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Amazing--thank you for sharing ❤️

hahahahahah funniest comment i've read in a while!

So you didn't listen or? Do a quick check on conservatives historically

@@jonghistory What do you call a conservative Menshevik?

He's useful to look at for strategy but has been around for far too long and is probably more heartache than he'll ever be worth

He called himself a conservative and then talked about how the government shouldn’t have too much power or control the economy with an iron fist. And from that you extrapolated “communism”.

@@lastx2534 And he congratulated Venezuela for becoming a communist country. Nothing more conservative and pro-free-market than that.

Yeah, he's been great to speak to. He's certainly fine with not playing nice with bad faith actors politically

Outstanding troll. Thank you 🙏 that was the claim we were trying to make and what the absolute takeaway was.

Thank you! 🙏 more to come

Money does not equal purpose. If certain necessary occupations are under compensated, the system in such circumstances should change to a better one. Putting everything up to the individual doesn’t change anything, and will only lead to further deterioration of functioning society.

@@tatsumusic727 have why I added purpose. Most academics are delusional social parasites. It's only the elite that contribute anything to the field

This is like the antithesis to everything noam teaches lmao

@@DUFFAL02 I'm going off mine and my social circles life experience. Most people shouldn't be in academia. I don't care about Noam.

@@tatsumusic727 notice how I also added purpose.

That's interesting... maybe even scary when considering what we do and think and accept without understanding how dark it all is

@@jonghistory I used to work with a Chinese from Jamaica who as a child wanted to be a Maroon.

Thank you!

Glad you enjoyed it!

He quotes an Israeli official when he uses that

@@jonghistorysure but lots of them don't say that and it's not factually true and also is not good for persuation aka the same reason "from the river to the sea" doesn't advance the struggle.

Gaza being a concentration camp has exactly zero bearing on his point, nor are they mutually exclusive in any way. That's just a cheap attack.

@@AndrewTate2Prison well, I think it described as an open air prison with blockades on all sides, walls, and the control of energy, internet, water, imports, and so on sort of does fit that category from a technical standpoint but I think what you're saying is we don't use concentration camp as a sort of jail, we use it as a death camp. Is that where the issue is or? Like, conceptually, we associate concentration camp with the holocaust though it was not exclusively the center for extermination (like death camps). As for the from the river to the sea, that's another one for the semantics debate. Israelis say that to wipe out Palestinians. Palestinians say it for that same reason on the other side. Others use it to call for the liberation of occupation of Gaza and the land returned in West Bank. What the phrase means depends on the one using it but I agree with what you say on it not being too helpful--but that depends on (again) who is saying it, what they mean by it, how it is interpreted, and what the audience knows. If the audience knew more, maybe they'd see the ambiguity...

I see. So you think they're not comparable (as he describes it) due to the difference in development and population density? The Americas had a huge population, and the concept of development is a relative one... I'm sure many of the indigenous peoples had fine lives until occupied and over the course of time put into prisoner of war camps. Norm admits at the start that there's ways to see it and it isn't a perfect comparison, but I'd be curious to read what you mean exactly about it being nonsense.

@@jonghistory Hard to add to what I've already said. Economic damage is a key to the impact of any "invasion-settlement". After the impacts of the initial conquest there were great gains for the natives of North America due to the advanced economics (forms of Capitalism) brought by the settlers. This was far less so in the case of Palestine. I've forgotten the anti-Zionist French Jew who said that there wasn't anything substantial in Palestine after the Jewish conquest that wasn't already put there by the conquered. If we look at the economic impact of the Asiatic barbarian invasions of Europe, all that was 'achieved' economically was rape and pillage followed by a long period which led to a reverse of what happened in North America: the assimilation of the barbarian into the superior ecoomy of the 'conquered'.

@@trackdusty I think I couldn't disagree more on colonists creating this great economy for the indigenous. They did, in fact, bring rape, and genocide to those people. Nations were destroyed. That is advanced. That is barbarous. The population today is almost gone and maybe half in prisoner of war camps still. Even today, our economy races towards destruction. Unhealthy consumer culture...Building of weapons that will destroy us, and others. We ruin the environment and animal populations. We hurt our own people with chemicals... or others if we can save costs from regulations. I think your interpretation of what was set up in North America is beyond generous. Why look so harshly at the other colonizing ventures but so kindly at those in the US and North America?

@@jonghistory "Why look so harshly at the other colonizing ventures but so kindly at those in the US and North America?" Because I haven't here written an essay on the subject. In brief: in most of these Western ventures (probably least of all with that of Rothschildia-Israel), there were great gains for the indigenous in cultural (including economic) advances, enjoyed to this day but very problematically so, had not European settlement occurred. The violent downside (where it actually occurred rather than being grossly exaggerated by previous, far from charitable ruling elites) was largely incidental to the complete colonizing experience. This justification is very similar to that which one can make of Capitalism as a social order in the Western nations and its replacement of the previous social order. BTW, Israeli and other Jews are learning fast that being used by their elites as a cover in return for sundry other benefits has its downsides. BTW, you really ought to take off that black armband ('vale of tears') and try to look at history more realistically.

Sure. I remember seeing videos about what he describes. There were video testimonies of soldiers admitting to things they've done and laughing--not actually caring or feeling remorse. But at the same time (as I brought up) there were the two soldiers on Democracy now that are the complete opposite. I have never gone through everything on Breaking the Silence to really say more or what the percentage of those that care vs not about these crimes and history. I'm sure he'd be willing to move on it if convinced.

​@@jonghistory I really doubt it. Dr. Norman can be quite stubborn about giving credit to the pro Palestine Israelis. But his stubbornness helps the Palestinian cause, so I take it as a win 😅. Breaking the Silence have many testimonies and official complaints filed with the ICRC, for example. Anyway, you asked very good questions; it was an excellent interview. Congratulations!

@@cnmcnm5853 thank you and we are talking again soon. We didn't have enough time to get into more but he's been generous with making arrangements with me. Thank you for your thoughts and maybe I can get more out of him on it

It’s not unfair it’s the truth

Thank you 🙏

Thank you!

@@jonghistory❤

Thank you. I'll check him out. I have a big list at the moment and should be meeting with five more scholars in the next month or so. I don't have too many free blocks of time though until late May and early June, FYI. Thank you for the suggestion.

@@jonghistoryI appreciate your work❤❤❤

I think he would say (because he does say this) we can work for what is needed rather than the unhealthy consumer culture of buying things we don't need. With the wealth, technology, innovation, efficiency, and ability to mass produce... one wouldn't need to work two to four jobs and would be able to work less, make more, and gain more. This is what we've seen just over a hundred years ago during the labor movement as the 11, and 9, and 8 hour work day were fought for. He doesn't like the dishonesty and preying of advertising. It doesn't inform--he does a talk on this. He'd say informed consumption would give you the details of pros, cons, competition, itemized prices to see their profit, and so on. He says they have trucks do tricks with models and football stars. Is he wrong?