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First Free Methodist in Seattle, Washington

This is Pastor Craig Brown at First Free Methodist in Seattle, Washington.

Ah, the "I have no points to make so I'll just hurl insults and pretend I'm cool" stance.

But it's meant to be shared. :)

@@rambosquirrel1208 No thanks.

There are a few easy ones...don't steal, don't murder, don't bear false witness (think perjury, libel, slander). There are a whole bunch of them in the early books of the Bible.

Banning alcohol, Making drugs illegal, outlaw gay marriage, banning abortion, and prostitution banned are some of the Christian laws. Most are all of these laws would backfire on society.

​@@rambosquirrel1208We don't need myths to know theft and murder are wrong.

@@Silverman96 Because NONE of those are able to be deemed worthy of making illegal on their own merits? They’re ALL objectively benign independent of faithful people? Way to interject your own opinions and (lack of) secular morality into laws…oh wait…that’s pretty much your accusation in the first place. Look…as a constitutional conservative, I want the smallest amount of government intrusion into our lives as well…but you don’t have to invoke faith to see the damage to society that some of those things bring. People are sh***y, and they can’t bring themselves to have their own issues NOT affect society…and then it DOES become everyone’s problem.

@@rambosquirrel1208 Think we’re on the same line of thinking. I’d love to see an atheist transported back in time to before the advent of Judeo-christian values and governance.

I’m not sure you know what a straw man argument is…

@@eshuorishas9987 actually I do

What do you mean by "extreme" Christian? The Amish? I think people like to tack on the word "extreme" to hedge their statement so they can always go back and say "I wasn't talking about those <insert group here>". I think it's intellectually lazy.

@@rambosquirrel1208 I mean all those Christians that want to force their religion and lifestyle on other people.

@@rambosquirrel1208 theocrats, Evangelicals.

@@andrewgreen5574 By theocrat do you mean someone like the Pope who would act as "King" who would force religion on people by law? Someone who would use religion for personal power and gain? Those fly the face of Christianity so I wouldn't include them (unless of course they repented and abandoned those sins). Evangelicals is too broad. Evangelicals are just those would would profess the gospels publicly. If they are professing falsehoods then I think the same as above applies. So, I guess I just think the use of the word "extreme" here is careless

@@rambosquirrel1208 I mean those who want to impose religion by force through the state. The Pope of today is mostly a symbolic figure outside of Rome. However, you do bring up a decent point, Protestants came out of resistance to the oppression of the Catholic Church. Why would you want to impose the same conditions in the "free world"? Today Evangelicals have consolidated and are over representative of a specific group, it has pushed out every other interpretation. I think you know that, though. It also shows the changing of its meaning, where non-Christians are identifying with the politics of Republicans and adopting the label. So, no it's not about "professing the gospels publicly", rather it's about a political identity.

Define "God's Law". Should children be stoned for disobeying their parents? Should a girl be sold to her victimizer? Where does the Bible speak on abortion, how about birth control? The problem is that the Bible isn't reflective of modern values and is left up to widely different interpretations, which would then create a ton of other issues. Don't even get me started on how Jesus spoke on how the Earth belonged to the rule of man, as the Kingdom of Heaven was his domain. This was specific to the criticisms of the Roman Empire. The religious divisions in Europe is the reason the Founders created a secular nation, as they were influenced by the wars motivativated by religion. This created massive instabilities between different Catholic factions and protestants. Also, yes I agree American Evangelicals are an embarrassment, just look at DJT, MTG, and Boebert. If these adulterers, drunkards, and general creeps are representative of Christian Nationalism, then perhaps you worship false idols.

Because you’re the outlier. You’re not living in a Christian nation. The USA was never a Christian nation. You gaslighted yourself in that idea.

Because many of the founders of the United States, weren't Christian. They were Atheist and Agnostic. Hence, separation of Church and State and Freedom of Religion. The State is not allowed to elevate any religion. Period.

@@lordfraybin That is incorrect. (edit) Also, you aren't addressing my question.

@@jannetteberends8730 You are incorrect, well, at least in part. I suspect you are playing semantic games with the term "Christian nation". By your definition we never were but we were a nation that largely practiced Christianity, ergo a Christian nation. In any case, you aren't even addressing my question.