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Praise God! Hang in there. If you would like to talk more and need some more encouragement I would be happy to talk more with you about this.

@@sbaker8971 1 Peter 3:21 “baptism now saves us”…. You “Baptism is not for salvation.” Do you see any contradiction there?

@@SpeakingTruthinLove4.15 No contradiction unless a person uses one verse and build their doctrine on that. Thankfully, we take all of the New Testament and see that salvation comes by saving faith in Christ. Should a person get baptized after they're saved? Absolutely! But the person has already found salvation in Christ. If baptism saved us, then Christ died for nothing. Even Scripture shows several examples of people receiving the Holy Spirit before baptism or not baptized at all.

Thank you Brian. There’s just so much there in that verse. Praise God! I just hope these are helpful for everyone!

Is obeying God a work? john 14:15

@@VerilyIsay2U Obedience is a work, believing what we are told in the word of God is called faith which is not a work. Eph 2:8-9 For we are saved by grace through faith, and that not of ourselves, it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest a man should boast. Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but by his mercy he saved us by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the holy Ghost.

can you explain 2 thessalonians 1:8 then? And your saying if one obeys him its a work, even though john 14 15 commands it?

@@VerilyIsay2U He is referring to the unbelieving people that are persecuting the believers, obeying the gospel is believing not works. Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

@@VerilyIsay2U I never said not to obey God, you said that I said that and that is a lie. Revelation 20:12 says what happens at the great white throne judgment for the dead or unbelievers, not the Christian that has been made alive with Christ. There are two judgments one for those that have the life of God in them, and for the dead. You need to read more and come to realize the difference in the people under law and people under the grace of God, those that have been made righteous by what Jesus did by taking our sin for us on the cross, and those not made righteous by their works. Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Praise God! We could all use a reminder… such a great challenge.

Baptism is part of salvation not a separate thing, "he who is believes AND IS BAPTIZED shall be saved..."

Right, but in the sense that the “rapture” is taught today. Matthew 24:31 is symbolic language of God protecting his people (Isaiah 11:12; 56:8; His 11:12, etc) when he was judging other nations. In this case, that judgment would be His judgement on Jerusalem (Mt 24:1-2, 34). Like I said in the video, 1 Thessalonians 4 is just one side of the story of Christ’s return. When Christ comes ALL who are alive and in the graves (the just and unjust) will come forth in the same hour and some will be resurrected to eternal life and some to condemnation (Jn 5:28-29).

@@SpeakingTruthinLove4.15 Brother, take heed: Matthew 24:1-2 is already fulfilled when Romans came and destroyed Jerusalem before.....John 5:28-29 is explained in Matthew 27:52-53.....Be careful, but as for the rapture, here is another proof in Revelation 12:14....the enemy will be cast to the earth, the saints raptured before the Great Tribulation starts....

Really. These are people who have escaped the polutionsof the world, knew the way of righteousness, but turned back to wallow in their past lives. I don't see anywhere in there that says these people “never had a personal relationship with Jesus.” That's a fable. There are plenty of passages that warn about turning our back on Jesus after receiving him and there turning our back on eternal life. Curious who you would say that the book of Hebrews was written to? And why did the writer warn them about “casting away confidence which has great reward,” needing “endurance, so that after they have done the will of God, they may receive the promise” and not “drawing back to perdition” but continue to believe encouraged them to the saving of their soul (Hebrews 10:35-39)?

@@SpeakingTruthinLove4.15 bcz they chose despite the fact that they heard the truth about salvation through jesus, they went back to follow the law, and thus they crucified jesus for themselves for the second time. by willingly rejecting the cross. show me all the other plenty verses that says that a born again believer can lose salvation. good grief.

Correct! Additionally, First Corinthians 1:17 affirms, "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." So baptism is separate from the Gospel and is distinguishable from it. But, that's only according to the Apostle Paul, of course. LOL!

Good question, but I have a few objections to using the thief as an objection to what Jesus says that I hope you’ll consider. #1. Was he really not baptized? Where does the scriptures tell us one way or another? Before Jesus’ ministry even started, multitudes of Jews (common people & sinners, like this thief) were flocking out to John to be baptized which was the will of God for them (Luke 7:29-30) and for the remission of sins (Mark 1:4). Also, was preaching about a kingdom, which this thief seemed to know something about (Matthew 3:2; Luke 23:42). Either way, we’re just not told if he was baptized or not. #2. Jesus had power on earth to forgive sins (Mk 2:10). At the time of this guy’s death, Jesus was still on earth. This was a face to face interaction. But Jesus is no longer on earth, therefore he has given a new way to obtain the forgiveness of our sins (Acts 2:38). #3. Like Jesus, this thief lived and died under the OT (Gal 4:4-5), which we are no longer under. The NT did not begin until Acts 2, after the resurrection, which did not happen during the life of this thief. In fact, Mark 16:16 was spoken after the thief died, and is a passage, where Jesus is preparing his apostles to preach the gospel as his NT ambassadors. #4. Even if this thief was taken down from the cross and baptized, he would not have become a Christian. Baptism into Christ has a meaning that John’s baptism could not have. It's a death, burial, and resurrection that unite us in Christ’s experience (Romans 6:1-4, 5; Colossians 2:12; etc), yet christ had not been resurrected yet. Baptism into Christ saves us through the resurrection (1 Peter 3:21). Hope they helps. just a few things to consider. Let me know what you think.

@@trinitybaptistchurch1888 no, I believe what Paul spoke and wrote came from God (1 Corinthians 2:7; Galatians 1:11-12; Ephesians 3:1-5; etc). But 1 Corinthians 1:17 has a context. No where in the text did Paul say baptism was not necessary or that none of the Corinthians were baptized, or that they did need to be baptized. In fact, there is a suggestion that all of them were baptized, but Paul is just saying he was thankful he had not baptized many of them (only the few he mentions). What's the reason? Because there were divisions among them over who did their baptizing (vs 11-13, 3:4-10). Paul’s point is that he was thankful he did not baptize many of them, because if he had they might say they were “baptized in the name of Paul” instead of claiming Christ (vs. 13). As far as vs 17, His role was not to do the baptizing (it doesn't matter who baptizes you), but His role was to be God’s vessel and declair God’s message (cf. Acts 9:15). Question along those lines. Who do you think did the baptizing of the 3,000 in Acts 2? Honestly, I have no idea, but at some point I have a feeling it was no longer (or never was) the job of the Apostles, because in Acts 6 they choose 7 men to tend to the business of the church so that they could “give themselves continually to prayer and to the ministry of the word.” - Acts 6:4 (cf. Acts 2:42). That was the mission of the Apostles: to be God’s preachers and ministers of the word.

It destroys people’s reputations, therefore it has destroys people’s lives. When I said it’s “ murderous” I meant murder as in a hateful act.

Just think about some things he says: #1 - The writer says they were scantified by His blood, but they counted it a common thing. #2 - The writer says they cast away their confidence - How can they cast away something they never had? #3 - vs. 32-36 it says they suffered for mistreatment and Paul says they need endurance and if they did, then they would receive the promise. #4 - How could they draw back to perdition (condemnation), if they had never escaped it in the first place? This book itself is clearly written to Christians and this is a warning to these Christians (Hebrews 3:1, 10:19, vs 26… “For if WE sin willfully”) Question: if these were not Christians, then what former days is he trying to get them to recall? Clearly he's trying to get them to bring them back to after they obeyed the gospel and suffered for Christ, but he's fearful that they don't have the same endurance they did before. All respect my friend, just trying to understand the text together.

@@SpeakingTruthinLove4.15 Read my comment again friend, it was broken down for you, very simple in context!

You are welcome. Praise God for His inspired word!

As do I. May I ask what they get messed up about it?

@@SpeakingTruthinLove4.15 because many preachers will teach that one has to be baptized in water.

@@defendingthefaith.7889 I would agree with them. What kind baptism do you think Mark 16 and Colossians 2 is talking about? What do you think Jesus and Paul are saying we need to be baptized into?

@@defendingthefaith.7889 That’s right. Jesus is the one that says we need to need to be baptized to be saved - Mark 16:16. My point is that people will use Ephesians 2:8 as a reason Jesus was wrong or that baptism is something other than water baptism. But here’s where I see the issue lies, Mark 16:16 and Ephesians 2 are not at odds. There’s a harmony between the two verses. Physically baptism is something done to us, and not something we do - but that’s neither here nor there. Because Biblically speaking Baptism is a work, but it’s not our work. It’s God’s work. He commanded it. He is at work as we are submitting to HIs will. God is removing our sins and raising us to a new life. I think where many go wrong i

It's through his blood we are cleansed from our sins. But this isn't an either or scenario. Ananis says thers’s a point in which we wash our sins away - Acts 22:16.

@@SpeakingTruthinLove4.15 I heard you say we need to be washed of our sins by being baptized in the water.

@@defendingthefaith.7889 “ And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” Acts 22:16. The water is just the element God chose, but it’s the means in which He works (not the water) is removing sin from our life (Colossians 2:11-13). It’s our point of contact with the blood (1 John 5:6-8).

@@SpeakingTruthinLove4.15 Paul is recounting the story of how he came to faith in Christ; this verse is a retelling of Acts 9:18. Paul met Jesus on the road to Damascus and accepted Him as Lord with the help of a Jesus-follower named Ananias. Ananias called Paul to make his decision official by being baptized in Jesus' name. The language of baptism in the Bible can be confusing to a modern reader; some passages seem to suggest that we cannot be saved without it. The truth requires a deeper dive into the culture. In the first century, Judaism had several sects, including Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, and Zealots. To publicly show alignment, a new convert would be baptized into that sect. This is why people were baptized "Into John's [the Baptist] baptism" (Acts 19:3): to publicly align with his message of repentance of sins. In Judaism, baptism followed such a decision immediately. In the professional American football leagues, players selected in yearly drafts put on a hat from that team when they are selected. In a similar sense, baptism in that era was an external, overt sign that one had just then and there become a member of that group. The Greek of this passage was translated by Charles C. Ryrie as: "Having arisen, be baptized; and wash away your sins, having called on the name of the Lord." "His name" means, of course, Jesus' name. Jesus' name is more than the sounds or letters we use to identify Him; it refers to His character, person, reputation, teaching, deeds, and everything about Him. To be baptized in His name means to accept everything about Him and agree to orient one's life around Him. Some people struggle with the wording here compared to Jesus' words in the Great Commission when He says, "baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19). Believers should be baptized in the name of all three Persons of the Trinity; here, however, Paul is specifically talking about Jesus of Nazareth and how He led Paul to spread His offer of salvation to the Gentiles.

@@SpeakingTruthinLove4.15 Acts 22:6-16 continues Paul's defense against accusations that he both breaks the Mosaic law and associates with Gentiles. He has described his early life training to be a Pharisee and persecuting the church (Acts 22:3-5). Now, he explains how he came to follow Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah. His accusers show polite interest in his story until he arrives at the point in the narrative where Jesus tells him to give Gentiles the way of salvation. Paul's conversion experience is also recorded in Acts 9:1-19 and reiterated in Acts 26:12-18.

Amen! You’re absolutely right. There are plenty of passages that shows God did the work of salvation, but now it’s up to us. We must choose to be saved. We must choose to endure and remain faithful to receive the end of our faith - the salvation of our souls. Plus, there are plenty of warnings about what happens when we (Christians) abandon Christ and His sacrifice after being saved, we abandon all that Christ’s sacrifice has to offer.

Is salvation a choice that is made by the one being saved?

@@SpeakingTruthinLove4.15 no

So are you saying the person who is “saved” has no choice in the matter? Then does the lost person have no choice in the matter? They will just be lost and nothing they can do about it. Am I understanding you correctly?

@@SpeakingTruthinLove4.15 kinda.. Jesus says in John 15:16 "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you" the lost have the opportunity now to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.. but make no mistake about it... it is God that chooses us that are saved. Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; > and that not of yourselves < : it is the gift of God: we are 100% at the mercy of God.. all of us. to them that believe, it is given.. to them that do not believe, it will not be given. so that is correct to say we have no "choice" in the matter. we can choose to believe.. but its ultimately on God to choose us. our choice doesn't matter... His choice does. anything less than that, belittles God