I live in the Los Angeles suburbs and am planning to put a 10,000 underground water tank in my front yard, primarily as a source for a residential fire sprinkler system (and an Australian style bush fire outdoor sprinkler system) in the event that an earthquake takes down the mains and electricity and starts neighborhood fires. My tank contractor suggested installing a 12” access well near the sidewalk and driveway so the LACFD would be able to draft it. Any suggestions on how that could be marked so responders would know it was there? (Blue reflector in the driveway perhaps?). The family across the street had a natural gas leak last month that burn down much of their home in a few minutes so this does not seem over the top anymore. This will be permitted so they’ll be able to list requirements but I’m trying to get some ideas for the submission.
Why are there so many unnecessary steps. In the CFA (Australia) 1 man can set up drafting. The suction hose is already connected, always, through it into the body of water, pump on, prime, change to hard suction and tank fill, done
its just a very robotic and procedural way of teaching a new guy. In reality we get off the truck, drop the suction hose in the tank and connect to the pump. This is the book way, obviously we are all familiar with the street way.
There will be air in the line initially that can cause the pump to lose the prime in turn causing your fighters to lose water completely. The open bleeder will pass that air allowing for steady flow of water.
Way too long to do something basic. I believe in following procedures and steps but some of this stuff has gotten out of hand. 20 years ago when I came in things were better, and that's not even that long ago.
Why is this so unnecessarily difficult? In Germany, we get water from drafting after abou 4-5 minutes Maximum with 2 guys. With 5 guys in less than 2 minutes. I understand that you need a larger water volume due to faster burning wooden houses, but why have screw on couplings on every line? We use Storz couplings since 1900. They are fast, easy and universal (no male and female side). US pumps also seem very difficult compared to European designs. Many operations are automized since many years, such as bleeding you drafting line, many pumps in Germany have so called Trokomat, which automatically builds up vacuum in your pump to bleeds the suction line until water reaches the device. There has to be a reason for that, I would like to understand.
Closing a hydrant like that will create water hammer, which will result in the water line potentially rupturing. This happens so often, if a firefighter had to repair the line he would think twice before slamming the hydrant closed.
Closing a hydrant? They’re made so you can turn them closed as fast as you can and it doesn’t create issues. Same with a gate valve hooked into the hydrant
Just imagine this voice barking out following orders; 1. Using right hand, pull on TP roll and take 10 squares of TP 2. Fold TP until nice & tight 3. Put TP in right hand 4. Reach behind & wipe ass 5. Drop TP into water 6. Stand up 7. Pull pants up 8. Zip up fly until closed 9. Do up buttons until done up 10. Flush 11. Proceed to sink 12. Using right hand, turn on faucet 13. Using left hand, pick up soap bar 14. Run water on hands 15. Lather up and wash hands 16. Put soap bar down 17. Rinse hands with copious amounts of water 18. Using left hand, turn faucet off 19. Using right hand, grab paper towel 20. Dry off hands 21. Throw paper towel away 22. Resume normal activities
Those poor, lonely chocks. They should have a, ya know, special job and stuff ... Like you, first thing I noticed ... It's Bakersfield, but still, ouch!!!
I get the impression that this is not a rural fire department. Departments who mainly draft for water save a large number of the steps in this video, including that one. Cudos to this department for training on drafting, as it is a lost art in some departments. This video is a start and a great teaching tool, but for a department to rely on drafting, their operators need to understand what is happening and be able to debug and fix drafting problems as they happen. Just learning a procedure doesn't cut it. When the operator can't get water to the fire he can't blame it on a broken hydrant. Ponds don't break.
There’s two different ways to set up a draft 1 from a dry hydrant that has the thread 2 static draft what they have done here We’re I’m at we have the capability of both but mostly use dry hydrants then trucks will set us a tanker lane and the dry hydrant truck will act as a hydrant as tankers come in
@@1701spacecadet No we don't. Suction hose is screw thread & always has been, old chap. By the way, the bayonet to which you refer is correctly termed a standard instantaneous coupling.
Generally sending tank water is a bad idea. First, you often have a large hose lay. For example, several thousand feet of hose that take a gallon a foot to fill, your 500 gallon tank won't get you far. Second, when you open your pump to connect the suction, that is where your tank water would go. Even once your suction is connected, your water would flow down your suction and into your water source. Third, a skilled pump operator can use tank water to prime the pump if he has priming issues. Fourth, for rural water supply, tank water can be used to clean out clogged dry hydrants.
What the person above me said is accurate, as far as tank to pump being open for a relay operation or being this far away from the fire, debatable. We have a 600 gal tank and our tank to pump line is plumed to do 500 GPM. So if you lose your water source for whatever reason, if your the supply pumper, that 500 gal of water will just keep your pump running a little longer, but your centrifugal pump won't pump air, so it'll only make it so far, and if you have a newer pressure governor, it's going to shut down your pump as soon as it detects low flow or cavitation. Now if you're the attack pumper, to the fire, yes leave tank to pump open, you'll hear it rev up when it's starving for water and that's your sign to get on the radio and tell your guys you've got a less than a minute to get out before you run out of water
My department as a normal when we pull on scene we will use our onboard 1000 gallon to either put out or contain the fire while we set up draft or hydrant.
Okay, as a German firefighter with a 34 year old pump on the engine I have no idea what is happening here. I thought we are the guys with the over-complex shit.
TheEagle1 they're reducing the pressure inside the pump so it's lower than atmospheric pressure (1 bar for you, 14.7 psi for those in imperial) lowering the pressure inside the pump allows the water to flow into the pump. They're limitations to this and this is not the only way to prune a pump, if you have a broken primer, you can circulate your tank fill and tank to pump and create a Venturi effect and draft. In example of drafting in everyday life is using a straw. When you have a straw in your soda or what have you, you lowering the pressure inside your mouth and the liquid is flowing.
@@achilles6312 Yes he knows that. He just wanted to point out how incredibly complicated your process of drafting water is. In Germany we mostly use pumps with automatic bleeding devices. You turn on pump, connect hard suction, give it a little throttle and wait 10 seconds for it to build up that vacuum. As soon as it senses water in the pump it will automatically stop. This system (TROKOMAT, search it up for pictures) is around for almost 50 years by now.
Great video, but it definitely would have been a lot better without the play by play narration. It got so annoying I ended up muting the video. Next time I think speaking normally would be much more appropriate and would add more of a personal touch to the instructional video. The best instructors I have ever met were always the most memorable due to their personalities, not by acting like robots. Play by play is like reading a textbook, its boring and nobody WANTS to remember it.
Good video except for the crude behavior of the guy filming it. You can see him in the reflections on the panel door on a couple of occasions. This makes your department look juvenile and unprofessional. I would recommend reprimanding that firefighter and redoing the video. Like it or not, the world sees this and judges your department accordingly.
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Why he buckled up just for disengage pump?
It's one of the best drafting videos I've watched.
bad placement for the hard suction lines
Also same way when you put it back to the up position
Also he probably grinding the gears you are supposed to pull the pump switch to the middle wait a second then put it on the downward position
Do you have any rust in those fire hydrant locations
All these comments, where’s your gloves, where’s the chocks, the narrator blah blah, damn y’all atleast these boy are out doing something
good
Where's the chocks?
Chock the wheels first.
Any update on the pliers used at 1:39?
He has forgotten to chock the wheels.
I live in the Los Angeles suburbs and am planning to put a 10,000 underground water tank in my front yard, primarily as a source for a residential fire sprinkler system (and an Australian style bush fire outdoor sprinkler system) in the event that an earthquake takes down the mains and electricity and starts neighborhood fires. My tank contractor suggested installing a 12” access well near the sidewalk and driveway so the LACFD would be able to draft it. Any suggestions on how that could be marked so responders would know it was there? (Blue reflector in the driveway perhaps?). The family across the street had a natural gas leak last month that burn down much of their home in a few minutes so this does not seem over the top anymore. This will be permitted so they’ll be able to list requirements but I’m trying to get some ideas for the submission.
This is only a training session. It’s probably Junior’s first crack at it. Hence the script.
Forgot wheel chocks, your truck just left without you :)
Why are there so many unnecessary steps. In the CFA (Australia) 1 man can set up drafting. The suction hose is already connected, always, through it into the body of water, pump on, prime, change to hard suction and tank fill, done
its just a very robotic and procedural way of teaching a new guy. In reality we get off the truck, drop the suction hose in the tank and connect to the pump. This is the book way, obviously we are all familiar with the street way.
where did you get those pliers to open and close the drains?? Those older style pierce drain knobs are a SOB
QUESTION......Why did he open inlet bleeder valve first before he changed hydrant then he close bleeder valve ?
There will be air in the line initially that can cause the pump to lose the prime in turn causing your fighters to lose water completely. The open bleeder will pass that air allowing for steady flow of water.
Way too long to do something basic. I believe in following procedures and steps but some of this stuff has gotten out of hand. 20 years ago when I came in things were better, and that's not even that long ago.
Never put wheel chock down.
Why is this so unnecessarily difficult? In Germany, we get water from drafting after abou 4-5 minutes Maximum with 2 guys. With 5 guys in less than 2 minutes. I understand that you need a larger water volume due to faster burning wooden houses, but why have screw on couplings on every line? We use Storz couplings since 1900. They are fast, easy and universal (no male and female side). US pumps also seem very difficult compared to European designs. Many operations are automized since many years, such as bleeding you drafting line, many pumps in Germany have so called Trokomat, which automatically builds up vacuum in your pump to bleeds the suction line until water reaches the device. There has to be a reason for that, I would like to understand.
This is America and there is rules
@@carlosgaspar-luna1860 excuse me? He's is German(so am I) if any country on this planet loves rules it's Germany.
@@carlosgaspar-luna1860 There ARE rules, old boy.
What state is this
California
Dude, your wheels!!
You forgot to fully fill your tank
Always purge the hydrant
Air bleeder is open on the truck. No air should enter the pump.. can also re prime.
Closing a hydrant like that will create water hammer, which will result in the water line potentially rupturing. This happens so often, if a firefighter had to repair the line he would think twice before slamming the hydrant closed.
Closing a hydrant? They’re made so you can turn them closed as fast as you can and it doesn’t create issues. Same with a gate valve hooked into the hydrant
Just imagine this voice barking out following orders; 1. Using right hand, pull on TP roll and take 10 squares of TP 2. Fold TP until nice & tight 3. Put TP in right hand 4. Reach behind & wipe ass 5. Drop TP into water 6. Stand up 7. Pull pants up 8. Zip up fly until closed 9. Do up buttons until done up 10. Flush 11. Proceed to sink 12. Using right hand, turn on faucet 13. Using left hand, pick up soap bar 14. Run water on hands 15. Lather up and wash hands 16. Put soap bar down 17. Rinse hands with copious amounts of water 18. Using left hand, turn faucet off 19. Using right hand, grab paper towel 20. Dry off hands 21. Throw paper towel away 22. Resume normal activities
10 squares, dang brother you rich?!
Use chocks 2nd. secure truck.
Those are some nice chocks next to the panel.
Those poor, lonely chocks. They should have a, ya know, special job and stuff ... Like you, first thing I noticed ... It's Bakersfield, but still, ouch!!!
Why not leave the basket strainer attached to the suction hose at all times? That would save a step.
Or use bayonet connections like we do in the UK. The only thread connection is standpipe-to-hydrant.
I get the impression that this is not a rural fire department. Departments who mainly draft for water save a large number of the steps in this video, including that one. Cudos to this department for training on drafting, as it is a lost art in some departments. This video is a start and a great teaching tool, but for a department to rely on drafting, their operators need to understand what is happening and be able to debug and fix drafting problems as they happen. Just learning a procedure doesn't cut it. When the operator can't get water to the fire he can't blame it on a broken hydrant. Ponds don't break.
@@1701spacecadet Or atleast Storz cupplings.
There’s two different ways to set up a draft 1 from a dry hydrant that has the thread 2 static draft what they have done here We’re I’m at we have the capability of both but mostly use dry hydrants then trucks will set us a tanker lane and the dry hydrant truck will act as a hydrant as tankers come in
@@1701spacecadet No we don't. Suction hose is screw thread & always has been, old chap. By the way, the bayonet to which you refer is correctly termed a standard instantaneous coupling.
Good video guys that's how we do it in pa im a Jr fire man with reyoldsville pa more videos guys thanks
The more simple procedure the better will b the result
There must b the simplest procedure to restore the water from the positive source fire water hydrant
Turn up the ringence and adjust the compogradience as your turning the smagine tube
Just curious. If you are pumping from a draft would you give water first to empty your tank on a fire or just wait to Draft?
Generally sending tank water is a bad idea. First, you often have a large hose lay. For example, several thousand feet of hose that take a gallon a foot to fill, your 500 gallon tank won't get you far. Second, when you open your pump to connect the suction, that is where your tank water would go. Even once your suction is connected, your water would flow down your suction and into your water source. Third, a skilled pump operator can use tank water to prime the pump if he has priming issues. Fourth, for rural water supply, tank water can be used to clean out clogged dry hydrants.
What the person above me said is accurate, as far as tank to pump being open for a relay operation or being this far away from the fire, debatable. We have a 600 gal tank and our tank to pump line is plumed to do 500 GPM. So if you lose your water source for whatever reason, if your the supply pumper, that 500 gal of water will just keep your pump running a little longer, but your centrifugal pump won't pump air, so it'll only make it so far, and if you have a newer pressure governor, it's going to shut down your pump as soon as it detects low flow or cavitation. Now if you're the attack pumper, to the fire, yes leave tank to pump open, you'll hear it rev up when it's starving for water and that's your sign to get on the radio and tell your guys you've got a less than a minute to get out before you run out of water
My department as a normal when we pull on scene we will use our onboard 1000 gallon to either put out or contain the fire while we set up draft or hydrant.
Always have a full take just in case something happens when ur drafting and the firefighters need water to get out
Okay, as a German firefighter with a 34 year old pump on the engine I have no idea what is happening here. I thought we are the guys with the over-complex shit.
TheEagle1 they're reducing the pressure inside the pump so it's lower than atmospheric pressure (1 bar for you, 14.7 psi for those in imperial) lowering the pressure inside the pump allows the water to flow into the pump. They're limitations to this and this is not the only way to prune a pump, if you have a broken primer, you can circulate your tank fill and tank to pump and create a Venturi effect and draft. In example of drafting in everyday life is using a straw. When you have a straw in your soda or what have you, you lowering the pressure inside your mouth and the liquid is flowing.
@@achilles6312 Yes he knows that. He just wanted to point out how incredibly complicated your process of drafting water is. In Germany we mostly use pumps with automatic bleeding devices. You turn on pump, connect hard suction, give it a little throttle and wait 10 seconds for it to build up that vacuum. As soon as it senses water in the pump it will automatically stop. This system (TROKOMAT, search it up for pictures) is around for almost 50 years by now.
The guy is so annoying and in the way
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PPE?
Oscar Robles maybe gloves but I won’t have any more. Unless your next to a body of water, no real life hazards. No need for bunker pants and coat.
1:14 watch that paint boss. Chief doesn’t like scratches.
Seems a little complicated compared to the last time I drafted out of a lake back in the seventies
Great video, but it definitely would have been a lot better without the play by play narration. It got so annoying I ended up muting the video. Next time I think speaking normally would be much more appropriate and would add more of a personal touch to the instructional video. The best instructors I have ever met were always the most memorable due to their personalities, not by acting like robots. Play by play is like reading a textbook, its boring and nobody WANTS to remember it.
Where's your gloves driver?
Good video except for the crude behavior of the guy filming it. You can see him in the reflections on the panel door on a couple of occasions. This makes your department look juvenile and unprofessional. I would recommend reprimanding that firefighter and redoing the video. Like it or not, the world sees this and judges your department accordingly.