie Ohh nice, this has alleviated some of my concern as a controller player. I want AST back as my main healer so badly. I mained is since it dropped in HW but dropped it in EW.

@@riry0ku I hope we all enjoy the new AST!! My only concern for controller players if you have so many play buttons as another controller player pointed out in the comments; if you use macros to target each person individually for the "play" ability, you need a lot more macros for so many "play" buttons now. will have to figure out a workaround or do it more manually going forward potentially. I dont personally play on controller but wish you guys the best!

As far as we can tell, yes for the most part. If lightspeed stays and it would seem it isn't necessary for the 2 minute window, that ability is very strong for movement.

haha I understand the sentiment, I don't think that is ever happening again, Divination already fills that role and the old cards dont work for current design, would need a major rework

@@slicedpie people may disagree with me but divination is kinda boring and the cooldown + buff duration feels more sparse. I love the satisfaction from spread balance, I worked hard for that!

@@polydipsiac i agree, and i bet many would agree as well, the issue is it realistically won't change because that's just how all raid buffs work now. at least with some of the other buffs they come with something else attached (notably off the top of my head; DNC, RPR, MNK all provide some sort of resource and BRD has a similar system to old Divination with seals just without the RNG). Maybe div could give us some sort of interesting buff or interaction but I think it'll just be that new 2min spender like SCH and WHM have realistically speaking.

that's something I would not have ever noticed haha, now im gonna go back and dissect it looking for this stuff hey speculation is really fun! we will have to wait and see

hmmm you may be right, it could be or not related to the neutral sect, maybe that also got changed i am unsure...

yeah i totally get it, I dont play on controller but i feel you on that. macros is definitely viable, no reason to listen to what others say if it works for you. even if there are 3 different play buttons we should be losing astrodyne and redraw. they could combine drawing all 4 cards into playing lord or lady, the old play is just play 1, and then the buttons you used for astrodyne and redraw are play 2 and play 3. goodluck!!

The issue is so I have eight separate macros for the cards to each member of the party and if there ends up being three separate cards to play, I can't place 24 play macros, it's just not viable

@@Xilibrius oh yeah I am dumb, didn't think of it in that sense. yeah I am no controller expert so not entirely sure the best course of action for it. maybe it would be nice to have a button like redraw but instead its just cycling through your 3/4 cards as a selection mechanism, and then 1 play button that plays whatever card selected? but that would require SE to make it that way unless you can mod that somehow

that's an interesting idea, how do you think it might effect the differences in the cards if at all?

We need to see what the cards do first. If the cards get their old flavour back, I think it could be a nice revert but without the RNG. I still miss being shield astro though big time. I know people meme'd on it which is hilarious since now double shield is the best combo.

@@riry0ku its already been stated: one curative one dps one defensive. No rng always the same 3.

@@michealwatts7469 They can have the same overall purpose - dps, defence or healing - while still having different effects. I posted a longer comment on the video with some ideas of how I'd like the cards to be if you fancy reading it.

@@riry0ku Ill check it Im personally not expecting anything, I hope its not what I think it is (the actual design)

thank you!! happy you enjoyed it! :)

or at the very least make the disparity between the potency of the gcd and without the gcd less drastic i suppose. I do enjoy the time mage aspect of it being a heal that goes off in 30 seconds, fun to plan out timing it

I hope drawing each deck is it's own separate cooldowns, for you astro players.

haha that's fair. it would be nice if in turn the dps buff card was maybe stronger or at least acted differently in this case. also the flexibility is nice in prog scenarios to have some more easy heals or in some micro optimized situations where lady can save you a gcd heal. but yeah..... who knows

@@slicedpie Oh I super agree. I like having a nuke heal when star and CO don't line up or aren't enough. Fingers crossed for the updates. Also, didn't say this before but this was a great video and I'm excited to subscribe as an AST main o7

@@cordrac Thank you!! will be putting out more as the expansion comes around

Yes its just like Aetherflow, but less flexible. Seems like Astro just keeps losing flavor every expansion... I hope the other changes add something interesting.

'Resources'. My guy we didn't get "resources", we got some generic AF cooldowns.

yeah that is definitely and interesting way to look at it. The lack of flexibility for what the cards actually do (the utility ones) is concerning but I guess only time will tell

Yeah that could definitely be possible. If that is how it is, I wonder why make the 2 damage cards (presumably the ones on the left of the three) both the old melee cards. That gives me doubts about it but who knows, could also just not be the damage cards. will have to wait and see i guess

​@slicedpie Because this set up aligns with original astro where balance/spear were dps buffs, bole was a defence buff and spire/ewer were regenerative. The only outlier is arrow which used to be skill speed increase but they've used it here as the remaining defence card.

@@riry0ku oh that's a good point I didn't really think about. I do wonder if each effect will be different (will the "regenerative" effect be one for HP and one for MP as an example)

hoping for that as well! Thank you for the kind words!! you can expect more astro content in the coming months for sure

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