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Extreme EXT 1300kg Fixed Keel Braked Boat Tailer - Cornish Crabber Shrimper 17 - from e-trailers
Extreme EXT 1300 fixed keel braked boat trailer
Available from e-trailers at Launceston on 01566 880228 or e-trailers.co.uk
COLLECTION FROM CORNWALL - PLEASE CONTACT US BEFORE PURCHASE TO CONFIRM TIMESCALES AND ARRANGEMENTS - 01566 880228
Extreme 1300kg Braked Fixed Keel Bunked Boat Trailer
Designed and manufactured in the UK.
With a trailer weight of 300kg it can take 1000kg of boat weight
Suitable for all fixed keel boats up to 17'
Standard features include:
Heavy duty frame
AL-KO axle
Waterproof sealed bearings
1.2m bunks
8 Heavy duty keel rollers
Height adjustable winch post
165R13 wheels
Heavy duty 42mm jockey wheel with cast clamp
1800lb Dutton Lainson winch
Light board on extendable bars
Standard f...
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Видео

EXT 1300kg braked super roller boat trailer with 24 rollers from Extreme available from e-trailers
Просмотров 184Год назад
Extreme EXT 1300 super roller boat trailer. 24 Orange rollers with rear swing beam cradle for faster launching and recovery. Available from e-trailers at Launceston on 01566 880228. e-trailers.co.uk COLLECTION FROM CORNWALL - PLEASE CONTACT US BEFORE PURCHASE TO CONFIRM TIMESCALES AND ARRANGEMENTS as there may be a lead time on this trailer - 01566 880228 Extreme 1300kg Super Roller Boat Traile...
Extreme EXT 1100kg galvanised super roller boat trailer with 24 rollers - e-trailers.co.uk
Просмотров 537Год назад
Extreme EXT 1100 super roller boat trailer. 24 rollers with rear swing beam cradle for faster launching and recovery. Available from e-trailers at Launceston on 01566 880228. www.e-trailers.co.uk COLLECTION FROM CORNWALL - PLEASE CONTACT US BEFORE PURCHASE TO CONFIRM TIMESCALES AND ARRANGEMENTS as this trailer may have to be built to order - 01566 880228 Extreme 1100kg Super Roller Boat Trailer...
e-trailers at the Extreme Marine stand, Southampton Boat Show 2022
Просмотров 2402 года назад
Quick Video from e-trailers at the Extreme stand Southampton Boat Show 2022. We have the full range of Extreme Trailers available on www.e-trailers.co.uk or telephone 01566 880228 for assistance
Extreme 750 Double Jet Ski 16 Rollers 2 Bunks Trailer - Seadoo Spark & Stand Up Ski
Просмотров 9462 года назад
Another great product from e-trailers-co-uk CREDIT & DEBIT CARD PAYMENTS ACCEPTED EXTREME 750kg (EXT 750) galvanised Double Jet Ski Trailer Un-braked lightweight Super Roller (or bunks or both !) design for easy launch and recovery COLLECTION ONLY FROM CORNWALL - PLEASE CONTACT US BEFORE PURCHASE TO CONFIRM TIMESCALES AND ARRANGEMENTS DELIVERY OR HAND OVER AT AN AGREED LOCATION MAY BE POSSIBLE ...
Maypole MP4099 LED Flashing Magnetic Warning Amber Beacon Rechargeable Wireless Light Tractor Safety
Просмотров 2,1 тыс.2 года назад
Another great product from e-trailers-co-uk CREDIT & DEBIT CARD PAYMENTS ACCEPTED FREE POST IS TO UK POST CODES ONLY This rechargeable LED Amber Flashing Warning Beacon is ideal to protect yourself and others. With reduced sunlight during the winter months, visibility is highly important. PERFECT FOR CARS, TRACTORS, RECOVERY COMPANIES, TOWING, TRAILERS ETC.. MP4099 12/24V LED Wireless Amber War...
Extreme 1500kg Fixed Keel Bunk Trailer For Boats - Cornish Crabber Plymouth Pilot
Просмотров 4252 года назад
Another great product from www.e-trailers.co.uk CREDIT & DEBIT CARD PAYMENTS ACCEPTED Suitable for Fixed Keel Boats especially Plymouth Pilot, Cornish Crabber / Shrimper 19​ Designed and manufactured in the UK.​​ Standard features include:​​ · Heavy duty frame · AL-KO axle · Waterproof sealed bearings · 1.2m bunks · 8 Heavy duty keel rollers · Height adjustable winch post · 175R13 wheels · 42mm...
Galvanised Container Pallet Loading Platform With Ramp For Forklift Front Loader or Telehandler
Просмотров 1042 года назад
We make these Container Pallet Loading Platforms to your bespoke requirements All the platforms are different so hopefully this video gives you some ideas PLEASE CONTACT US BEFORE PURCHASE TO CONFIRM TIMESCALES AND ARRANGEMENTS Collection is preferred although delivery is possible based on your postcode Please call 01566 880228
EXTREME LAUNCHER 2 - Launch Trolley for small dinghies up to 4m with overhang or Boats up to 3.7m
Просмотров 4,2 тыс.2 года назад
The Extreme launcher 2 trolley is suitable for small boats and RIBS up to 3.7m in length and 4m dinghies It has a two keel rollers and four adjustable side rollers, making for easier launching and recovery The large puncture proof tyres allows you to wheel the trolley over sand and gravel. It can be shrunk in size for easy storage. Suitable for small dinghies up to 13' or 4m in length and boats...
EXTREME 350 JET SKI BUNK TRAILER - PERFECT FOR THE SEADOO SPARK TRIXX MODELS
Просмотров 6342 года назад
ANOTHER GREAT PRODUCT FROM E-TRAILERS CREDIT AND DEBIT CARD PAYMENTS ACCEPTED EXTREME EXT 350kg unbraked lightweight galvanised boat trailer with bunks and keel roller IN STOCK AND READY TO GO - JUST BRING A NUMBER PLATE ! THIS TRAILER IS SET UP ESPECIALLY FOR THE SEADOO SPARK JET SKI COLLECTION ONLY FROM CORNWALL - PLEASE CONTACT US FOR TIMESCALES / ARRANGEMENTS DELIVERY OR HAND OVER AT AN AGR...
EXTREME 500 SUPER ROLLER BOAT TRAILER
Просмотров 8034 года назад
Extreme EXT 500 super roller boat trailer. 16 rollers for faster launching and recovery. Available from e-trailers at Launceston on 01566 880228. www.e-trailers.co.uk COLLECTION FROM CORNWALL - PLEASE CONTACT US BEFORE PURCHASE TO CONFIRM TIMESCALES AND ARRANGEMENTS - 01566 880228 Extreme 500kg Super Roller galvanised Boat Trailer Designed and manufactured in the UK. With a trailer weight of 12...
Extreme EXT 500kg bunked trailer especially for Inflatable Boats
Просмотров 4,3 тыс.4 года назад
ANOTHER GREAT PRODUCT FROM E-TRAILERS-CO-UK CREDIT AND DEBIT CARDS ACCEPTED EXTREME EXT 500kg un-braked lightweight galvanised bunked boat trailer COLLECTION FROM LAUNCESTON CORNWALL DELIVERY OR HAND OVER AT AN AGREED LOCATION MAY BE POSSIBLE FOR AN EXTRA CHARGE - PLEASE CONTACT US FOR A QUOTE With a trailer weight of 125kg it can take a boat and engine weight up to 375kg in weight Standard fea...
EXT 350kg unbraked 8 roller Boat, RIB & Dinghy Jet Ski Trailer available from e-trailers.co.uk
Просмотров 5634 года назад
Extreme EXT 350 roller boat trailer perfect for faster launching and recovery. Available from e-trailers at Launceston on 01566 880228. COLLECTION FROM CORNWALL OR WE CAN MEET YOU SOMEWHERE CHARGED ON POSTCODE- PLEASE CONTACT US BEFORE PURCHASE TO CONFIRM TIMESCALES AND ARRANGEMENTS - 01566 880228 EXTREME EXT 350kg galvanised unbraked roller boat / jet ski trailer Suitable for dinghies up to 13...
EXTREME EXT 750kg unbraked MAXI BUNK boat trailer available from e-trailers.co.uk
Просмотров 4944 года назад
Extreme EXT 750 MAXI BUNK boat trailer. Available from e-trailers at Launceston. Tel : 01566 880228 or email sales@e-trailers.co.uk COLLECTION FROM CORNWALL - PLEASE CONTACT US BEFORE PURCHASE TO CONFIRM TIMESCALES AND ARRANGEMENTS 750kg is the maximum gross weight of the boat and trailer combined The all new and improved EXT 750kg Maxi Bunk Trailer Fully galvanised, designed and manufactured i...
Extreme 750 Super Roller unbraked boat trailer with rear swing cradle available at e-trailers.co.uk
Просмотров 1,1 тыс.4 года назад
Another superb trailer from e-trailers.co.uk - Tel 01566 880228 This is a new Extreme 750kg Swing Cradle 24 Roller Galvanised Boat Trailer. Designed and manufactured in the UK. Trailer weight is 170kg and can take boats up to 580kg Suitable for hard boats of 16', ribs of 5.3m and 17' dinghies (with overhang) Features: Heavy duty frame galvanised frame Al-Ko or Knott un braked axle with sealed b...
Extreme EXT 1300 Super 24 Roller Boat Trailer With Rear Swing Cradle
Просмотров 8414 года назад
Extreme EXT 1300 Super 24 Roller Boat Trailer With Rear Swing Cradle
Extreme EXT 2600kg Super Roller Boat Trailer from E-Trailers - 48 rollers on 3 swing cradles
Просмотров 1,9 тыс.4 года назад
Extreme EXT 2600kg Super Roller Boat Trailer from E-Trailers - 48 rollers on 3 swing cradles
Extreme EXT 300kg Roller Boat, Dinghy & RIB Trailer
Просмотров 3564 года назад
Extreme EXT 300kg Roller Boat, Dinghy & RIB Trailer
Extreme 750kg (Wide Wheel) Jet Ski & Rib Trailer with puncture proof jockey wheel
Просмотров 4444 года назад
Extreme 750kg (Wide Wheel) Jet Ski & Rib Trailer with puncture proof jockey wheel
Alloy wheels on the 'Black' 750kg Extreme Jet Ski Range from e-trailers
Просмотров 5044 года назад
Alloy wheels on the 'Black' 750kg Extreme Jet Ski Range from e-trailers
EXTREME 750kg Wide Wheel galvanised Jet Ski Boat Trailer with easy launch & recover 28 Roller System
Просмотров 6124 года назад
EXTREME 750kg Wide Wheel galvanised Jet Ski Boat Trailer with easy launch & recover 28 Roller System
Extreme EXT 500 Bunk Trailer - Fully Galvanised
Просмотров 3054 года назад
Extreme EXT 500 Bunk Trailer - Fully Galvanised
Extreme 750kg unbraked Kayak or Canoe Stacking Trailer - Takes 8 Kayaks or Canoes - Fully Galvanised
Просмотров 3624 года назад
Extreme 750kg unbraked Kayak or Canoe Stacking Trailer - Takes 8 Kayaks or Canoes - Fully Galvanised
Extreme Jet Ski, Rib, Dinghy, Boat Showroom / Garage Dolly Trailer - for where space is a premium
Просмотров 3,5 тыс.4 года назад
Extreme Jet Ski, Rib, Dinghy, Boat Showroom / Garage Dolly Trailer - for where space is a premium
EXTREME 1500 FIXED KEEL BUNK BOAT TRAILER - CORNISH CRABBER SHRIMPER PLYMOUTH PILOT
Просмотров 6505 лет назад
EXTREME 1500 FIXED KEEL BUNK BOAT TRAILER - CORNISH CRABBER SHRIMPER PLYMOUTH PILOT
e-Trailers & Extreme Marine - Southampton Boat Show 2019 - New Dinghy, Jet Ski, Boat & RIB Trailers
Просмотров 1605 лет назад
e-Trailers & Extreme Marine - Southampton Boat Show 2019 - New Dinghy, Jet Ski, Boat & RIB Trailers
e trailers at Extreme stand 2019 Boat Show
Просмотров 805 лет назад
e trailers at Extreme stand 2019 Boat Show
Extreme 750kg Maxi Roller Boat Jet Ski Trailer
Просмотров 3,9 тыс.5 лет назад
Extreme 750kg Maxi Roller Boat Jet Ski Trailer
Extreme EXT500 Maxi Super Roller (Wide Wheel) Boat Trailer
Просмотров 4625 лет назад
Extreme EXT500 Maxi Super Roller (Wide Wheel) Boat Trailer
EXTREME 350 Bunk Inflatable Boat Trailer - available from e-trailers.co.uk
Просмотров 12 тыс.5 лет назад
EXTREME 350 Bunk Inflatable Boat Trailer - available from e-trailers.co.uk

Комментарии

  • @stuartmorley6338
    @stuartmorley6338 19 дней назад

    Brilliant - Thank you very much !

  • @L2fish
    @L2fish Месяц назад

    My 19 ft does not load that easy. Can’t move the winch

  • @InflatableBoatsOutDoors
    @InflatableBoatsOutDoors Месяц назад

    Might work on on an inflatable boat trailer build!!

  • @wmsteadbot198
    @wmsteadbot198 Год назад

    Thankyou. This is without doubt the clearest and most reassuring explanation of these two sizes I have seen.

  • @lowrider692000
    @lowrider692000 Год назад

    thank you thats really helpfull I have ideal what wheels I have on my trailer as its a car axel been used and it needs cutting off along with the springs and replacing with trailer parts as the axle has seized and rusted right through

  • @joesousa9938
    @joesousa9938 2 года назад

    U saved me 200$. thank you.

  • @MalcoDude
    @MalcoDude 2 года назад

    Hello there I have a 1500 sbs trailer with bunks and would love to change to this set up, how much am I looking at please? Many Thanks

  • @mrhammadmossop1988ul-haq
    @mrhammadmossop1988ul-haq 2 года назад

    These uploads are absolutely top class

  • @bbcala9719
    @bbcala9719 2 года назад

    I have the best system. I have a 16ft tracker proV and my trailer has bunks. I unload with ease, and my loading system loads my boat in 5 minutes and straight on the trailer every time regardless of wind or ruff water plus it is done by myself. No expensive boat no expensive trailer. Trailer guides and 2 feders take up the space between the boat and the guides. While boat is on your trailer measure the distance between boat n guides then 2 feders and then go to home depot buy some strap devices to strap the feders to the inside of the guides at the bottom n the top. Make sure feders won't move when backing your trailer into the water. I hook my bow strap on, winch it in, perfect load on the trailer every time. Plus all by yourself in 5 minutes

  • @smithyjohns1728
    @smithyjohns1728 2 года назад

    Thank you. You're a life saver. I couldn't work it out when looking for a replacement axle for my trailer. The video was clear and concise.

  • @richardredhead
    @richardredhead 3 года назад

    Did you ever notice...... Anytime a boat comes off its trailer on the highway, it's inevitably a roller bunk trailer? 🙂

    • @jimmyg3855
      @jimmyg3855 10 месяцев назад

      Good point! If I do this I will charge n the eye to the post

  • @markcleveland4448
    @markcleveland4448 3 года назад

    now who is gonna walk out in the water to hook the winch strap to the bow when retrieving? he just launches it and never takes the winch strap off. crazy

  • @jakefromstatefarm9721
    @jakefromstatefarm9721 3 года назад

    completely unhelpful. this video just shows winching the boat.

  • @jamesfuller8563
    @jamesfuller8563 3 года назад

    A great review, thank you

  • @mikenagy3728
    @mikenagy3728 3 года назад

    No, if I have to get my feet wet in water that stays at 59 degrees year-round , I'm not doing it. I am sure there is a better way.

    • @tschaderdstrom2145
      @tschaderdstrom2145 2 года назад

      If he had an appropriately long dock line tied to the bow he wouldn't have had to hop in the water...

  • @erikb8877
    @erikb8877 3 года назад

    Roller trailers suck. Period

    • @joshyingling
      @joshyingling 3 года назад

      Yeah that was an awfully flat boat ramp, you get any grade to that thing and your boat slides off your trailer

    • @chevy4x466
      @chevy4x466 2 года назад

      they should be illegal. no reputable dealer should sell them. come to think of it, none do. seems like that was popular in the 70s

  • @robra2556
    @robra2556 4 года назад

    Would you have an idea what the torque spec is for the castle nut on the 4" PCD type to preload bearings? Finding it difficult to find info on this. Cheers

  • @mrhammadmossop1988ul-haq
    @mrhammadmossop1988ul-haq 4 года назад

    Brilliant thanks for this

    • @etrailersuk
      @etrailersuk 4 года назад

      Thank you - it is a superb trailer.

  • @shauno6799
    @shauno6799 4 года назад

    So, if I want to change my Morris Minor 4” hub to a 100mm hub, the bearings are the same so they fit straight on, is that what this is saying? Or is it only relevant to trailers?

    • @etrailersuk
      @etrailersuk 4 года назад

      If you have the 1" shaft with 44643 bearings then yes the 100mm hub will fit but...I think you will find that it is not as deep as the original Morris hub and therefore you will have too much gap between the washer and the hub. What is the internal depth of your hub with the bearings in situe ?

    • @shauno6799
      @shauno6799 4 года назад

      etrailersuk , I’m not sure, I’d have to find out.

  • @hatedman77
    @hatedman77 4 года назад

    Can this be used to haul a jet ski on a utility trailer?

    • @etrailersuk
      @etrailersuk 4 года назад

      As it has carpet bunks it may be a bit of a struggle unless you have assistance from a couple of people...it can however be done. We are considering making one with rollers on instead of the bunks

  • @GurjeetSingh-td9ym
    @GurjeetSingh-td9ym 4 года назад

    Is it possible to send me in india

    • @etrailersuk
      @etrailersuk 4 года назад

      Yes Sir please send a message with your full address to sales@e-trailers.co.uk and we will give you a price. Thank you

  • @officialWWM
    @officialWWM 4 года назад

    I liked the part where he nearly fell over 😂

    • @etrailersuk
      @etrailersuk 4 года назад

      Yes...so do I ! thank you

  • @mrhammadmossop1988ul-haq
    @mrhammadmossop1988ul-haq 4 года назад

    This is brilliant!

  • @toffee1889
    @toffee1889 4 года назад

    How do I use the grease nipple ,please. Do I have to unscrew to open it or does the grease gun attachment just push on?

    • @etrailersuk
      @etrailersuk 4 года назад

      Yes sir the grease gun attachment is the way to do it.

  • @TBrownRecords
    @TBrownRecords 4 года назад

    Nice video

  • @TBrownRecords
    @TBrownRecords 4 года назад

    Nice video

    • @etrailersuk
      @etrailersuk 4 года назад

      Thank you for the comment

  • @problemslayer3538
    @problemslayer3538 4 года назад

    The music makes me want to punch you in the face

  • @prawny12009
    @prawny12009 5 лет назад

    Are hubs available with 1-1/16 inner bearing and 7/8 outer bearing

    • @etrailersuk
      @etrailersuk 4 года назад

      No sir only the 44643 bearings which are for a 1" shaft

  • @restorationguy9103
    @restorationguy9103 5 лет назад

    E trailer suk?

    • @etrailersuk
      @etrailersuk 4 года назад

      Yes e-trailers.co.uk....here in the UK

  • @stefanm67
    @stefanm67 6 лет назад

    Thank you! At last someone has explained this properly.

    • @etrailersuk
      @etrailersuk 4 года назад

      Hi Steve - thank you for your comments and glad it was useful

  • @mlawrobertson
    @mlawrobertson 6 лет назад

    So helpful. I was confused because my boat trailer hubs don't have grease nipples but measure 4 inches. They are probably old mini hubs, as suggested by information in this video. Thank you.

    • @GrahamEdwardsTrailersLtd
      @GrahamEdwardsTrailersLtd 4 года назад

      Many makes of hub can be 4" with no grease nipple. Such as the Knott P series.

  • @jonnymac1505
    @jonnymac1505 6 лет назад

    Awesome info, cheers guys. I'm specifically going to buy a new set of wheels/tyres and hubs that I need from you because of how useful this info was.

    • @etrailersuk
      @etrailersuk 4 года назад

      Thank you for the really nice comments on our video - glad it was useful

  • @Fishing_Daddy_84
    @Fishing_Daddy_84 6 лет назад

    Why the fuck r u in the water

  • @collinobenoskey5961
    @collinobenoskey5961 6 лет назад

    Why wouldn’t u just drive it on

    • @majorphysics3669
      @majorphysics3669 6 лет назад

      In some places it's illegal to powerload your boat, especially when the ramp isn't built very deep in. The motor kicks up sand and dirt, and it slowly starts to form a hill just before the ramp. I've hit my propellor on such a hill once, luckily there wasn't any rocks in it, just soft sand that someone else had gone through already to loosen it up. Also, just getting in knee deep and connecting the winch is easier when you are trying to load your boat by yourself (or with someone that can't help you load it)

    • @richardredhead
      @richardredhead 3 года назад

      @@majorphysics3669 It's quite possible to drive your boat onto the trailer at idle speed. Been doing it for 30+ years. Wrestling a several thousand pound boat onto a trailer manually is considered the worst possible ramp etiquette in my area. Takes too long, blocks the ramp, and practically guarantees a lifetime of chronic back pain.

    • @majorphysics3669
      @majorphysics3669 3 года назад

      @@richardredhead while it takes longer, it is illegal in some places like I said to even use the propeller at all. The motor had to be out of the water. It would be bad etiquette to not manually load the boat in these areas. They are far and few between though. Mostly really shallow sandy ramps, concrete ramps are deeper.

  • @michaelventrella9648
    @michaelventrella9648 7 лет назад

    The music makes this epic

  • @stanleymoore8084
    @stanleymoore8084 7 лет назад

    Just satisfied my grey matter very simple to understand thanks

    • @etrailersuk
      @etrailersuk 4 года назад

      Thank you for taking the time to place comments on our video

  • @joeorsi3707
    @joeorsi3707 7 лет назад

    Very clear information. I will be placing my order with you today. Thanks

    • @etrailersuk
      @etrailersuk 4 года назад

      Hi Joe - glad you found this useful. Thank you.

  • @xerkS7
    @xerkS7 7 лет назад

    Could this be the best video on youtube ?

    • @etrailersuk
      @etrailersuk 4 года назад

      Yes I believe it is ! Thank you

  • @madmaxd1
    @madmaxd1 8 лет назад

    but..... you wet your feet...

  • @johnnewson5039
    @johnnewson5039 8 лет назад

    shit hot information video, told me wat i needed to know. thx

  • @DumbCarGuy
    @DumbCarGuy 8 лет назад

    Mine has 64 rollers

  • @mlanders805
    @mlanders805 8 лет назад

    You should be able to launch and load that boat without getting wet...

  • @brucegillespie5130
    @brucegillespie5130 9 лет назад

    Want to know what stress free feels like - driving down the freeway knowing the bearings in the trailer aren't stuffed. So unless you like changing bearings annually, keep them out of the water - very few boats need the trailer submerged to launch or retrieve and the little extra effort will save you a lot of stress.

    • @olebiker
      @olebiker 9 лет назад

      +Bruce Gillespie You have posted this on several videos and it just isn't true.

    • @jarodmorris611
      @jarodmorris611 8 лет назад

      +Bruce Gillespie Show us a video of you doing what you say we should be doing.

    • @brucegillespie5130
      @brucegillespie5130 8 лет назад

      Jarod Unlike the ignorant foul pig that is wmp89 I'm happy to answer. Have a look at www.bearingbuddy.com/why.html for some explanation - but these things will only help you so much. What I'm saying is that galv. trailers and bearings are fast stuffed when repeatedly immersed in salt water. So, with a little extra effort you can get most boats (not inboard ski boats for example) onto a trailer without immersing much of the the trailer or the bearings. Stop when the water is a couple of inches up the rim. The boat won't drag its bum on the ramp as flotation and the winch cable quickly make it come up parallel with the trailer. Have done it on shallow ramps with boats up to 5.5m no problems. You will pay lots to have bearings and brakes on your trailer overhauled every other year and avoid having to worry about bearings falling apart on you.

    • @olebiker
      @olebiker 8 лет назад

      +Bruce Gillespie I would still like to see how you would do that. The bunks on my trailer would still be out of the water if I only put the trailer in as far as you suggest.

  • @mot611
    @mot611 9 лет назад

    bayliner . . . . the worst

  • @harmonize209
    @harmonize209 9 лет назад

    What's up with the music. Sound like Im back in the caveman era.

  • @MrBobchiz1
    @MrBobchiz1 9 лет назад

    one dunk in salt water those rollers are trash.

  • @dperk16
    @dperk16 9 лет назад

    or just drive it on lol

  • @DENMONKEY
    @DENMONKEY 10 лет назад

    Again. this time in less than ideal conditions