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132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy
Добавлен 13 фев 2022
A deep dive into the murky waters of Mormon Polygamy. We study the scriptural, theological and historical case for or against polygamy and look at the historical and modern implications of the practice.
147: Integrity and Transparency - A Response to Brian Hales
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INTERVIEW NOTES ON BRIAN'S OWN WEBSITE: mormonpolygamydocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/JSIII-Inteview-with-Emma-Smith-1879-from-EMD-Vogel.pdf
I WISH I had known about this clip to include in the episode. Listen to Shermer's explanation of Joseph Smith's polygamy from 6:10 - 8:00: ruclips.net/video/x2qwRJT4WGY/видео.html
(This is one of the most cited people in the book -- so apparently who Brian is finding common cause with in his discussion of Joseph's polygamy.)
Study referenced: communities.springernature.com/posts/experiences-with-open-science-practices?badge_id=nature-human-behaviour...
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INTERVIEW NOTES ON BRIAN'S OWN WEBSITE: mormonpolygamydocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/JSIII-Inteview-with-Emma-Smith-1879-from-EMD-Vogel.pdf
I WISH I had known about this clip to include in the episode. Listen to Shermer's explanation of Joseph Smith's polygamy from 6:10 - 8:00: ruclips.net/video/x2qwRJT4WGY/видео.html
(This is one of the most cited people in the book -- so apparently who Brian is finding common cause with in his discussion of Joseph's polygamy.)
Study referenced: communities.springernature.com/posts/experiences-with-open-science-practices?badge_id=nature-human-behaviour...
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146: Consider Yourself as Eve with Meghan Farner
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Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Consider Yourself as Eve: A Guide to Spiritual Development for Women (and the Men Who Love Them), by Meghan Farner amzn.to/41e5jCm
Michelle on Watcher Palmer's Podcast
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"Our Scripture Study with Michelle Stone!" Watcher Palmer podcast ruclips.net/video/YSSd-hfuXPI/видео.html
Where did this week's episode go?!
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The W.W. Blair journal is an important piece of the polygamy discussion. After releasing my episode on it I realized that I wanted to approach it somewhat differently, and that I could make an even stronger argument. So I have taken it down for now so I can re-release a new and improved version in a few weeks. Thank you for watching! I hope you won't be disappointed and that it will be worth th...
145: Talking Polygamy and Politics with Jim Bennett
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LISTEN TO MICHELLE’S INTERVIEW ON JIM BENNETT’S PODCAST! “Was Joseph Smith Really a Polygamist? A Conversation with Michelle Brady Stone” Inside Out with Jim Bennett and Ian Wilks Spotify open.spotify.com/episode/4w9zq5zU2t6wyi5oW7272V Apple Podcasts podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/was-joseph-smith-really-a-polygamist-a/id1682941294?i=1000677116083 A Faithful Reply to the CES Letter, by Jim Benne...
144: Brigham's Masonic Cipher
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Correction: I failed to also mention Nick Literski as a foremost scholar on Masonry and a co-author on Method Infinite. Nick's contributions to this field should not go without saying. My apologies for the oversight. Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Brigham's journal entry: catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/7caa151f-e878-4cde-9dd2-a...
143: Revisiting the Temple with Cory Jensen
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Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Cory's website: www.templeendowment.com/ You can download a free copy of Completing Your Endowment from the website. The discussion on the roadmap that the endowment provides can be found in Chapter 5 Priesthood and Temple Keys. The discussion on the penalties is in Chapter 6 The Endowment's Testimony of ...
142: Hyrum Smith - The Polygamy Narrative's Achilles' Heel
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Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Links: Whitney Horning's Paper: 132problems.org/refuting-claims-that-hyrum-smith-was-a-polygamist/ Hyrum's Affidvait re: Bennett: www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/times-and-seasons-1-august-1842/10 Letter to Parley P. Pratt: www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-parley-p-pratt-and-other...
141: Women's Empowerment in the Church w/ Colleen Kelson Rogers
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140: The Inside Scoop on Karen's New Documentary
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Woe Unto You, Scribes: The Hidden History of Polygamy ruclips.net/video/bLbLQR95zj8/видео.html Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Mormon Polygamy Discussion Group: groups/802526773206387 2 Year Anniversary Episode: ruclips.net/video/1WXFFYd6mXA/видео.html First LDS Polygamist: Joseph or Brigham? by Rob Fotheringham ruclips.net...
IT'S HERE!! Watch Karen's Polygamy Documentary - Click the Link Below!
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Woe Unto You, Scribes: The Hidden History of Polygamy ruclips.net/video/bLbLQR95zj8/видео.html
COMING SOON!
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Please join us on October 10th for a look at some hidden history about Joseph Smith's alleged practice of polygamy.
139: Healing the Wounds of Polygamy with Allie Duzett
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137: The Value of Engagement Across Ideologies
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Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Whitney Documents Episodes: (Links to all documents in episode descriptions) Part 3 - The Blessing: ruclips.net/video/Ihu6lyQgvoY/видео.html Part 2 - The Letter: ruclips.net/video/PDjURE2udVY/видео.html Part 1 - The Revelation: ruclips.net/video/VC7cMo8kd70/видео.html Journal of Mormon Polygamy Announceme...
136: Whitney Documents, Pt. 3 - Blessing to Sarah Ann
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136: Whitney Documents, Pt. 3 - Blessing to Sarah Ann
135: Whitney Documents, Part 2 - The Letter
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135: Whitney Documents, Part 2 - The Letter
134: Gwendolyn Wyne Is Telling Our Best Story
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134: Gwendolyn Wyne Is Telling Our Best Story
133: Women React to Mormon Land - Part Two
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133: Women React to Mormon Land - Part Two
132: Updates, the Temple, and A Way Forward
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132: Updates, the Temple, and A Way Forward
131: Discussing Jacob 2 with Steve Reed of OneClimbs
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131: Discussing Jacob 2 with Steve Reed of OneClimbs
130: Women React to Mormon Land w/ Matt Bowman and Brooke LeFevre
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130: Women React to Mormon Land w/ Matt Bowman and Brooke LeFevre
129: The Whitney Documents Part One - The "Revelation"
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129: The Whitney Documents Part One - The "Revelation"
128: A Long Overdue Conversation with Mark Curtis of Hemlock Knots
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128: A Long Overdue Conversation with Mark Curtis of Hemlock Knots
Jeremy Hoop Still Mormon Livestream!
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Jeremy Hoop Still Mormon Livestream!
127: Panel #4 - Joseph, Emma & Joseph III v. the Traitors
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127: Panel #4 - Joseph, Emma & Joseph III v. the Traitors
126: Whitney, Jeremy & Michelle on Joseph's "Carefully Worded Denials"
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126: Whitney, Jeremy & Michelle on Joseph's "Carefully Worded Denials"
Cheryl Bruno and Michelle Discuss Matt Bowman's Tribune article and Ben Park's Response
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Cheryl Bruno and Michelle Discuss Matt Bowman's Tribune article and Ben Park's Response
Denouncing the FALSE GOD of Polygamy: A Passionate Martyrdom Anniversary Speech
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Denouncing the FALSE GOD of Polygamy: A Passionate Martyrdom Anniversary Speech
Lying is built into the DNA of Mormonism
Emma got screwed.
Something that really is starting to bother me is the culture in our church that we aren’t allowed to read anything that isn’t produced by the church. This narrative published by Catherine Lewis is really clear and rings true. The way the women were treated by some of these early church leaders is despicable. I’m glad the temple penalties were removed. But for 150 years people were swearing to this???! That’s really sad!
I’ve watched and commented on 132 problems at least 1,320 hours the past two years…😎
Ouch. Michelle, Europeans did come in and take land from Native Americans, but NOT initially. The initial Europeans that emigrated to America (US) traded or bought land from them. Huge difference from today's narrative of stealing land. Initially, no, they did not steal. But eventually, yes, that did happen. (I can recommend a book that provides evidence of this.)
@@michaellaw5954 Yes, that is an important distinction. Thank you. I would be very interested in the book.
False
Brian Hales, Jacob Hansen and others seem like nice enough guys but the reality is I do not believe they are in search of truth. Their purpose, along with so many others, is to protect a narrative they want to be true. Honestly, it is understandable but sad. Truth is what we should all be in search of. It is not just empowering but it is what God expects of us. How can we have a fulfilling relationship with Christ that is strong in faith without truth. We cannot. If we truly desire to be one in purpose with him we must know him. We will never know him if we are uncomfortable with truth.
Loved it! You didn’t talk too much!!
Temple Recommend Question #7: "Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus of Latter-day Saints?" Brian Hales is promulgating the false doctrines espoused by these "Rant Lit" atheists. Brian Hales, your Stake President, needs to YANK your Temple Recommendation and put you on probation!
Don didn't want Joseph to have introduced and practiced polygamy, but it is simply the case that he did. The church stands to gain NOTHING from the "Prophet of the Restoration" being a sexual deviant, but they were forced to admit that he married young girls and other men's wives. I can see where your Cognitive Dissonance comes into play.
Brian Hales is to the polygamy discussion as Rachel Maddow is to J6.
“Mom, what’s for dinner? “ “Mom, what’s for dinner?“ “Mom, what’s for dinner? “ “ mom, what’s for dinner? “ Michele, how do you feel when your kids ask you the same question over and over? Is it really necessary?
It is embarrassingly cringe that you think you know the heart and mind of Joseph Smith better than Brigham young did. You also make clear you’ve never led large numbers of people.
Thanks!
This is excellent. Keep dissecting their arguments like this. They have nothing
Did you explain what Jacob Chapter 2 Verse 30 is referring to?
9:15 very interesting about Mark Twain because he was close with Ina Coolbrith, Don Carlos daughter. He probably had inside information.
But I know you are a mother of 13… (Michelle your mansion above is built and waiting for you to move in. And the house comes with eternal cleaning services. I’m the maid…😎)
LOL
I was raised Mormon/LDS as an adult I can clearly say it's a cult.
ONE WIFE - ONE FLESH is out there for polygamy lovers & monogamy lovers to speak out
Hyrum said, "I want to know the truth and be saved." Sure. Before being taught by Young the "saving" principle, Hyrum understood that? After all, it could have been a simple revelation telling the saints to move to say the Rockies, or some other revelation, right?
When you uncover little flaws like this, it really pokes holes in bankrupt morals of those who profess to take upon them the name of Christ. Anyone who seeks to live by the spirit will run away from such and godly things. We need to hold each other accountable, and I appreciate your work in doing so for these men. Together, we can encourage each other and help strengthen the feeble knees that need strengthening. I would hope you would do the same for me, and that I would do the same for you. And we do it for each other. God bless.
Yes, lots of things have been removed, from which great lessons could be discerned. The shape of the woman's veil used to be a square. This is in contrast to the man's hat which is a circle. Now the woman's veil is no shape. This is a tremendous loss. The circle and square have tremendous implications. That is now lost because it wasn't understood.
Wow he is amazing!! Need more of him!
Please let the guest speak.
Having the key words and tokens means being or becoming the right answers. It's not giving the key words, it's being the key words. These are emblems of our sacrifice and experience.
Sadly, Brian Hales had embarrassed himself, his family, and the Church which had entrusted him with a voice to represent the truth. Instead of representing the truth he has used his position to slander people who are on an honest journey to find truth. I don’t always love your style Michelle, but I appreciate your hard work and the fact that you continue to make yourself vulnerable by sharing the truth when you find it.
This man is evil. There's not much more to say.
4:35 Logical fallacy here... If one thing is true the other is not..... This is a logical fallacy, as there are more than 2 options. No hate, just pointing out where to improve
My heart cries .
Several courts said that there was no election fraud. how many more courts do you need? Infinitiy?
Michelle, slow down....
Interesting. Question concerning the zodiac or rather a different zodiac. The Chinese zodiac is also 12 but done in years rather than months. Any relation? Concerning the foot (Cinderella), etc., I find it fascinating that the hieroglyph of the goddess of love, Venus, is a foot, a new "covenant." Remember the many stories of the Cochranites, HCK, etc., in feet washing before going to bed? I think this is further confirming the feet washing coupled with going to bed of the polygamists! Finally, as they said JOSEPH IS THE GOAT! He truly is the Goat! I loved this! They must come back!
I really love and appreciate the way you teach! Your children are lucky (aka blessed) to have you willing to confront issues and find actual truth!
Michelle I started another male perspective on the awful whoredom of polygamy. My channel is ONE WIFE - ONE FLESH. Please leave a comment if you have a minute today❤
I need anyone and everyone to join the chorus of voices in the church speaking out against polygamy. Why? Because God will ultimately not be mocked. And polygamy is the ultimate mockery of Gods law on marriage.
I agree with Michelle's take...RFK Jr is going to be great. Tulsi will be great. I'm psyched about the future and I don't trust Jim to admit ever how bad the Democrats have been. Cheers Michelle--barley drinks on me :)
The LDS Gospel Topics essays were my final straw. The church is the ultimate fence-sitter. The weak engagement to save their face for being dishonest about everything I was told were "AnTi-MoRmOn" lies was heartbreaking. Jim's correct--it's more of a trust crisis than a faith crisis. My faith was never the issue. The dishonesty is disqualifying. And it's not just doctrinal. My family went without insurance for two years so we could afford to buy a home AND pay tithing. Then, I learn the church was using church funds those same years to bail out their private insurance company to the tune of HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!! They are corrupt pushers of priestcraft.
How the church can continue to use Brian Hales as a reputable source of church history amazes me! There's got to be something behind that. 🤔
You are amazing! Thank you!🥰
How much Ovaltine has Brian Hales consumed?
Thank you so much for your research and your time.
Patrick, you leaned on legal term--"preponderance of evidence" sounds grand, but is actually the lowest standard of proof in a civil case. It simply means, more likely true than not. Could be 51 percent. I have heard Brian Hales and other historians use it. Well ya'll are bluffing... Please Patrick, stop pretending historians are holding to the courts high standards of proof--the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Stop pretending you don't lean on the practice of historical consensus--which is obviously out of date.
Church needs to be as concerned about the plight of the “History Injured” as the LGBT plus community.
Really nice of you to kick a guy like Hales when he is on a mission and can not respond.
Oh barf.... the man makes so many appearances on so many channels just to attack her. Holy crap!! Use your freaking brain🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
He could totally respond if he wanted to. Most missionaries do online work, and this is supposedly the topic of Brian's mission. He went on a tour of interviews right before announcing the "mission" that he had finagled to make it look like his statements in these interviews (and everywhere else) are semi-official. I wonder if any responses from him would be any more substantive that yours. It would be nice to see people deal with the substance instead of constantly ignoring it.
@@MichelleBStone how do you know he can respond on his mission? What are his mission rules? I watched him on Book of Mormon reviews and I thought he did very very well. Question Sister Stone: Since PResident Nelson and Oaks have been sealed to more than one woman, is this sealing sinful? Are these 2 brethren rightful leaders of the Christ's church and are in good standing with Jesus for being sealed twice?
@@Thomas123-c1vShe gave him plenty of opportunities and he never engaged, just like you aren’t. Brian has dug his own hole and I’m glad he’ll have more time now to become more informed, unless he uses the time to try to cover up more sources
There should be no shame or belittling of others who have ideas or opinions that may go against the "norm." You spoke of "flat earthers" and I must confess I am ONE. I have done my due diligence and looked at both sides for many years. Common sense shows me many truths that exist in the natural world we live on. For instance: Water always lays flat in a pool, a pond, a lake, a sea, an ocean, there is no curvature to water! Hence, we humans have called it "water level" for thousands of years. Gravity is a "theory," no one has proven it. The "ball earth" we supposedly live on spins over 1000 miles per hour and "chases" the Sun at a speed of approximately 67,000 miles per hour. This is all a "theory" and has never been proven. We have apparently sent probes out in space and all the pictures they give us are all CGI [computer generated images] no real "photos." When we supposedly went to the “moon” we never got a real “photo” of the earth and NASA admits that the pictures we do have are CGI. I have a friend who has a 17-inch telescope and all the pictures of our planets we have are not what it really looks like, except Saturn, it does have a ring. All the pictures NASA gives us of the planets are again all CGI, no real photos! All the planets in my binoculars and the 17-inch telescope look like twinkling lights in the sky. Have we been lied to? Ask questions and find out for yourself what is true and what is a lie! There are a lot of things that I don’t know about the world we live on, but I do know we are not a spinning ball chasing the sun. The Sun, Moon, and Stars are all above us in the “firmament,” not very far away, moving in their circuits and patterns God created and we are on a flat, stationary plane looking up at them!!
🙏😇Me too!! We're all a small group but in the best company. Christ was rejected, Joseph was rejected, BOM prophets were rejected. Truth tellers are usually not popular
I bet Michelle welcomes flat earthers. You both have alike thought process. By the way, Ken... if the world is flat, how come it's night time on one side and daylight on the other but we neve4r see an edge to the earth whatsoever?? When people fly around or sail around(Note around) the earth nobody has had to take a sharp 180 to be travelling the opposite direction? IOW... if the earth was a dinner plate, when you get to the edge ... what now?? Good grief m'man! So when one travels east , at what point is he then going west?? The answer is it never does. if you go east for eternity you will always be going in that direction because the earth is an orb.
You need to do your homework and your questions will be answered. Go to my picture icon and email me and I will give you some information.
@@kencard777 Homework was done by the time I got out of high school. You have no answers otherwise. Tell ya what, get back to me after you take a jet ride over the north and south poles and tell me what you saw. Maybe then I'll consider looking at your 'information'. K?? :>)
Bravo Michelle grest job. You are an "expert" keep up the "honest work." Jacob Hansen's [and Brian Hales] foundation is based on "propagating the lie" [the one the LDS Church narrative pursues] that the Prophet Joseph was a polygamist, and therefore, he [Jacob Hansen, & Hales] is afraid of you. They all fear the "truth" that stares them in the face. The LDS Church NEEDS to REPENT of this and if they don't, a price has to be paid, and there will be consequences for lying and propagating Brigham Young's polygamy found in D&C 132!!! [Brackets added for clarity] !! "And your minds in times past have been darkened because of unbelief, and because you have treated lightly the things you have received- 55 Which vanity and unbelief have brought the whole church under condemnation. 56 And this condemnation resteth upon the children of Zion, even all. 57 And they shall remain under this condemnation until they repent and remember the new covenant, even the Book of Mormon [Jacob 1-3]; and the former commandments [D&C 42:18-23 The LAW and commandments given to the Church on February 9, 1831] which I have given them, not only to say, but to do according to that which I have written- [to have only one wife and "cleave unto her and NONE ELSE"]. 58 That they may bring forth fruit meet for their Father's kingdom; otherwise there remaineth a scourge and judgment to be poured out upon the children of Zion. 59 For shall the children of the kingdom pollute my holy land? Verily, I say unto you, Nay. (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 84:54 - 59) We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, (Old Testament | Isaiah 28:15) For a desolating scourge shall go forth among the inhabitants of the earth, and shall continue to be poured out from time to time, if they repent not, until the earth is empty, and the inhabitants thereof are consumed away and utterly destroyed by the brightness of my coming. 20 Behold, I tell you these things, even as I also told the people of the destruction of Jerusalem; and my word shall be verified at this time as it hath hitherto been verified. 21 And now I command you, my servant Joseph, to repent and walk more uprightly before me, and to yield to the persuasions of men no more; 22 And that you be firm in keeping the commandments wherewith I have commanded you; and if you do this, behold I grant unto you eternal life, even if you should be slain. (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 5:19 - 22)
This felt like an episode that didn't need to be made. You've already spent so much time talking about Brian Hales. So he's reading a book written by a atheist. Don't care! Kudos to you for acknowledging that some of your panel episodes turn into "rant lit" but to then proceed to make this into another "bash the historians" episode was a interesting choice...
Just this one??
Wow! Much to process here. I love the meme of BY and JS (dummy). You need to AI it and use Joseph mouthing BY's words when quoting BY who is saying JS said it.
How should God reintroduce the Divine Feminine into the tribe of Ephraim? Does it already exist in your opinion?
Michelle & Karen: im so grateful for your spouses and families who support you and allow you to dedicate so much time to this effort. I pray for blessings upon them all