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Murray Aviation Services LLC
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Aerolite 103 / Aero 1000 Combo Update and Details
Just a few details about the history of the engine, the development of this adaptation, and details of the installation.
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www.uflyit.com/aerolite_103_prices.htm
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334-232-1688
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blackhawkusa.com/the-aero-1000-high-output-fuel-injected-4-stroke-engine-bushdawg/
www.helvenco.com/aero1000.htm
www.uflyit.com/aerolite_103_prices.htm
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Видео
2nd Test Flight of the Aerolite/Aero 1000 Combination
Просмотров 6 тыс.10 месяцев назад
Just a few orbits of the field and a couple of passes. I think the biggest surprise so far is how there haven't been any surprises. It doesn't have the extreme thrust of some of the larger 2 stroke engines, and that's not the point. It's just a test to see if the Aero 1000 is a viable alternative to the 2 stroke engines commonly used.
Aerolite 103 with the 4 stroke Aero 1000 engine
Просмотров 31 тыс.10 месяцев назад
First impressions of this combination
Quad City LSS Details
Просмотров 1 тыс.3 года назад
Just a few details about the LSS, and a few special mods
Rotax 503 Maintenance - Fan and Starter
Просмотров 15 тыс.4 года назад
Basics regarding installation and maintenance of both the GPL starter system and the fan cooling system. Use this information at your own risk.
Quad City Ultralights Redrive Details
Просмотров 1,9 тыс.5 лет назад
Just a few observations and recommendations based on my experience. Sorry for the film quality; I'm a better pilot and mechanic than video maker. Not a substitute for your own proper training, knowledge, or experience. Use information and recommendations at your own risk. NOTE: at about the 7 minute mark, I mention the problem with using prop bolts that are too long. I forgot to mention that, a...
Is this engine an option at uflyit?
Part 103 compliant with a 4-stroke? Excellent.
Too much to fail. Electrical issues possible. A belt driven prop. The radiator just above the tire that could possibly kick up a stone causing a coolant leak. No thanks.
A super engine setup . Love the sturdy framework and the neatness Ratio adjustment availability is so good. Thank you for an exciting new product.
What is you Facebook page ?
When are you gonna have the engines available ?
Hey. I sent you a reply about the contacting Blackhawk for the engine. One month backorder for the conversion kit; $1500 plus shipping. Prop is $700 plus shipping.
@@markmurray8517 great Murray thanks. Is that Blackhawk PPG the paramotor company? I fly paramotors and get staff from them So I purchase the engine from them and they sent it to you for the conversion? Or all gets done internally?
@nvrqit9361 yes, same company. Contact me at murray.aviation.llc@gmail.com and I'll share the details. Thanks
markets been demanding it for 30 years and after dozens of broken promises I decided to make it happen, vg23air :)
Sounds like a lawn mower
Hello Murray Wow nice engine for that unit I’m on the market for a aero light 103 are you selling the engines? And how much are they? I fly PPG I have a vittorazi moster 185 cc nice Italian racing motor. I’m sure you know them Is that vittorazi suitable for that ultralight they are 26 HP Well thanks for the video
Hey. We are currently wrapping up the installation package. Contact me at murray.aviation.llc@gmail.com and I can give you pricing. Thanks
So, whats the verdict?
We've done further testing with a different redrive ratio and gained even better climb performance. Finishing up the installation manual this summer
That is not a simple setup ,a piper cub is a simple set-up
Well I guess I can wait. I’ve been thinking purchasing a quicksilver
Who has engine parts? Pretend you are looking for gasket or other parts. See what wall you hit. Love the engine so hope that's not an issue.
That's a valid point. At this time, parts are available only from Blackhawk Paramotors, the US importer. Unfortunately, this is the same situation we are in for several engine designs available; parts only available from one source. No competition. The days of having several companies offering parts for ultralight engine manufacturers seems to be over. Even parts for the legendary 2 stroke Rotaxs are drying up. Those of us that overhaul Rotaxs have bo choice but to source parts from other than Rotax now.
Bucket list Item for sure....!
I want a areo 103 that's my dream ultralight , just hope someday I'll have the funds. Haven't had any income in over 3yrs so at 53 years old i have to start from the bottom. Wish my legs were in better shape..anyway I love ultralights and can only imagine how free one would feel being able to fly. God Bless y'all.
What did the early Piper J-2 use? 40 horsepower with two seats.
Cubs are cool. However, that's not a "apples-to apples" comparison. The Continental A-40 weighs almost 3 times as much as the Aero 1000. And the J2 is much cleaner aerodynamically than an Aerolite. Simply comparing the 2 engines based on horsepower alone isn't realistic
If you install the electric starter , can i still use the pull starter ?
Yes, pull start can still be mounted. Assuming the structure allows sufficient space for it. On the Challenger design there is not sufficient room for both the GPL and pull start
Thank you , very easy to understand, a great explanation of the fan belt mechanism.
Glad you liked it!
40hp for 1000cc - not great
I've always wondered why they call it Aero 1000 as it is a 250cc engine. The real benefit is the seriously reduced fuel burn, depending on cruise rpm, a bit under 1 gallon per hour, the old Rotax was at least double that !.
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4-stroke reliability? = great.
Great explanation of the system! I’m sure you are being overwhelmed by questions right now, price, weight, delivery, etc. Looking forward to seeing your next video.
Thanks. We've more or less settled on the redrive ratio for now. Climb rate now averages about 350' per minute, which was my goal. Price is going to be in the neighborhood of $10,500 for the Aerolite package. I'll try to post a follow-up soon
I gave Dennis $32113 in June of 2022 for the electric Aerolite 103 and he will not respond to us at all. I would think twice before investing!
I've worked with Dennis as a dealer for 6 or 7 years now with no problems. I don't know what to say about your situation other than he's having trouble securing some of the electrical components
@@markmurray8517 Thank you for the reply Mark. Dennis will not take our call, respond to our email, respond to a letter sent from our lawyer, nothing. We just want our money back now. This is the beginning of my public comments to see if he will make good on our deal.
@@markmurray8517Why would anyone take money for something they can not physically build at the moment?
Nice presentation
If I wanted to hear a guitar I would have put on James Taylor.
Wow, one in every crowd, or maybe 2. My action camera doesn't record sound. Watching me fly around in silence would have been kinda stupid. If you want more engine noise, watch the first Aero 1000 video
@@markmurray8517 I actually did want to hear how it sounds.
@@donhuffer5167no worries. Did you watch ruclips.net/video/Dqson3_0kOo/видео.htmlsi=7pqHGHzDT69_72DF ? Or, do you mean you want to hear in-cockpit sounds? I haven't recorded that yet. But, i can tell you its somewhat quieter than a 2-stroke.
WOW! I'm so so excited. Almost ready to get back into flying. Never finished my license. I'm age 52 now, and I'd like to buy my first craft, but don't wish to deal with medicals and FAA's nonsense. I want to be safe, in a safe craft. Still liking ultralights vs paramotors. Whatever will get me in the air for 30k or under lol.
If you want to be safe (personally and for others), get the medical clearances and make sure the aircraft is truly airworthy, ie inspections.
perfect engine for ultralight
With the price of two stroke oil alone, 4 stroke is way less expensive to run!
Nice looking engine.👍 I think the Thump Air 460 is going to be its main competition. Cheers
Yes, I know Scott and the Thump-air well. We actually considered going that route at first, but the Thump-air was just getting started, and we decided to go with a design that's already flying
Is all that critical wiring water tight or protected somehow? Is there a back-up fuel pump?
The connections are sealed, but I wouldn't call them water proof. No secondary fuel pump. Many ultralights don't have a back-up pump
Thanks for this video, your honesty and support of ultralight aviation.👍
You guys did great work with that engine and mounting! Glad to see more options coming to the market.
Thanks
Great video and explanation Mark. Thanks - Bill
Thanks
Thanks for the informative video. What is the cruise speed with the engine? What is the fuel burn? Do you have an approximate idea of how much an Aerolite with this engine would cost? Thanks.
We're still narrowing down the numbers, so all I can give are approximations at this point. Rate of climb is 300-400' feet per minute at a 1000' density altitude. Cruise is about 50mph, typical for draggy ultralight-type airplanes. Fuel burn is 1.5 to 2 gallons per hour. Conversion kit is $1750. All up is going to run about $30000 for the kit
Does this engine keep it in the ultralight category?
DID YOU BUY IT THIS WAY? Or did you convert it from 2 stroke motor to 4 stroke. What is exact motor and were did you get it for what Price? was it all bolt on or need modified ?
The engine is called the Aero 1000 built by Helvanco in Switzerland. In the US it can be purchased directly from Blackhawkusa.com. It is a purpose-built 4-stroke intaily developed as a high performance go-kart and parachute-type aircraft (ppg) engine, but was recently adapted to Quicksilver fixed-wing ultralights. We are creating a package for adapting to the Aerolite. Stay tuned for updates soon.
The price seems to constantly fluctuate because of shipping cost, but the engine alone will run $9000 to $9500. We haven't nailed it down yet, but the conversion kit will probably run about $1300-$1500
The conversion is mostly bolt-on. There are few fuselage frame members that have to be altered to make the engine mount work. The modifications were approved by the airframe manufacturer. the conversion kit comes with all parts needed and detailed instructions
How does the 105 perform with 2 blade, 6 blade props with various pitches on this motor, 👍
Hey. We're still working that out. For now, I'm please to say performance is good. We're tweaking the redrive ratio and prop combination as weather allows. Stay tuned! Thanks for your interest.
You may also want to watch the follow up video, ruclips.net/video/Lavo_RS42qo/видео.htmlsi=jBubT6wVW0SRhKXY
Still folds up into a little ball of death all the same.
four stroke power would make this airframe really great without that howling/screaming 2 banger right above your head. Very nice to see this performing well!
This motor high RPM low power does not appeal to me I'd rather see an update on the electric motor or maybe a hybrid motor that can charge the electric motor battery while underway
What is the cost so far
It looks like it's going to be about $11000. That includes everything to adapt the Aerolite for the engine, including instructions
How did you trim to fly hands off?
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Not a thing. I was a little surprised, too. Aerolites tend to be pretty stable in the CG range, even with different engines, but I expected it to need a little adjustment. But, nope, perfect as is. On my next flight test sequence I'll try a few different power settings see if it has the typical pitch tendencies that come with high thrust line pushers.
Ppssst we came to experience the 4 stroke engine ….lose the Music
Watch the first test flight video. Lots of engine noise 🙂
tell the editor we want to see the takeoff from dead stop to wheels up, and on grass, thanks
We haven't progressed to that yet. If your concern is takeoff roll, I can tell you I won't be as quick as a 2 stroke. Pound for pound, you can't beat the power to weight ratio of a 2 stroke. But, the power of the Aero 1000 has so far proven its sufficient enough that we're going to continue developing it as an alternative. Stay tuned for more videos as we progress. Thanks for the input.
@@markmurray8517 thanks, no i am comparing it to available 4 strokes, using the 503 6 seconds on grass as a benchmark. the worst is the 1/2 vw 20 seconds the best is the thumpair at 8 seconds then the briggs and the eos quattro at 11 to 13 2024 is going to be very competitive for ul 4 strokes, lots of choices and lots of documented stats and performance. the only one that matters, dead stop to wheels up.
Interesting. What airplane were you using for comparison? And was density altitude relatively the same for each test?
@@markmurray8517 no idea its not scientific, we go by whats the best we can find for the engine then let people make up their own minds, for example, the quicksilver mx single surface hi lift wing with a lightweight pilot on a paved runway at 4.5 seconds, we discount that completely. Anyone marketing an engine is going to put out the best video and info they can, lol like quicksilver, people buying have very little to go by when deciding, this is the one thing they can look at and go that could be me. headed towards trees., so its an important metric. right now, the thumpair has the lead with two videos on two different planes at 8 seconds. thanks
I wonder how much weight a tiny turbo system would add, and/or a Titanium spec model (all bolts and other nuggets made of ti to save weight. $ of course.
there is only one metric, its my bible, how many seconds from a total dead stop to wheels up, (GRASS). The goal is 6 seconds, (this is almost any UL with a 503 that is now over weight) The maximum allowed is 12 seconds, obviously the closer to 6 the better. The half VW is as slow as 20 seconds, dangerously under powered imo. The briggs and Stratton Van Gaurd 23 hp is 11 seconds, 13 with a 275 pound pilot, in a legal eagle. The new EOS Quattro 276 cc 4 stroke single (44 lbs firewall forward e prop) gets a dingo biplane up in 11 seconds in uncut grass. The thumpair 460 4 stroke single is 8 seconds on dirt. (tail up rollout with sudden full back for stol), another thump air with runway pavement hi max plane 8 seconds standard takeoff not stol. Lets us know this metric, it is all that matters (when you see that tree line).
the only video I have found so far is this engine on a quicksilver single surface wing on pavement with a tiny pilot, 4.5 seconds to wheels up. but, its single surface hi lift, on pavement, with a lightweight pilot and headwind not disclosed, and its a marketing video and we dont know tire psi.
I appreciate your concerns about performance. Nothing is worse than a great airframe with an underperforming or unreliable engine. However, I don't think you can make real "apples to apples" comparisons on engines when not taking into consideration the differences between airframes and conditions. If you did all test in the same Legal Eagle, with the same pilot, with the same conditions (grass, similar density altitude, no wind), then yes, you could make some real world comparisons. I will record grass takeoff time and distance at some point, but even then it's more of a "apples to oranges" comparison.
@@markmurray8517 thanks, most of us can look at a aircraft, watch it fly, and come to some conclusions very easily. thanks for you participation, it is genuinely appreciated :)
@@markmurray8517 There is basically no airframe on this thing let alone a great one.
Thanks for this video. Could you tell us if this Aerolite 103 still makes part 103 weight with this engine? Thanks again.
Thanks for installing the Aero 1000 on your Aerolite 103 and showing us that it is a viable alternative to 2-stroke power. I look forward to additional tests and your thoughts.
Thanks. I've got a good group of customers that make it possible 😊
Adequate power for most people and probably more reliable than most two strokes and the fuel savings will be worthwhile for sure!
Very cool!!!
I’d love to be able to own something like this someday!
Has an interesting sound
My assumption is it will prove reliable and a good choice for many. While you said it has plenty of power, personally I would prefer a 4 stroke in the 60 hp range. I understand the weight issue though.
that puppy sounds awesome!
Thats a great looking engine We had one that came installed in a Ralley 3B Ultralight. Im modeling the engine and plane to fly in Phoenix RC Simulator.