Thanks for the confirmation.. the Thieaudio Oracle 2 is easily the best IEM that Thieaudio has to date. It has the things that great about monarch and original Oracle and yet corrects both flaws from the lack to sub bass and treble extension on the first Oracle to the weight,bulk, and lack of comfort, and veiled signature of the monarch 2.
I got issues with ear shape, my channels are very tight, so basically only xs xelastecs or actually small foams from etymotic work for me. Any recommendations for sound similar-ish to monarch mk2 with this caveat? I do like analytical presentation, less colored, neutral tuning, and not laid-back in some sort of sense? Strongly hate sibilants though.
You could try the IE600, they aren't sibilant IMO, but they aren't close to Monarch MKII's performance IMO. Moondrop Aria and Kato, EJ07M w/ Resin chassis are also comfortable universal IEMs. If you are willing to try customs, then Hidition Viento-B would be a great option for neutral and detailed.
Monarch MKII, but the bass is nice on Mest MKII. Both are quite uncomfortable universal IEMs, but Mest MKII CIEM would give you excellent comfort if that's important to you. ThieAudio still does not offer Monarch MKII as a CIEM.
As someone who tried both of these on a DX320 and sp2000t, I have to say Monarch MKII is the real deal. It scales sooooo much higher rivaling true high end IEMs demoed at CanJam. Way more authority and detail.
I liked the Monarch MKII more for female vocals and realistic imaging. As for timbre both have their strengths, but honestly Monarch MKII is probably the better IEM for most in terms of overall SQ.
hello ! what the best iem you recommend that you can wear for long period of time ? I would like to buy the monarch but i'm someone who listen to music h24 so the comfort is important 😄
CIEMs if budget isn't an issue. If it is, then IE600, Moondrop Aria and Kato, EJ07M w/ Resin chassis. Those are the most comfortable universal IEMs IMO.
Hi good review. I had original EJ07 and sold it after getting Dunu SA6 but miss the DD punch and bass I was looking for Monarch MKii but do you think EJ07M are better option. Thanks 🙏
Can you do a comparison of the Variations vs Sennheiser ie600? Closer in price range and ie600 looks t be more comfortable. The only question left is the sound...
tnx for video 🙏🏻 this video helped me get a better understanding of the Monarch Mk2 as well as the xenns up !! but what i really want is a combination of the two!!! that is, i want an earphone that has the bass power of xenns up & midrange & details like Monarch Mk2 !!!!!! can you introduce me an earphone with these specifications? in sub-bass, bass , midrange, treble like perfect, in fact, I'm looking for a complete & perfect earphone
I liked it a lot, it has significantly less bass and is more neutral, but it has an impressive soundstage and incredible detail. Probably my favorite instrument separation so far. The issue I had was comfort; even with several third-party tips, I could not get a perfect fit and got soreness with IER-M9 after 2-3 hours of wearing. U12T was better for me in that regard, but soon I should have some custom IEMs. Fingers crossed, that finally solves my ear aches.
I'm enjoying my Timeless a lot never heard anything like it. Too much of details just gorgeous. Can't imagine how can it get better for 5x the price definitely not 5x better not even 3x I suppose.
I have owned odin, u12t, and mest ii among other cheaper($500-1k) ones. Trust me timeless is a good place to stop unless you are 110% comfortable spending 1k+ on iems.
The Timeless are superb but on oh, sooo many tracks vocals are some weird kind of...shouty? Like there's too much 'air' in them? I mean you can *feel* the vocals viscerally against yr ear, not just hear their sound? Anyone else know what i mean? Seems quite a real flaw...maybe get better with time?
@@lightweed Exactly. Even I got that problem just yesterday. And for me its only in left ear. Is is for you too only one ear? Also same thing mostly in some songs. Billie Eilish very low voice has 0 probs. DOn't know should I use my warranty or not(as not every song and also have to ship it myself). The problem is on anything now and I clearly remember that it wasn't there for so many days. I have found a forum reply by some guy facing same prob.
@@datdudeinred that weird pressure you feel from the vocals, right? The moment those vocals become more forcible or intensified? So 7hz.. or maybe Linsoul is it? - haha can't recall right now from which dealer i ordered mine ! - say they will replace but return shipping must be paid for. From where i live, that means over fifty bucks postage. Aiiiyeee! SUCH a tough decision! One can only wonder how the replacement would sound....so much audio wonderfulness, spoiled by that one crazy feature!
Hey, so just a little tip to help with the weight of the monarch cable, they make iem cable clips that clip on to your shirt, clothes, etc. They are very handy.
That's tough, they are both fantastic IEMs. I think if comfort s important to you, the 64 Audio UT12T would have an advantage, additionally you'd be buying a brand that has less cases of driver failure (but ThieAudio isn't bad in this regard, just slightly worse than 64Audio).
Awesome comparison!! A quick question: How does the Monarch MK2 compare to the EJ07M in terms of resolution/imaging? Wondering which one I should get for vocals/mids/bands/acoustics since the EJ07M is $500 right now. Merry Christmas and happy holidays! Keep up the great work 👍
It's like 90% there. EJ07m has less detail and it has smoother treble. I think both sound nice for acoustics. But keep in mind the non-custom EJ07M is metal not resin so that may affect comfort. If you have the money and don't care about comfort then Monarch MKII is worth the price, but custom EJ07M is my go to IEM as it's comfortable and sounds pleasant. It's a good all rounder iem.
Hello, I have these on the way, I am a newbie in the world of IEMs. Do you think these will be driven fully by the new Fiio UTWS5? Or should i go with the Hidizs s9 pro and guarantee better sound quality over convenience?
I checked Fiio's site and I cannot find any mention of that amp. I think you would be fine though with most DAPs and portable amps over $100 but if you find it isn't getting loud enough for is lacking you could add an attenuator like Ifi's iEMatch, as that's what I use when I want to use my Switch or a dongle with a phone. For DAPs I like my M3x, it's tuned well enough for me, that being said a buddie of mine on Discord likes his S9 Pro, but I believe he upgraded to a iFi xDSD Gryphon. Recently a person on Linsoul's discord was quite vocal about his love of Qudelix 5K, but I don't have any experience with that product so :/.
I paid $571, but I bought during 11.11/Black Friday sale so I believe it's normally $669 but I'll edit my comment and update this if it's cheaper. I reached out to Shuoer from Linsoul's discord to get the custom EJ07M and pay direct to Shuoer.
@Behind The Decks Entertainment - Shuoer offers custom shell and custom fit/CIEM (ear impressions molded to IEM etc) if that's your goal. I went for customized resin shell personally since I disliked the heavier metal shell the OG EJ07M uses, additionally I have zero discomfort with the resin EJ07M even though it's not molded to my ears via ear impressions. It is still a custom shelled IEM though.
@@tcc5750 Hello, which one is better, Sony IER-Z1R or Monarch Mk2? and What do you think about Moondrop S8? I havent unboxed it because should I upgrade to Sony IER-Z1R or Monarch Mk2? Thank you
Good round-up, personally driving the Blessing 2 right now and was planning to upgrade to Variations/Monarch Mk I/Monarch Mk II. Missed the chance to demo the Monarch Mk II a couple of weeks ago and I regretted it, well in the flipside, I got to listen to a bit of the U12t and they're damn amazing. 2k bucks is too much tho for me. Have you tried the Monarch Mk I? I'm wondering if I could get pretty much the Mk II experience through Mk I with EQ
I haven't tried Monarch MKI in a while, but based on the graphs and memory the sub-bass is a little more elevated on Monarch MKI but MKII has more elevated mid-bass. The MKII has slighter more elevated mids as well, but MKI has a stronger upper-midrange. In terms of sound the MKII sounds a little more airy/pronounced in treble so a little brighter, but both are not shouty/overly bright IEMs. I think MKII is generally a more refined version than MKI, but both are excellent IEMs. If you can handle B2's weight and thicc nozzle you should be able to handle Monarch's with ease. Variations is a great IEM for the price, but it has less midrange focus (almost recessed mids) than the Monarch, so Variations may be a deal-breaker depending on the music you listen to.
I ended up selling Variations, but I will have to look into those eartips for the Monarch and other IEMs I own ;). Thank you for the suggestion and for watching.
How do you feel about this comparison in 2023?
Thanks for the confirmation.. the Thieaudio Oracle 2 is easily the best IEM that Thieaudio has to date. It has the things that great about monarch and original Oracle and yet corrects both flaws from the lack to sub bass and treble extension on the first Oracle to the weight,bulk, and lack of comfort, and veiled signature of the monarch 2.
oracle > oracle 2
Why don't these iem manufacturers actually design iems for human ears?
Lol
I have the same DAP what number is yours? Mine's number 57. Cheers m8
Please do more IEM videos man, I really like your style of review!
Scusa sono italiano quindi non capisco ma c'è tanta differenza tra i due modelli ? Possiedo le variations vale la pena fare upgrade ?
I got issues with ear shape, my channels are very tight, so basically only xs xelastecs or actually small foams from etymotic work for me. Any recommendations for sound similar-ish to monarch mk2 with this caveat? I do like analytical presentation, less colored, neutral tuning, and not laid-back in some sort of sense? Strongly hate sibilants though.
You could try the IE600, they aren't sibilant IMO, but they aren't close to Monarch MKII's performance IMO. Moondrop Aria and Kato, EJ07M w/ Resin chassis are also comfortable universal IEMs. If you are willing to try customs, then Hidition Viento-B would be a great option for neutral and detailed.
Monarch MK2 vs MEST mK2?
Monarch MKII, but the bass is nice on Mest MKII. Both are quite uncomfortable universal IEMs, but Mest MKII CIEM would give you excellent comfort if that's important to you. ThieAudio still does not offer Monarch MKII as a CIEM.
As someone who tried both of these on a DX320 and sp2000t, I have to say Monarch MKII is the real deal. It scales sooooo much higher rivaling true high end IEMs demoed at CanJam. Way more authority and detail.
Hi How do they compare for female vocals, more forward, back, timbre, realistic, imaging.?
I liked the Monarch MKII more for female vocals and realistic imaging. As for timbre both have their strengths, but honestly Monarch MKII is probably the better IEM for most in terms of overall SQ.
hello ! what the best iem you recommend that you can wear for long period of time ? I would like to buy the monarch but i'm someone who listen to music h24 so the comfort is important 😄
CIEMs if budget isn't an issue. If it is, then IE600, Moondrop Aria and Kato, EJ07M w/ Resin chassis. Those are the most comfortable universal IEMs IMO.
Hi good review. I had original EJ07 and sold it after getting Dunu SA6 but miss the DD punch and bass I was looking for Monarch MKii but do you think EJ07M are better option. Thanks 🙏
Monarch MKII if they aren't uncomfortable for your ears.
Can you do a comparison of the Variations vs Sennheiser ie600? Closer in price range and ie600 looks t be more comfortable. The only question left is the sound...
I tried out the IE600, other than comfort I don't really see them as anything special.
Honestly, been looking forward to a solid comparison of these two iems. This is great. Thank you sir.
Glad you enjoyed!
My IEM habit makes me so happy to have big ole ear holes
You're fortunate.
tnx for video 🙏🏻 this video helped me get a better understanding of the Monarch Mk2 as well as the xenns up !! but what i really want is a combination of the two!!! that is, i want an earphone that has the bass power of xenns up & midrange & details like Monarch Mk2 !!!!!! can you introduce me an earphone with these specifications? in sub-bass, bass , midrange, treble like perfect, in fact, I'm looking for a complete & perfect earphone
I just know the monarch wouldn't fit me well. Sad :(
Love your DAP.
Thanks :)
Variations or oracle mostly rap and metal
Monarch MKII.
have u heard sony ier-m9? if so, how would it compare to monarch mk2?
I liked it a lot, it has significantly less bass and is more neutral, but it has an impressive soundstage and incredible detail. Probably my favorite instrument separation so far. The issue I had was comfort; even with several third-party tips, I could not get a perfect fit and got soreness with IER-M9 after 2-3 hours of wearing. U12T was better for me in that regard, but soon I should have some custom IEMs. Fingers crossed, that finally solves my ear aches.
@@tcc5750 what iem do you use most now?
good Lord, that sounds like a nightmare of a cable... which is the opposite of quality.
TCC -"I do like these though for metal" Me - "YEAHHHH BOIIIIIII"
Hope you come back to do more iem reviews you’re a natural at this
I appreciate it; I haven't had much time between work and Uni.
I'm enjoying my Timeless a lot never heard anything like it. Too much of details just gorgeous. Can't imagine how can it get better for 5x the price definitely not 5x better not even 3x I suppose.
Diminishing returns 101
I have owned odin, u12t, and mest ii among other cheaper($500-1k) ones. Trust me timeless is a good place to stop unless you are 110% comfortable spending 1k+ on iems.
The Timeless are superb but on oh, sooo many tracks vocals are some weird kind of...shouty? Like there's too much 'air' in them? I mean you can *feel* the vocals viscerally against yr ear, not just hear their sound? Anyone else know what i mean? Seems quite a real flaw...maybe get better with time?
@@lightweed Exactly. Even I got that problem just yesterday. And for me its only in left ear. Is is for you too only one ear? Also same thing mostly in some songs. Billie Eilish very low voice has 0 probs. DOn't know should I use my warranty or not(as not every song and also have to ship it myself). The problem is on anything now and I clearly remember that it wasn't there for so many days. I have found a forum reply by some guy facing same prob.
@@datdudeinred that weird pressure you feel from the vocals, right? The moment those vocals become more forcible or intensified? So 7hz.. or maybe Linsoul is it? - haha can't recall right now from which dealer i ordered mine ! - say they will replace but return shipping must be paid for. From where i live, that means over fifty bucks postage. Aiiiyeee! SUCH a tough decision! One can only wonder how the replacement would sound....so much audio wonderfulness, spoiled by that one crazy feature!
please do a review on yr m3x. thanks!!
Hey, so just a little tip to help with the weight of the monarch cable, they make iem cable clips that clip on to your shirt, clothes, etc. They are very handy.
don't stop, I'm sure your channel will grow. u have my sub sir. keep it up
$500 IEM vs $1000 IEM, seems fair
more expensive doesn't mean better
Please make a detailed review of the Shuoer ejo7m resin custom.
Do you like the Xenns up?
Bruh i just upgrade my dq6 to timeless. Why im here? Good vid tho
some say Monarch's sub bass is a bit soft and lacks that tight punch...do you feel that way?
How does it sound so far
I want the mk2s just for the looks. They’re like a piece of art
They do look lovely.
You sound interesting, good job.
Thank you
Listened to kpop a lot, is Variations better than Monarch MK2?
I'd probably pick Monarch MKII for Kpop, unless you get fatigued from their weight or perhaps with it being a bit brighter sounding.
@@tcc5750 thanks for the suggestion! 😁👍
@@tcc5750 I got Variations for kpop cause I have Timeless and Kato and love Kpop on Timeless... Hope when arrive I like 🙏🏻👍🏻
Bro bought the kilobuck earbuds
please consider to make more videos. thanks for making them, and posting them. cheers
Thank you, will do for sure. Just been a little under the weather and had some dental work. I'm starting to recuperate now.
Bruh, your videos is so informative, subscribed. I have a question, monarch mk2 or 64 audio ut12 if the price tag is not a factor.
That's tough, they are both fantastic IEMs. I think if comfort s important to you, the 64 Audio UT12T would have an advantage, additionally you'd be buying a brand that has less cases of driver failure (but ThieAudio isn't bad in this regard, just slightly worse than 64Audio).
Awesome comparison!! A quick question: How does the Monarch MK2 compare to the EJ07M in terms of resolution/imaging? Wondering which one I should get for vocals/mids/bands/acoustics since the EJ07M is $500 right now. Merry Christmas and happy holidays! Keep up the great work 👍
It's like 90% there. EJ07m has less detail and it has smoother treble. I think both sound nice for acoustics. But keep in mind the non-custom EJ07M is metal not resin so that may affect comfort. If you have the money and don't care about comfort then Monarch MKII is worth the price, but custom EJ07M is my go to IEM as it's comfortable and sounds pleasant. It's a good all rounder iem.
Hello, I have these on the way, I am a newbie in the world of IEMs. Do you think these will be driven fully by the new Fiio UTWS5? Or should i go with the Hidizs s9 pro and guarantee better sound quality over convenience?
I checked Fiio's site and I cannot find any mention of that amp. I think you would be fine though with most DAPs and portable amps over $100 but if you find it isn't getting loud enough for is lacking you could add an attenuator like Ifi's iEMatch, as that's what I use when I want to use my Switch or a dongle with a phone. For DAPs I like my M3x, it's tuned well enough for me, that being said a buddie of mine on Discord likes his S9 Pro, but I believe he upgraded to a iFi xDSD Gryphon. Recently a person on Linsoul's discord was quite vocal about his love of Qudelix 5K, but I don't have any experience with that product so :/.
if you dont mind me asking, how much was the custom compared to the regular?
I paid $571, but I bought during 11.11/Black Friday sale so I believe it's normally $669 but I'll edit my comment and update this if it's cheaper. I reached out to Shuoer from Linsoul's discord to get the custom EJ07M and pay direct to Shuoer.
If you want to talk to Shuoer on Discord there username is LETSHUOER#1841. They can discuss pricing in more detail there.
Custom shell not custom fit?
@@traktorpro10 I believe they do custom fit, when they asked me for my preference they asked me which fit first.
@Behind The Decks Entertainment - Shuoer offers custom shell and custom fit/CIEM (ear impressions molded to IEM etc) if that's your goal. I went for customized resin shell personally since I disliked the heavier metal shell the OG EJ07M uses, additionally I have zero discomfort with the resin EJ07M even though it's not molded to my ears via ear impressions. It is still a custom shelled IEM though.
Monarch Mk2 one of the best iems for metal?
IMO, yes. It has speed and dynamics but never comes across fatiguing/shouty. Just sounds great for metal all-round.
@@tcc5750 Thanks man, great review
@@tcc5750 Hello, which one is better, Sony IER-Z1R or Monarch Mk2? and What do you think about Moondrop S8? I havent unboxed it because should I upgrade to Sony IER-Z1R or Monarch Mk2? Thank you
Good round-up, personally driving the Blessing 2 right now and was planning to upgrade to Variations/Monarch Mk I/Monarch Mk II. Missed the chance to demo the Monarch Mk II a couple of weeks ago and I regretted it, well in the flipside, I got to listen to a bit of the U12t and they're damn amazing. 2k bucks is too much tho for me. Have you tried the Monarch Mk I? I'm wondering if I could get pretty much the Mk II experience through Mk I with EQ
I haven't tried Monarch MKI in a while, but based on the graphs and memory the sub-bass is a little more elevated on Monarch MKI but MKII has more elevated mid-bass. The MKII has slighter more elevated mids as well, but MKI has a stronger upper-midrange. In terms of sound the MKII sounds a little more airy/pronounced in treble so a little brighter, but both are not shouty/overly bright IEMs. I think MKII is generally a more refined version than MKI, but both are excellent IEMs. If you can handle B2's weight and thicc nozzle you should be able to handle Monarch's with ease. Variations is a great IEM for the price, but it has less midrange focus (almost recessed mids) than the Monarch, so Variations may be a deal-breaker depending on the music you listen to.
crinacle.com/graphs/iems/graphtool/?share=Monarch_S2,Monarch_Mk2
Just found you. You're definitely needed in the sea of IEM reviewers, not just a redundant other one. Thanks. Keep it up! 👍
Thank you! :)
Redundant who?
Monarch x EJ07!
Nice Review Sir 👍 Btw, Spinfit CP155 will address the complaint of uncomfortable fitting in Variation. I have proven myself.
I ended up selling Variations, but I will have to look into those eartips for the Monarch and other IEMs I own ;). Thank you for the suggestion and for watching.