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I noticed 'Upload' as an option in the font control area. Does this mean that we can now upload custom fonts natively?

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Excellent video, Anne. The UI improvements are certainly welcome, but they feel a bit pointless when essential functionality is still missing. For years, the Query Loop has lacked basic features like 'Exclude Current Post,' 'Order by Menu Order,' and support for custom post types. Unfortunately, this update does nothing to address these ongoing limitations.

This is great! However, why is the custom post types option missing? It is essential and a fundamental part of WordPress, especially for many org users. Did I overlook it?

Thank you for the presentation Anne..:)

So basically what I understood from this chat is that there is a significant portion of WordPress users that don't feel heard or accounted for when decisions are made, and when they express their frustrations the answer is a sounding "no", while at the same time claims are made about democratization of publishing. Well, if you're aiming to make publishing more available for more people, why are these users being deflected? Why the only focus is on appeasing only a portion of publishers, those that use WordPress to post articles only? How about the people beginning, who know nothing about WordPress, and are left to guess how to use it because on-boarding is virtually inexistent aside of a few modals that appear in some places? How democratic is that, if, when you install WordPress there is no path to guide you? Why being so reluctant to understand that there is valuable feedback being shared by a significant portion of the users? These people represent them, and all we've got was deflection.

Man, this conversation is just disappointing all around.

Wow, a developer with the MOST contributions to wordpress stopped contributing a decade ago and is still the MOST contributor.

This is really sad news. I am a big fan of WordPress, but hearing the core contributors and the philosophy behind it makes me sad. They seem to be completely blind to a large part of the community that uses page builders and doesn't like Gutenberg. They are only focused on Gutenberg and Blocks. Personally, I think the best decision they could make is to stop all development of Gutenberg and full site editing and focus on core functionality instead.

Probably wordpress do not want to upset big plugin developers maybe because they are their biggest contributors. We will never see ACF/Elementor alternatives withing wordpress.

Can't handle the mis-direction - - so 'on-boarding for the newbie' gets morphed into 'use WP CLI' ? Apparently I missed something.

No core meetup in a decade?!?!?!!!

Thanks for hosting us!

These calls r great, keep them coming

Can we please stop this "Gutenberg is not a pagebuilder"-thing....it clearly is a pagebuilder

"you go section by section and see which one is Gutenberg and which one is whatever pagebuilder" ...if the html actually has section tags, it can only be a couple of the pagebuilders .... Most PGs and Gutenb don't have it, sorry had to mention it 😂

If they still think it’s a blogging platform then why haven’t they integrated basic blogging functionality into it? Social sharing, mailing list management, basic email marketing, managing rss feeds, more robust commenting system, and last of all basic standard smtp functionality so we can add the api keys to popular mailers directly so we get the alerts. You’re saving bloggers from 5 plugin decisions here. It’s frankly crazy they have had no update to philosophy and no wp core meet-up for nearly a decade.

If we wouldn't sell the websites to those "users" they would, in 2024, almost never go with wordpress in the first place. Blogging is used mostly as a way of getting traffic for the website and most of those articles are written by agencies again. We need Wordpress team to focus on the CMS part of the tool and to help us professionnals serve our clients in a better way. More clients for us = more users for them. Almost nobody I know is hyped about Gutenberg, no body cares about that and I am part of those people. I am sorry but I feel like a lot of people from WP just beat around the bush. You know what we need so why not give that to us ? It just generates frustration for no reason. Just look at how WooCommerce feels outdated and has not evolved the last 5-10 years. Just look at the quality of the websites that Webflow people are putting out. Look at their community, how they are all setting the bar higher and higher. I love Wordpress and I really hope that things will change in the future. Just my 2 cents..

I think these days most new clients that use WP, do so because it comes recommended by webmasters/agencies, because all they've heard about is Wix and SquareSpace. But despite that it often feels like webmasters/agencies are the forgotten group by WP: Gutenberg focuses on basic user and if you want anything more, you need to learn React. It feels like WP has forgotten the core group that benefits from a CMS.

Thank you Anne for holding these discussions, they are necessary. And thank you especially for acknowledging people's issues and not being part of the "all is wonderful, there are no problems bandwagon".

Min 57 Kevin's remark, exactly it's like WP is forgetting about webmasters (not coders, but people who can make, manage websites with 3rd party tools, the core audience for a CMS). It feels like WP is saying become a coder if you want any progress on CMS functionality ....but at that point WP is more of a framework than a CMS

Kevin makes the best remark around min 35 and the response about missing dynamic data functionality in Core is.... Become a programmer, so you can use the API 😭 That should have been a main topic of discussion.

With more Core CMS functions we don't mean E-commerce or CRM, but basic functions you can find in plugins like WP Extended or ASE.

Why doesn't WP do polls inside the WP Dashboard, so you get feedback from all your users, instead of just the people who are active in WP groups. Been using WP since version 1 for hundreds of sites ..never been served a poll.

WP's default themes for years now have not been blogging themes anymore, so why not update the philosophy? Seems like one part of WP has accepted the evolution (not just a blogging tool), but then WP thinks the CMS part needs to stay as if it's just a blogging tool.

So to put it crudely: WP CMS functionality expansion is dead for a decade because of WP's philosophy. I hope I misunderstood Aaron, because otherwise this is the most scary WP news I ever heard and actually makes me want to look into a fallback CMS😱

If plugins are the "options" for WP for CMS functions that should be part of Core, then WP/Automattic should develop or recommend/monitor more plugins (and take over maintenance if plugin developer stops updating plugin)

If the "users of Wordpress" are only the clients we sell to, in 5 years time you won't be getting ANY new "users of Wordpress". I'm listening to this and getting the feeling that Aaron isn't listening to absolutely any feedback, he's just thinking about the best reply to PR his way out of an actual conversation.

Anne, just listening back through the stream and what strikes me are many pain points that pivot around where Wordpress is at the moment. You mentioned the issue of having a layout design achieved with one theme and then loosing this with the adoption of a new one. Here is where I see many tricks that were missed over the introduction of the block editor and other aspects of the Gutenburg project. It would have been great if a framework had been designed around the best practices of HTML mark up on elements with all of these potentially editable, depending on the tool applied to them, with all the inherent semantic tagging etc. All builders on top of Wordpress would be required to conform to this, the block editor being just one of these, albeit one that could be less advanced as an install default for beginners and casual users. Turn off one builder, switch to another and, at least to some degree, all content and layout would remain intact. There is a lesser known builder called Live Canvas that persists content and layout in this manner, so it is potentially achievable. This approach also addresses the end users anxieties about one or other tool/builder suddenly disappearing off the scene (Cwicly for example). And if we look to the GuttenBricks plugin for Bricks we see the perfect example of an advanced professional tool is put to the service of producing patterns in a way that doesn’t require the user to have to dive into React etc. Imagine an over all design team in a big organisation (NASA) setting up the main site with one tool (Bricks) and handing on templated parts to the content creators using the Block editor, a good division of skills and labour. I think that if such an approach had been taken there would have been a far greater acceptance of the Gutenberg project across the Wordpress community. The only thing I will say as a caveat is that it’s easy to see all this in retrospect; could it possibly be implemented at this late stage? It would be nice though if it were to be considered as a possibility.

I’m one of those people who do not care to use Gutenberg. I prefer page builders. The CMS portion of WordPress core is universal. Making that a software package and offering Gutenberg as an option to install during onboarding makes the most sense to me. Basic stuff like making it easy to show custom field data as admin columns on the posts pages are low hanging fruit that WordPress could be doing better.

No one loves Indigo?! The future of WordPress in danger! 🙈

The RUclips focus discussion would have been interesting… but I get it not everything can be published.

Loved this ❤. Please make these a regular event. Inviting more people from all sides and retouching base with previous guests every other year.

GREAT CHAT. Thank you all!

Anne you are quick with the blog summary to accompany the video and everything! Thanks for hosting this and including me. Keen to see how this ship navigates forward!

Can you share a link to the issues/PRs for the 'block templates' for 6.7 feature you mentioned?

👍 ❤ Do we have any statistics on the percentage of WordPress sites that use any type of plugin builder or theme builder? We need data and analytics for the all ecosystem too on these talks. (if possible) These discussions are great; please keep them coming.

These kinds of shows are difficult enough to glean from without asking things like favorite color. Ugh. So much wasted time, I can't stick with it. Can someone post a summary of what we got from this? What are your takeaways?

When this new view of revisions will be available for pages?

love to see it :)

I've spent the last 6 months beating myself up because I can't suss-out the logic behind the FSE UI and keep stumbling when trying to do anything. I don't usually watch rant videos but this... ruclips.net/video/8vdKSqkmUKg/видео.html ... is, in my judgment, not a rant but instead an accurate and useful comment on the state of the project. I posted it here because in this session you all avoided this issue like a hot element on a stove.

Awesome!

What a great and interesting conversation! I'm so gutted I couldn't attend this one. There were some really interesting points raised that I was eager to expand on. Fingers crossed I can make the next one and contribute!

A very interesting glimpse into the reality of some of the people who have intertwined quite a bit of their life with the WP eco-system and therefore probably at least partially some of the ethos that makes WordPress special. Thanks for hosting and posting this and for the quality time and thought spent by each participant!

It was great meeting you all! Looking forward to more such conversations!

I only Use WordPress Core Site Editor with my own theme, I start creating theme by Create Block Theme Plugin and go on with site editor I LOVE Gutenberg ❤

I love this. Looking forward to more conversations like this.

Really enjoyed the chat, Anne. Thanks for brining us all together for this one!

Anne, this was awesome. It was great being part of this conversation. Thank you for the invite and I look forward to seeing WordPress continue to grow.