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'Gossamer & Smoke' by Edith & The Kingpin.
Просмотров 1032 месяца назад
Recorded live on the back porch. Words: Caroline Cakebread Music: Pete Conner Lead vocal: Caroline Cakebread Vocal and guitar: Pete Conner Upright Bass: Richard 'Hodge' Hodgetts Percussion: Paul Drewery Camera: Lynsey Allett edithandthekingpin
'The Thing That We Call Love' by Edith & The Kingpin
Просмотров 892 месяца назад
Recorded live on the back porch. Vocal: Caroline Cakebread Vocal and guitar: Pete Conner Vocal & upright Bass: Richard 'Hodge' Hodgetts Percussion: Paul Drewery Camera: Lynsey Allett edithandthekingpin
'There's A Painter On The Hill' by Edith & The Kingpin
Просмотров 952 месяца назад
Recorded live on the back porch. Vocal: Caroline Cakebread Vocal, guitar & harmonica: Pete Conner Vocal & upright Bass: Richard 'Hodge' Hodgetts Vocal & percussion: Paul Drewery Camera: Lynsey Allett edithandthekingpin
'I Will' by Edith & The Kingpin
Просмотров 1522 месяца назад
Recorded live on the back porch. Caroline Cakebread: Vocals. Pete Conner: Vocals and guitar. Richard 'Hodge' Hodgetts: Upright bass and vocals. Paul Drewery: Percussion and vocals. Camera: Lynsey Allett edithandthekingpin
The English Heritage Orchestra
Просмотров 285 месяцев назад
The English Heritage Orchestra
The Louth Show 1987
Просмотров 175 месяцев назад
The Louth Show 1987
Louth by pass opening 1991
Просмотров 165 месяцев назад
Louth by pass opening 1991
Alford views and windmill c1986
Просмотров 125 месяцев назад
Alford views and windmill c1986
Alford Craft Mkt 1986 market stalls and music tent
Просмотров 865 месяцев назад
Alford Craft Mkt 1986 market stalls and music tent
Network Cafe on Channel 7 at Immage 2000 Studios 1999
Просмотров 995 месяцев назад
One of a number of programmes produced at Immage 2000 Studios in Immingham during the late 90s and early 2000s. This was a ground-breaking project (opened by Lord David Puttnam) which broadcast on Diamond Cable as Channel 7 throughout North and North East Lincolnshire. Network Cafe featured Keeley Donovan who went on to become a weather and documentary presenter for BBC Look North.
Siren Soul
Просмотров 178 месяцев назад
From the album 'A Secret Never Told' by Marsh Gothic. Available to licence from JAM Music Publishing: search.jammusicpublishing.com/#/album/JAMREC0007/6eb8699fdc65b6d4 Or buy the album on Bandcamp here: marshgothic.bandcamp.com/album/a-secret-never-told
Allegro short version V2
Просмотров 2009 месяцев назад
Allegro short version V2
Jaime Wong, Allegro Appassionato Anniversary Concert performance 30/9/23
Просмотров 8611 месяцев назад
Jaime Wong, Allegro Appassionato Anniversary Concert performance 30/9/23
'Edith and the Kingpin' live at Outfields Music festival 2023
Просмотров 131Год назад
The Edge of the Field by Edith and the Kingpin Music and lyrics: Peter Conner © JAM Music Publishing London Peter Conner: Guitar and vocals Caroline Cakebread: Vocals and percussion Hodge: Upright bass and vocals Paul Drewery: Percussion and vocals Video courtesy of James Kirkland
'Edith and the Kingpin' live at Outfields Music Festival 2023
Просмотров 89Год назад
'Edith and the Kingpin' live at Outfields Music Festival 2023
Going Home by Peter Järnefelt
Просмотров 64Год назад
Going Home by Peter Järnefelt
'Reflections' by Peter Järnefelt
Просмотров 542 года назад
'Reflections' by Peter Järnefelt
'Tears Will Flow' by Peter Järnefelt out now on JAM Records London.
Просмотров 842 года назад
'Tears Will Flow' by Peter Järnefelt out now on JAM Records London.
'A Box of Tricks' by Kinfolk
Просмотров 262 года назад
'A Box of Tricks' by Kinfolk
'Bright Horizons' by Peter Järnefelt
Просмотров 262 года назад
'Bright Horizons' by Peter Järnefelt
'Movement' by Peter Järnefelt available from jammusicpublishing.com
Просмотров 432 года назад
'Movement' by Peter Järnefelt available from jammusicpublishing.com
We're carrying a bomb
Просмотров 292 года назад
We're carrying a bomb
My composition for the #HansZimmerMonth Spitfire Audio Scoring Challenge
Просмотров 512 года назад
My composition for the #HansZimmerMonth Spitfire Audio Scoring Challenge
The Thing That We Call Love
Просмотров 943 года назад
The Thing That We Call Love
Long Distance Love
Просмотров 1753 года назад
Long Distance Love
Shower the People by James Taylor
Просмотров 753 года назад
Shower the People by James Taylor
The Circle Of The Hills: a biography of Alfred, Lord Tennyson.
Просмотров 16 тыс.3 года назад
The Circle Of The Hills: a biography of Alfred, Lord Tennyson.
If I Were A Carpenter
Просмотров 873 года назад
If I Were A Carpenter
Shades of Scarlett Conquering (Joni Mitchell)
Просмотров 8063 года назад
Shades of Scarlett Conquering (Joni Mitchell)

Комментарии

  • @escapematrixenterprisejacq7810
    @escapematrixenterprisejacq7810 4 дня назад

    6/2 manifesting generator

  • @greghulks6544
    @greghulks6544 18 дней назад

    Beautifully performed Caroline, an excellent Joni Mitchell cover.

  • @Peter-ud9bx
    @Peter-ud9bx 20 дней назад

    Poor? With ten servants?

  • @homerfj1100
    @homerfj1100 22 дня назад

    The germs....the bundling boards !

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures 22 дня назад

      I had to Google bundling boards. The least of their worries perhaps!?

  • @petermedcalf1191
    @petermedcalf1191 Месяц назад

    Puritanism had nothing to do with religious freedom. The Pilgrim Fathers were the persecutors not the persecuted. We were well rid of them and their narrow minds.

  • @NormanAlkana-gf5wn
    @NormanAlkana-gf5wn 2 месяца назад

    Its a great song guys god bless u

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures 2 месяца назад

      @@NormanAlkana-gf5wn thank you so much!

  • @BaileyArf
    @BaileyArf 2 месяца назад

    Martin Luther was good example of why the Pilgrims believed in Freedom of religion without government inferring in people's lives.

  • @BaileyArf
    @BaileyArf 2 месяца назад

    Land of Pilgrims pride,land where my father's died. Pilgrims has lot relatives in United States.

  • @Subricaro
    @Subricaro 2 месяца назад

    Alfred is my 4th Great Grand Uncle 💌

  • @edwardfortesque
    @edwardfortesque 3 месяца назад

    Good. Stuff.

  • @sandreoni1
    @sandreoni1 3 месяца назад

    What an incredible story.

  • @catherinejudd7993
    @catherinejudd7993 4 месяца назад

    In my study of travel narratives written during the Great Irish Famine I devote half of Chapter 6 to Tennyson’s visit to Aubrey de Vere’s Limerick family seat Curragh Chase during the Famine. Here -among other things-I argue that The Princess storyline is in part an allegory for the relationship between Ireland and England.

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures 4 месяца назад

      Are you a member of the Tennyson Society? I think you'd enjoy their research.

    • @mckavitt13
      @mckavitt13 2 месяца назад

      I'd enjoy doing some ! ❤

  • @user-TonyUK
    @user-TonyUK 5 месяцев назад

    There is a Blue Plaque at the Boatyard that built the Mayflower at Killingholme Haven, near Immingham, Lincolnshire/South Humberside. From the Boatyard the first Pilgrims boarded the Mayflower. It also stopped at Grimsby and Boston before setting off for Holland. That was the History of the Mayflower as taught to me in Grimsby, my Birthtown, prior to joining the Military in 1976. By the time I returned to Grimsby in 1979 my parents had moved to South Killingholme not far from the Mayflowers construction site. I myself cycled from Killingholme to see the Blue Plaque when I returned to my Parents in 1980, prior to moving back to Gibraltar to live and work for a few years. Now I am retired and live in Essex, a lot milder climate that the Winter of 1963, when the snow was above the Front Door. Tony in Essex.

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures 5 месяцев назад

      I don't think the boat was actually built in Killingholme, more likely Harwich. They actually joined another ship at Killingholme and went over to Holland. There are quite a few myths surrounding the voyage (including Boston's 'ownership' of the pilgrims - although they actually arrested them attempting to 'escape' and sent them back home!) They eventually sailed from Holland aboard the Speedwell but changed to the Mayflower after the Speedwell was found wanting. I hope we successfully addressed these facts in the documentary, although 'facts', as we know these days, can be slippery customers! Thanks for the comments anyway Tony.

    • @user-TonyUK
      @user-TonyUK 5 месяцев назад

      @@musictopictures If what you say is true why whould they have given the Blue (Historical) Plaque to the Boat Yard?

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures 5 месяцев назад

      @@user-TonyUK Do you have a photo of the plaque? I can't find any other references to it? We took a lot of the information from here..www.mayflower400uk.org/education/the-mayflower-story/

    • @user-TonyUK
      @user-TonyUK 5 месяцев назад

      @@musictopictures I left Killingholme Village when I joined the Army in 1976 and when I left the Army I settled in Essex. Now I am a retired non driver so I have no need to go back the that area. I can only suggest you get in contact with the Heritage Organisation that issues the Blue Plaques for more information. Tony in Essex

  • @lw3646
    @lw3646 7 месяцев назад

    I remember learning the Lady of Shallot in primary school, such a memorable poem that had a lasting impression on me.

  • @WhispersFromTheDark
    @WhispersFromTheDark 8 месяцев назад

    Recently discovered that I am a descendant of Henry Sampson and Myles Standish.

  • @LoveLove-gw2td
    @LoveLove-gw2td 8 месяцев назад

    Can you please make a video that explains why the pilgrims were running from England and what religion they believed in?

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures 8 месяцев назад

      I thought we had that covered in this video?

  • @LoveLove-gw2td
    @LoveLove-gw2td 8 месяцев назад

    Words of the Mayflower Compact> ruclips.net/video/p23gF9jQdnM/видео.htmlfeature=shared. The Geneva Bible is also iconic of the Mayflower.

  • @sandywhite4042
    @sandywhite4042 8 месяцев назад

    I've been working on my family history. To ask one of my husband family members ,to find out the American Indian were the ones the people on the Mayflower got to meet. Small world but,still waiting from another family member to see it on paperwork

  • @sandywhite4042
    @sandywhite4042 8 месяцев назад

    I just found out a few years back. I'm part of the Mayflower history. I wasn't sure until I asked one of my cousins. He sent me paperwork to prove I was right. I'm part of Myles Standish family throw his daughter Lucy. Now ,I can't wait to go see where they landed and see the Mayflower. It was in my State getting repaired. Do you think I was able to go . Nope

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures 8 месяцев назад

      Oh no! That's a shame. You must visit the Plymouth Plantation.

  • @mchappycamper7645
    @mchappycamper7645 10 месяцев назад

    I am a descendant of William Bradford. Winslow Churchill, descendant of William Bradford, They were first settler’s in Illinois in 1834. Along with Mercy Dodge.

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures 9 месяцев назад

      Very interesting, I love the name Mercy Dodge!

    • @mchappycamper7645
      @mchappycamper7645 9 месяцев назад

      @@musictopictures You can google her, she traveled from New York, to the Chicago area, down the Erie Canal, with 12 children.

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures 9 месяцев назад

      Such resilience. Do you know of Anne Hutchinson? She lived near us, what a story she has.

    • @mchappycamper7645
      @mchappycamper7645 9 месяцев назад

      @@musictopictures I read about her, just now. Being raised a Christian Scientist, it sounds to me that Mary Baker Eddie, may have picked up where Hutchinson left off, by writing the Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures.

  • @PatriciaPalmer-o3e
    @PatriciaPalmer-o3e 10 месяцев назад

    ❗In reading "Mayflower", I was forever changed. The human spirit in its need for freedom of expression will endure anything.

  • @kellyfrost1052
    @kellyfrost1052 11 месяцев назад

    Please remember "Pilgrims" were not "Puritans". Pilgrims were Separatists. As Puritans flooded into the new world in Boston, the Pilgrims choose to work w/ them but they were not the same! That distinction is seldom maintained today(2023).

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures 11 месяцев назад

      Thanks for clarifying, are you a scholar of such things?

  • @leilaniford3574
    @leilaniford3574 11 месяцев назад

    I am the twelfth greatgrand niece of Elder William Brewster. Christian Nationalism is not Christian. Not in the least. It is believed he drafted The Mayflower Compact. My twenty fourth Great Grandfather, William The Conqueror, The Duke of Normandy, King William I of England. President George Washington is my eight Great granduncle. Robert Treate Paine is my first cousin several generations removed. He signed The United States of America Constitution. His father, my Great grand Thomas Paine led, along with Benjamin Franklin, both, The French and American Revolutions. These are just a few of my relatives. Seems all of them followed a consistent calling. They would never vote for autocracy and much less a Trump.

  • @jaaronfletcher
    @jaaronfletcher 11 месяцев назад

    And what have we done with it?

  • @rickolsonmusic
    @rickolsonmusic Год назад

    I'm descended from Mayflower Passengers John Alden & Priscilla Mullins first daughter Elizabeth. Recently I discovered that my best friend since 1980 is descended from William Bradford, and Bradford and Alden both signed the Mayflower Compact!

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures Год назад

      That's great, quite a pedigree! I was recently in Leiden and visited the house where William Bradford lived, we should make a sequel! Are you a musician?

    • @manymany5076
      @manymany5076 9 месяцев назад

      wonderful, have you apologize to the native American community for the treatment they received from your ancestors.

    • @rickolsonmusic
      @rickolsonmusic 9 месяцев назад

      @@manymany5076 of course

  • @philalethes216
    @philalethes216 Год назад

    Thank you for uploading this deeply moving biography of an immense man. Would you happen to know what the opening score is?

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures Год назад

      Many thanks, glad you enjoyed it. Actually I composed all of the music specifically for the video, all on very old equipment! More of my music is here musictopictures.co.uk

    • @philalethes216
      @philalethes216 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@musictopictures Do you know where I can listen to that specific score?

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures 11 месяцев назад

      @@philalethes216 I'm afraid it's not anywhere other than on a defunct computer and the video! However, I did adapt some of the themes in new compositions, you can look through my orchestral pieces on my website.

    • @philalethes216
      @philalethes216 11 месяцев назад

      @@musictopictures Thanks for the reply. I did check out the pieces on the website, and nice as they are, those sound much more modern and crisp to my ears compared to the nostalgic feel of the more classic theme in the video. I found the atmosphere of the documentary quite moving in part because of it.

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures 11 месяцев назад

      @@philalethes216 I do know what you mean, and thanks for your observations.

  • @aprilgeorge5208
    @aprilgeorge5208 Год назад

    Thank you for this. We are woefully ignorant of what our fore bearers went through to get here. I am 45 and just now learning. Shoutout to my great (forgot how many greats) uncle John Howland for being brave enough to trek away from the oppression. His brother Henry (my direct ancestor) followed and established his brood here at a later date.

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures Год назад

      Thanks April, we all have a lot to learn! Always.

  • @JesseWright68
    @JesseWright68 Год назад

    Religion ruins everything.

  • @shireboundscribbles
    @shireboundscribbles Год назад

    They would have travelled, at least once, very close by my family in North West Lincolnshire (living close to the Trent in the 1600s).

  • @h-deck
    @h-deck Год назад

    Marvelous. Unimaginable hardships. Such bravery and strong desire for liberty!

  • @mccoold6521
    @mccoold6521 Год назад

    Time to be smart lol. This ain’t no Newark bay bridge lol. It is the us 1-9 truck

  • @Tuntee
    @Tuntee Год назад

    The person reading the poems aloud is amazing!

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures Год назад

      Yes isn't he. David Collings, he was an actor in lots of classics back in the 60s and 70s, Dickens etc. and then lots of radio plays. We were lucky to have met him when he lived in our town and he agreed to do it for nothing! I've never heard a better version of Crossing the Bar before or since.

    • @conniekampas7074
      @conniekampas7074 Год назад

      The person reading the poems is incredible. He is a joy to listen to, voice is wonderful.. thank you for this video.

  • @algie-t2w
    @algie-t2w Год назад

    Considering the horrendous poverty of the majority of the British people at this time English poets seem to have lived lives of comfort and privilege. The narrator says that Tennyson was now poor - I think that the common man or woman would have replied that "We should be so poor". I've noticed that those who purport to despise 'materialism' themselves live in very comfortable circumstances.

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures Год назад

      I guess the word 'poor' is not a very accurate measure in many respects, and quite subjective? Certainly Victorian society had huge disparities in wealth, much like today sadly, and maybe forever? Many thanks for watching and commenting.

    • @cosmicman621
      @cosmicman621 Год назад

      @@musictopicturesI didn’t get the ending..the last lines...any illumination for your brother?

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures Год назад

      @@cosmicman621 you mean the poem 'Crossing the Bar' at the end?

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures Год назад

      @@cosmicman621 sorry, you were talking about the previous comment by Alan Gilchrist?

    • @JOHN----DOE
      @JOHN----DOE 8 месяцев назад

      Not all of them. Keats died at 25 in poverty. Most of the poets came from the class who had the money to get a classical education--translating Greek and Latin poetry makes you halfway to being a poet already.

  • @CherokeeBird
    @CherokeeBird Год назад

    I had several ancestors on the Mayflower. ❤

  • @redthepost
    @redthepost Год назад

    Look forward to more stories.

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures Год назад

      None in the pipeline sadly. One should be made about Anne Hutchinson who came from our area, an amazing story.

  • @redthepost
    @redthepost Год назад

    Very interesting. Try to slow down the scanning process.

  • @thomaspatchell1286
    @thomaspatchell1286 Год назад

    Excellent. Great vocals. ❤ love it! Starman

  • @lorrainegriffiths554
    @lorrainegriffiths554 Год назад

    William Brewster and Bradford are my direct ancestors amongst others.

  • @bassManDavis1953
    @bassManDavis1953 Год назад

    Beautiful ❤

  • @MegaVthompson
    @MegaVthompson Год назад

    My ancestors were on the Mayflower❣️

    • @CarlasGospel
      @CarlasGospel Год назад

      So were mine

    • @WhispersFromTheDark
      @WhispersFromTheDark 8 месяцев назад

      Mine as well. Henry Sampson and Myles Standish.

    • @DebraSuttondls
      @DebraSuttondls 3 месяца назад

      So were mine Giles Hopkins and his father Stephen Hopkins.

    • @petermedcalf1191
      @petermedcalf1191 Месяц назад

      Everybody's ancestors were on the Mayflower

    • @DebraSuttondls
      @DebraSuttondls Месяц назад

      @@petermedcalf1191 There is about 35 million people who’s ancestors were on the mayflower.

  • @WilhelmWilder
    @WilhelmWilder Год назад

    Last Christmas I received a collection of his poems from 1870, since I collect antique books. He is now unequivocally my favorite poet. Far ahead of his time in my opinion, or maybe just the right time to influence the people he has. I write music and he has definitely influenced my phrasing. Also, found this cool song that's related to him. Thought I'd drop it here ruclips.net/video/IwRoXr4Msm0/видео.html

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures Год назад

      Thanks for that Wilhelm, I think his status as a Victorian Poet Laureate led to a reputation as a stuffy old establishment poet, but he wrote some very tender and moving pieces I think.

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures Год назад

      I have also written music using his poetry.

    • @WilhelmWilder
      @WilhelmWilder Год назад

      @@musictopictures His poetry to me is extremely raw and endearing, depressingly beautiful. I just feel that not many people of his era spoke of the things he did in such a tangible realistic way. That's why I love him so much. His work will probably never seem dated, it's been nearly 200 years and it still seems relatable and fresh. Maybe that's just me.

    • @2msvalkyrie529
      @2msvalkyrie529 Год назад

      Yes Wilhelm. He was - and still is - a giant . His best work is among the greatest in English OR any literature .. I rate him alongside Yeats and Eliot . And , oddly enough , Larkin .!

    • @QHarefield
      @QHarefield Год назад

      @@WilhelmWilder Relatable and fresh: I agree. Earlier, I was reading why he wrote Amphion. The reason given was that he felt that people no longer appreciated such poetry as was then written. Heaven knows what he would make of what passes for poetry today!

  • @maryfrump7937
    @maryfrump7937 Год назад

    Show your children

  • @VivaCatatumbo973
    @VivaCatatumbo973 Год назад

    I despise colonizors

  • @vpspad880
    @vpspad880 Год назад

    After Puritan Calvinist leader, Oliver Cromwell, received the necessary funds from the Netherland bankers, with the promise of allowing the Jews back into England, he usurped the English throne aka Charles 1 by committing regicide because the king's mom was Catholic and so was his wife. Then, he proceeded to outlaw the public display of Christmas and negate the Magna Carta, which is like our Bill of Rights. Afterwards, he proceeded to slaughter Irish Catholic men, women, and children of Drogheda Ireland and the surrounding counties, totaling 1.5 million souls. He and his followers usurped their property. The remaining captives were brought to the Caribbean as indentured servants. The King's son forced them out of England, so they set sail for America. These murderous, usurping souls were called the Puritan Calvinist "Pilgrims". After the Native Americans helped them to survive their first harsh New England winter aka Thanksgiving, they slaughtered the Native Americans. When they lived in Salem Massachusetts, they conveniently believed the false allegations regarding witchcraft and many were put to death while their accusers usurped their property. Sounds familiar.... THE PILGRIMS WERE A MURDEROUS BUNCH OF ENVIOUS PEOPLE, WHO PRESENTED THEMSELVES AS LAMBS, BUT WERE REALLY WOLVES. THAT IS WHY THE GOVERNOR DISBANDED THIS EVIL CULT.

  • @Jignasty5
    @Jignasty5 2 года назад

    Thanks from Massachusetts, It's always great to come across this level of ind-depth historical content regarding the early days of the Pilgrims. I've visited Derby in 2012 but I've always wondered what towns like Scrooby and Austerfield are like. I awlways imagine them as small quite hamlets as if it were still the sixteenth century

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures 2 года назад

      Thanks Andrew, in many ways those villages still are!

    • @ZeroChief
      @ZeroChief Год назад

      I know I’ve replied quite late but I’m from the area where the pilgrims set off to Massachusetts and my interest is, how many of the locals in Massachusetts know their ancestry or how it was put on the map, would be interesting to hear

  • @lisabagnall5517
    @lisabagnall5517 2 года назад

    This is just … perfect.

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures 2 года назад

      I doubt that but bless you all the same x

  • @rhondaflowers3824
    @rhondaflowers3824 2 года назад

    Colonizers

  • @annamosier1950
    @annamosier1950 2 года назад

    very brave

  • @larry1824
    @larry1824 2 года назад

    Bet the natives wished they'd stayed home

    • @8td8tr
      @8td8tr Год назад

      And the African Slaves wished they never came also.

  • @barnacles62
    @barnacles62 2 года назад

    Everybody seems impressed with the Puritans. Never made sense to me. They left everywhere they were at because they didnt like the rules. They claim they made America, which is gibberish because America was already settled 12 years before them in Jamestown. And even before that, St Augustine, Americas first town ever, was settled 42 years before Jamestown, 52 years before the Pilgims, but that was not English, it was Spanish. Many ships had sailed the Chesapeake Bay to trade with Natives before Jamestown. The Puritans were very ignorant in beliefs, they even outlawed Christmas in colonys for awhile. I hear people say they started democracy. If so, it went like Do what we say, or do nothing at all. Thats not much of a democracy. I sure am glad I didnt have to meet up with them. Id find it nauseating....

    • @musictopictures
      @musictopictures 2 года назад

      Yes they weren't quite the oppressed victims they were made out to be and they certainly could have done more to intergrate with the 'locals' when they arrived (instead of killing them!)