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This episode highlights an important historical landmark for the City of Chicago. Ed Lynch is well-prepared for his interviews.

Interesting episode!

Ed, tysm for this interview. Your question on Pete's opinion of Tiant was both outstanding and timely. I made a video 6 months ago, that now has 1/2 million views of THAT first at bat of Tiant vs. Rose. That series and that entire confrontation was incredible and set the tone for the greatest world series ever. I put link sharing this interview from my vid. Love your podcast!

Omg

Mets still hanging in there.

Ed, you weren't mediocre @12:15. From '81 to '86, 3.72 Era, 44-44, 1.32 whip , 2 cg's, 4 saves. You only walked 2 batters per 9 innings. If you hadn't got lit up on your mlb outing, your career e.r.a. would have been sub 4.

Outstanding as always, Ed

Everything you have learned from Eliot Asinof's book "Eight Men Out" and the movie that followed is pretty much wrong...and Jacob and David tell you why. As a member of the 1919 Black Sox Scandal Committee and the great-nephew of one of the fixers, I can tell you Jacob and David are right. It was unbelievably badly-organized and the response was mostly cover-up. However, there was a fix, the Sox dumped games, and Arnold Rothstein, my great-uncle's employer, did very well. Uncle Izzy was one of his bagmen and enforcers. He picked up your bets, gave you your winnings, and if you failed to pay the vigorish (a lot of betting was done on credit with loanshark interest), he broke your kneecaps. When not rigging games for Rothstein or other services, Izzy led a crew that robbed furniture warehouses in the Bronx.The night watchman gave Izzy tips on new arrivals. He and his crew drove over and took what they wanted, after either beating the heck out of the night watchman or slipping him a finsky or both. What he couldn't fence went to my family. "A shame for the neighbors is Izzy!" they yelled, "But he brings good furniture..." That ended in the mid-1920s, when Rothstein caught Izzy skimming the take. Why we never found out -- drugs, debts, booze, a woman -- as he swiftly became part of the infrastructure of New York City. He's holding up the Hellgate Bridge. Our family was only annoyed at the loss of furniture.... I had the good fortune to know Ed Lynch when he pitched for the early 1980s Mets. Great guy and pitcher.

Joe's detractors believe that he was guilty based on his "confession" during his grand jury testimony, His defenders argue that Jackson, who testified that he was a participant in the plot while insisting that he always played to win, was coached to incriminate himself by the White Sox attorney, Alfred Austrian. Austrian, who was also Comiskey's personal lawyer, was trying to prevent the exposure of the owner's cover-up. Comiskey feared that he could lose his franchise if he failed to keep the details of the fix from the American public. There is material in the civil trial transcript that strengthens Joe's case. Jackson's detractors have long expressed skepticism about his claim that he went to Comiskey's office the day after the Series ended to show him the bribe money he had received from his teammate, Lefty Williams, and had the door slammed in his face. The transcript shows that Comiskey testified that Joe did indeed come to his office, waited for an hour and the owner did not see him. Letters that were exchanged between the owner and the ballplayer in November of 1919, a mere month after the Series ended, were presented in evidence in which Jackson, responding to Comiskey's offer to pay his expenses if he wanted to return to Chicago to discuss the Series, wrote that he wanted to clear his name and tell what he knew. The owner brushed him off. I believe that when Joe went to the White Sox office on September 28, 1920 he was hoping to clear his name as he had attempted to do 10 months before. I also believe that Austrian prearranged a telephone call between the ballplayer and Judge Charles McDonald who presided over the grand jury proceedings.. Joe told the judge that he was "an honest man" to which the jurist replied, "I know Jackson you are not". McDonald had heard Eddie Cicotte earlier in the day allege that Joe had attended the initial meeting of the crooked players at the Ansonia Hotel in New York City. However, even Joe's detractors acknowledge that he did not attend the gathering because he had not yet been approached about participating in the plot nor did he attend any other of their meetings. Cicotte implicated Joe, I believe, because he had been told by Williams that he was "kind of" representing Jackson. As Saul Kassin writes in his book DUPED such accusations are aimed at "thrusting offenders into a state of despair incentivizing them to cooperate." Lefty later admitted that he did not have his teammate's permission to speak for him. I believe that Joe panicked after being told by McDonald that he did not believe him. During the Black Sox trial, Shoeless Joe testified that Austrian told him that he "would be indicted in a few minutes". Austrian testified during the civil trial that Joe expressed concern that he might be put in jail. As Richard Ofshe and Richard Leo write in "The Decision to Confess Falsely", "both guilty and innocent suspects can be made to say...'I did it"...especially if they are told," as I believe Joe was by Austrian, that they will be "unable to convince a judge or jury of their innocence". As Kassin writes interrogators "arouse fear to facilitate persuasion" promising leniency convincing a suspect that "confessing served his self-interest". Joe further testified he was told "they weren't after the ballplayers but wanted to trample the gamblers under their feet...(and) that after confessing nothing would be done with me and I could go anywhere---to the Portuguese islands if I wanted. i would never be prosecuted and the only way I would be used was as a witness." Fitting the profile of a person confessing falsely, Jackson added, "All I wanted was to tell my story and get out...They promised they wouldn't put me in a jail house or fine me or even indict me." Kassin writes "innocent people will confess if they think they will escape punishment". During the civil trial when he was asked why he stated during his grand jury testimony that he was "ashamed of himself" Joe replied that Austrian "suggested" he so testify, proof he was coached by the attorney. This also fits the profile that suspects are advised to show remorse. Kassin writes "people intuitively trust all confessions." even those that are false "they reek of credibility". The owner and his attorney were very concerned that the Comiskey cover-up would be exposed. If Joe testified that he had tried to show the owner the bribe money, had tried to return to Chicago to tell what he knew and that he has asked to be suspended from the Series on the morning of Game 1, he would provide American League President Ban Johnson with the ammunition he could use to destroy Comiskey. Austrian had to convince Joe not to say anything that would implicate the owner if he wanted them to help him stay out of jail. The transcript includes the testimony of Judge McDonald who claims Joe told him in chambers that he was "approached by Gandil in New York at the Ansonia Hotel...Jackson said he wouldn't accept $5000, that that wouldn't be sufficient for a common laborer to do a dirty trick...that would require $20000...and that he did not play his best." Joe emphatically denied saying this. McDonald said he was testifying from memory and not from notes. He clearly is confusing Joe with Lefty Williams who, in his grand jury testimony said he was approached by Gandil in New York outside the Ansonia and that "for $5000 I wouldn't throw no World Series. That is not enough money for an ordinary working man to do a dirty trick." Williams also testified that he could have pitched harder during the Series. It is true that Katie Jackson testified that she deposited the bribe money in the bank in December of 1919, but that was after Joe had tried to show the owner the money the day after the Series ended and had written, via his wife, to Comiskey stating he wanted to return to Chicago in November to tell what he knew. If Comiskey had met with Shoeless Joe, I strongly believe the ballplayer would have shown him the bribe money in October or November and would not have had the money to put in the bank in December. He deposited the money testifying at the civil trial that Williams "didn't want the damn stuff (the $5000) and I thought this way, since that lousy so-called gambling outfit had used my name, I might have their money as for him (Williams)." Joe also testified that after asking team secretary Harry Grabiner in February 1920 what he should do with the bribe he was told "as long as that bunch of bums used your name, you did the only sensible thing in keeping it". Joe may have thought he could put the dirty money to good use by paying his sister's medical bills. While it was a mistake to put the bribe money in the bank, I believe it was, in the context described, an understandable one and one for which the punishment, banishment from baseball for life and exclusion from the Hall of Fame does not fit the crime.

Loving your podcast! Did you interview Keith Hernandez?

Great interview! Good Guy!

Great interview Ed-liked the 3 C’s Joe talked about.

Great stuff Ed! - Pauley Donuts

Great job Ed! Terry seems like a heck of a guy, much like you. Glad to see you two have such a great relationship over all these years.

*Promosm*

New camera looks good and again great stuff! Your research on innings pitched doesn't surprise me. The Mets starters barely got past the 5th inning in 2023. I do miss starters pitching at least 6 innings.

Great Job Ed!

Ed ! Good Luck 🍀 with the podcast my friend … Excellent 👏 ⚾️

Love you Lynchie! Great job!