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@@kelvingraced : When we were children we didn’t fixate on judgments about a positive or negative world yet there was an abundance of joy, delight, wonder, adventure, excitement, magic. It’s our jobs to recover this “Kingdom” which is what spiritual work is all about.

@TheSoulProponent when I was a child I always wondered why all the adults had to slave away, why my parents were never there. Now I understand that the realm we are born into dictates this.

@ The issue is not that there is a negative realm but that we are stuck with it, fixated on trying to resolve it, rejecting it, wishing it were different. We’re obsessed, dominated, attached. Spiritual awakening, liberation and opening to the truth that sets us free is our work.

@TheSoulProponent I get it bro, I have kids of my own, we have to be light that world needs but we cannot deny what this place is

@ Right. One of the first steps is to be aware of our conscious and unconscious efforts to deny, reject and resign. We’re often stuck in the negativity thinking it’s the end of the story but I propose it’s just the beginning.

@@deshonberkel4519 : Hi sweetheart. Yes it’s embedded in our unconscious memory. Love is one aspect of truth but we also need clarity, value, justice, compassion, wisdom, etc. The words only point symbolically to that which defines us. You have 5 and a half dimensions, LOL 😆. Love you💕

@@Culturecrack Hello. How are you? I’m trying to provide ways of moving through the gap, or more accurately allow the gap to move through us…

Preciate the look 👀!

The truth sets us free it doesn’t make us more attached to Jesus.

I’ve witnessed the impossible happen with my own eyes, we are full of SIN and God sent down his only begotten son to come down as a perfect human to die for our sins, he loved us so much. If salvation was already there, then God would be talking to us all everyday and spreading love and the world would have been full of love and not hate, like how you see this world atm :/

I used to believe similar but had a spiritual awakening. Christianity doesn’t have the whole story and it’s not literal. God is real but it’s not all what Christianity has made it to be. Salvation is already here. The path is a deductive process to undo our attachments and realize the truth that sets us free.

@@nickisntreal Our idea of a perfect world doesn’t actually exist in reality. We would need to drop them because they’re attachments which go against the truth that sets us free. Appeasing an angry God with blood sacrifice never worked and never will. It’s not in accord with reality and is therefore not truth. What it represents is the human soul which is one and the same as God. The sacrifice is our own because we need to give up our attachments and our attachment to the need to always be attached. Yes we have sin but that is not our major characteristic. It does not define us.

@@TheSoulProponent the human soul is not the same as God. I was going to add more but I'll just ignore this channel. Dont spread more nonsense.

@@ukishibushi : Then why is the soul born pure of a virgin, miraculous, buried and rejected yet lives forever? Also FYR my channel is for those who want to find out for themselves.

Yea but you actually hear from God as a Christian, my family members are catholic and think it’s work based or “everyone will make it” but it’s really just Jesus, BECAUSE God sent down a sacrifice for our sins because the proce of one sin is DEATH. Look I’ve never seen miracles happen with any other religion but Christianity, (which isn’t even a religion)

People are out here lying

@@nickisntreal first what you are stating here is according to bronze age storytelling/writings and we all have that little voice in our heads that is part of our conscience but there is no proof that voice is god. Secondly, what miracles have you been a witness to and do you have proof of said miracles?

How are things?

Thanks for the feedback. That’s one way to see it but I don’t. Spirituality is on-going because truth never ends. Science is trying to get to an end which is to find answers. That causes attachments and fixations. Spirituality is about letting go of such attachments and fixations. Science can help but we need to account for unconscious subjectivity such as the motivation for science in the first place. Why is it good to look for answers? Is that objective? What is the reason we use science to look for truth? And also science is based on concepts and ideas that only exist in our minds like time, logic, reason, laws, human rights, morals, values, and identity.

@@TheSoulProponentthanks for your reply, I like conversating this subject. It gives people the chance to hear some else perspective. I don't see science as trying to get to an end, the whole notice of "I don't know" will always be and that is the driving force behind science and even when science come to an answer that is sufficient the community tries to push even further. Now from my perspective religion is comes with attachments, fixations, and end results in the form of god/jesus. If you ask most christians how the universe came to be most will answer with god. If you ask most christians how life began they will answer with the creation story. If you ask most christians what happens when we die they will answer with some here after of some sort. Those are examples of end logic, and fixation and the whole jesus will save us is very much an attachment. I think that science was produced out of curiosity to answer question that we felt that religion didn't answer.

@@kelvinhooks9399 : Yes mostly true if we’re talking about traditional Christianity. Some people have moved past that but most have not. What we need to do is examine why we are trying to find answers in the first place whether through science or religion. What matters is our attitude towards the search. If we’re coming from attachments and fixations and the need to find pleasure and avoid pain then the truth will not set us free. Science doesn’t address this much. It doesn’t account for the unconscious subjective filters of the identity such as belief in time. Time is something that doesn’t actually exist in reality. It’s just a concept. That doesn’t mean it’s not useful but if the truth sets us free then at some point it will have to go.

@@TheSoulProponent exactly! There is a very limited field of science that study the field on of the human conscience, belief, and things that are not of the physical world and I can also agree on how some of the religious community is moving away from some traditions. I was just having a conversation with some work associates about how we as humans created constructs that otherwise would not have value or be very meaningful and time is definitely a man made construct. I hope you put out more content, I will be sure to like, share, and subscribe.

@@kelvinhooks9399 : I appreciate the feedback and the honest conversation. Your input is definitely a welcome addition!

So do you admit one of the qualities of God is mystery and the existence of the unknown? Why isn’t that evidence that there is a source to such mystery and the unknown? Do you honestly think it comes from nowhere? I’m not saying you have to agree there is a God based on this information but there is a possibility. This channel is to assist those who want to learn to know for themselves. There is a price and I’m not talking about money.

@TheSoulProponent "do you admit one of qualities of god us mystery and the existence of the unknown?" I have no idea what it means for the quality of something to be the "existence of the unknown." Likewise, mystery is simply an absence of knowledge. It is ignorance. If you want to define your god as human ignorance, I fully agree. "Why isn't that evidence that there is a source of that mystery and the unknown?" First you defined your god as having the quality of mystery and the unknown. Now you want to define it as the source of mystery and the unknown. Your level of consistency could not even survive one sentence. Amazing. "But there is a possiblity." You have not at all shown that your god is even possibly the source of anything.

@@lhvinny : Not my job but the job of the person wanting to walk the path to find out the truth for for themselves. I’m not trying to define what is undefinable I’m pointing out effects, characteristics, attributes. The reason there is ignorance and not knowing is because the identity of ego personality is erased. That’s not something to be ashamed of, something to be avoided, something to be treated as negative; it’s something to be understood. The mystery of the unknown is an effect of what we call God just like a falling apple is an effect of what we call gravity.

I’m just giving hints. The evidence most people are looking for is an experience of spiritual awakening which no one can give to another person. However, the fact there is a path that will lead to such spiritual awakening can be interpreted as evidence but who is willing to walk that path in order to experience it and how far are they going to go to do it?

@@TheSoulProponent your version of hints is very poor reasoning and nonsequitors.

@@lhvinny : The effects of God are evidence for God just like the effects of gravity are evidence for gravity.

@TheSoulProponent Pretending that God is like gravity is hillairious. I can show gravity working. I can make testable predictions of how gravity works that are verifiable and repeatable by anyone. We have laws of physics that accurately measure gravity. We have a theory of gravity that models its behavior with novel, testable, predictions. Worst of all, for your position, gravity is within the realm of the rational. Your path and god have none of these. You cannot show me your god actually doing anything.

@@lhvinny : Wrong. All you can do is test the effects of gravity but that is not the same thing as gravity itself. So if you take the effects of gravity to be evidence for its existence then you also must take the effects of God to be evidence for its existence too. We have infinity and eternity manifested in space. We have mystery, miracles, and oneness as well.

The qualities of a God are required for spiritual awakening. What do you think is the source of such qualities?

@@TheSoulProponent So those who have had a spiritual awakening that includes learning that your god is fake would still be sourced on your god?

@@lhvinny : Spiritual awakening is learning that your identity is fake. I’ll leave it to each individual to decide what is the source of spiritual awakening for themselves.

Rational thinking is good and has its place but we won’t experience the truth that sets us free if we’re attached to it.

@TheSoulProponent On the contrary, dealing with the rational is exactly how we determine truth from fantasy. But, of course, the irrational would think truth is found in the irrational.

@@lhvinny : Attachment to rationality is not the path. Also please give us an alternative to the two answers about whether the universe is eternal or came from nothing.

@TheSoulProponent "attachment to rationality is not the path." It might not be your path. Some of us are aware of the harms caused by irrational thought. The most obvious alternative is "the universe came from something," and as long as that something is not a god, atheism is maintained.

@@lhvinny : And how can you experience the truth that sets you free if you’re attached to maintaining there is no God? Attached to rationality? Attached to your identity of being an atheist? Attached to attachment itself?

@@TheSoulProponent Then you are not talking about anything existent, but a concept of some sort. Which begs the question as to why given the inherent vaguery to vacuousness inherent to what is being presented?

@@TheSoulProponent Are you conflating the term soul with consciousness or existence? Remember concepts do not exist, but a descriptive - which may describe something which is existent.

@@TheSoulProponent Ego and personality are concepts descriptive of aspects of our brain in operation. So, you are talking about aspects of our cognitive processes -correct? If so, what is "God"? Give something that shows something otherwise there is in fact a placeholder with no meaning in the context of reality.

@@TheSoulProponent Let me be a bit clearer... Things have a set of inter linkages that can be shown such that there are particulars that can be known within the context of what is observed. These demands inherent to the observed linkages allow various conclusions within the observed dataset. We can say things such as pigs can't fly and more due to such observed linkages linkages. Absent any point of an observed linkage, there are only ascribed notions. So, are you just ascribing a notion to reality? Or is there substantiation for what are claiming? Or are you simply conjuring another notion without substantiation?

@@TheSoulProponent If you cannot show what you are talking about, then the term God is pragmatically fiction and thus worthless as a point of exchange. We are all inherently limited by our current level of ignorance and more. Ego is a concept regarding aspects of our brain in operation. Thus, we are inherently limited regardless of our emotional state. I would grant that emotionally the idea of being unconstrained may feel good, but that is a falsehood. In the absence of consciousness, the claim of any experience is moot. So, are you advocating loss of consciousness as a means of eliminating suffering? Further, it doesn't seem to be the case that suffering in a cognitive sense can be eliminated without creating a virtual construct that is unknown to the individual.

Are you seriously trying to use the "stop thinking so much" argument? Honestly? Just stop thinking and believe blindly because it feels good? That's what you're going with?