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There was a cable similar in this video but I cut it out. I swear it was thin like a 2 pair but when I manually traced it.....it seemed to be thicker on the other side and jammed into a hole with other electrical.

omfg yes! so frustrating. I have another probe that it supposed to filter out the 50/60Hz hum but it doesn't really do such a great job.

Thank you :D Happy new year to you too :)

hahaha. Yeah it was kind weird. But no, it wasn't cash. Job was through their ISP. If it was cash, it probably would be more promises rather than actual payment.

I'm waiting to see some cabling hot-glued to something. :P 🤣

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Thx for the comment :) Yes it's defintely an odd solution. I feel as though it was just a cheaper option. Lots of buildings are now getting free upgrades to FTTP if they've already got FTTC. So it could very easily have been FTTP from the beginning. I agree on the less crosstalk and attenuation. I think it also depends on location too as not all houses have a pit close by. One house might be close to the pit and have 20m of copper but the next house will likely have 30-40m an so-on.

@@CommsGuy As someone who has FTTC and (because of past faults) knows where the DPU is and exactly how the cable gets from there to the phone socket in my apartment, I can see why FTTC would be easier and cheaper to install (no need to have to come into individual apartments and install FTTP equipment, no need to somehow fish cables through the walls etc). It also means not needing to deal with landlords/owners in the case of rentals.

Here in British Columbia (western Canada) most of the urban areas had ADSL from 2000 onward. Originally up to 1.5 Mbps then later up to 6 Mbps. They overlaid the copper network with VDSL2 in 2010/2011, which offered up to 75 Mbps (150 using two pairs) I guess this would be classified as FTTN, and they are powered via ±190VDC over many pairs back to the central office. I believe much of the equipment is Alcatel-Lucent 7330 ISAM. In 2017 they started building a new FTTP network. Most urban areas now have fibre but its far less common in rural areas. Originally just GPON but they've also been deploying XGS-PON for the faster tiers Most of the outlying areas around my city are still only served by ADSL (6 Mbps theoretical, 2-4 Mbps actual) I had to install a wireless bridge over several km to get usable internet to my CEO's house. Fortunately it seems that this year they've started hanging fibre in a few of the rural / farmland areas, so with luck we will get it here in 2-3 years.

Yeah, if I could go back in time.....I would have just done it.

hahaha, happens to all of us :P

Thank you. Finally someone that agrees :D I started checking it first after being on a job and fumbling around checking sockets and finding nothing wrong, check ceiling space.......nothing wrong. Finally found an outside box and BAM! that was the problem. Didn't help that the home owner had painted it the same colour as the wall & it was under the eaves. If you didn't know it was there, you'd never see it. It blended in so well.

From what I'm told by the customer, it never worked well at all. Sometimes they'd get connection but it would constantly drop out so they'd move the NTD to a downstairs socket but wouldn't get any improvement. Apparently a few days before I went, it had just completely stopped altogether. I'm not a fan of sales reps. Too many times people have been promised great speed/performance but they never get it because sales don't actually understand any of the tech side and only go by specs/paperwork. I see that all the time.

These can sometimes work at low speeds for a little while before dying completely. It's not that they degrade, it is more network upgrades at the other end of the copper, be it hardware or software, can make it more sensitive to wiring issues, which can make or break the connection completely. Copper does degrade over time, but it takes many years for copper and insulation to degrade to a point where it is no longer usable. Usually it is the insulation that breaks down

@@EsotericArctos Yep makes sense. That’s why it confuses me - the cabling wouldn’t degrade so fast (if at all) that it should affect anything in such a short span of time (with most people probably only getting switched over to NBN within the past decade or so). So ergo me wondering, what does cause it to go from working atleast well enough for people to not complain, to it working poorly enough that they do, or outright not even working at all. You’re probably right, if it’s because of changes elsewhere on the infrastructure. Though, the point of FTTN/FTTC is to make the copper shorter and shorter, so .. Not much changes there? Weird.

@@rakeau Another reason is the type of cabling. The old copper lines were CAT3 and installed for Voice only. Then came DSL which wouldn't usually exceed the 10Mbit rating of CAT3 cables. Then NBN came along and started pushing 50 to 100 Mbit down those same cables. So I believe it's the speed and the frequency as well as the bandwidth of the cables which cause more problems than decades ago when it was just pure Voice lines.

@@CommsGuy Yeah ofcourse. Would just think that, if it worked in some capacity (eg if you were getting say, steady 20mbit) then it shouldn’t just drop to 10, then 5, then 2, then 0 after just a couple years with no physical changes to the cabling. But, I dunno it just seems to happen.

Yes I have heard the same. One customer had that very experience where for the new connection to be active, there would have to be data flowing to initiate the changeover. Sounded weird to me.......how can data flow to change over the connection if the connection isn't fully active. But I get it now.

Thank you :)

Yeah there IS a demarc, which is the MDF, but so many go either beyond the boundary (which they shouldn't) or just barely get to the boundary. Seems to fall on how lazy the installer is. hahahaha.

ah you too had to deal with 'theres some old british telecom shit in the boiler cupboard' >

'finds actual pabx behind a newly fitted water cylinder

Yeah I love the copper. So much easier to work out where lines are and where they're going. As well as tracing with tone and probe devices. The double punch definitely would have been from the analog phone days and probably would have potentially made a "bride tap" issue as well. Sorry if it was hard to follow. On this particular job there were a lot of people I had to cut out and it can be hard to make commentary while thinking about whats going on & talking with the customer etc...

omg I can't imagine if it were.......

Hopefully yes. That would have been a lot better to have cat6 on this one. Thx for watching :)

@@CommsGuy Thanks for the great video again! Love your NBN video's. Back in the day i had a summer job, cabling end testing DSLAMs at MDF in central hub locations of the national provider here. Now i'm a expert network designer at the biggest cable provider in NL.

@@svdleer That sounds like a cool job. Thanks, I'm really trying to get more work involving NBN as I really enjoy fixing their issues :P :)

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​@@CommsGuynot sure why anyone would miss the old system. It was painfully slow

This ones in the Cisco device? I've no idea. I presume some telephones but who knows with this place :P

Thank you :D

I thought as much. Just a weird spot to put it. Also this is an MDF not an IDF so it makes it stranger to me. Especially since this was a small centre with multiple shops.....so who is the ipecs system for?! Can't wait for someone to get angry with old equipment and disconnect it. :P

@@CommsGuy then find out it has one line still active, doing an ever so vital alarm circuit everyone forgot about ;)

MANY years ago (embarassingly many, think 80s) I cut a dead alarm cable on a demolition site at the university I worked for... 20 mins later the fire brigade turned up to put out the fire in the building that wasn't there anymore.... I didn't get in trouble, maintenance control, were supposed to have disconnected (in software) that alarm. Someone hadn't

🤣🤣 Wow, i thought I was the only one who knew about TCA forms!!! lol :P

@@CommsGuy Yes its part of the legislative requirement. Also there is a TCA2 form which is attached to TCA1. TCA2 form is for registered cablers to alert customers or building manager for any non compliant cable installations that are outside the contracted scope of work. Times have changed, no one gives a shit anymore they don't bother. I just kept them for backup into my report for just in case scenario. One tip take plenty of pictures. Now I will go and enjoy my retirement and tell ACMA and registered cables authorities to get fucked.

@@rubhern8187 I write them up with both the TCA1 and TCA2 but you're right that no-one gives a shit. People mostly just throw it away one you leave. It's really just for covering your own ass these days.

Thank you. You've hit the nail right on the head there and don't even get me started on those damn electricians. The amount of garbage work I see from them is unimaginable. I remember talking with one of them who was doing MDF jumpering and literally told me that he "doesn't know anything about telecommunications". I think I was paralyzed with rage after hearing that. In one of my previous videos (CCTV) I got mad because the customer talked about me on the phone and called me an electrician....words hurt. :P You are right of course with the horrendous work from people, I have so many mind blowing stories about that kinda stuff. Thanks for the sub and the thumbs up. :D

Thank you. I got a lot of crap and lost further work from the ISP for not doing it. Good to have someone agree with me :D 👍 I went back to the site and had a sneaky look. Someone had cut a large section out of the side to put conduit through. Personally, I would have gone from underneath as there was more than enough space to get conduit into the box.

@@CommsGuy They were probably just looking for the lowest effort option and went through the side, anywhere else was probably too much effort.

@@ERGTZ Agreed. I'd rather do more hours than I charge for and make it good and long lasting than to do that kind of work.

Thx for asking. No it was a house that had 5 or 6 phone sockets on the one incoming pair.

My house hasn't got fibre yet from the open reach network so still common to see this. Luckily an independent has sprung up giving fttp. Alot of the problem Is all our utilities are in the ground so the cost to upgrade is expensive.

Hehehe, cool. The full name of them here is "ScotchLock" but I just like to call them Scotchies. :P :) It's cool that someone in the UK has watched this video, thankyou :D

RUclips won't let me post what I call them 😉 also in the uk

@@nakchAk Hahaha, Fair enough.

ah damn. I didn't realize when editing. Thanks for pointing it out.

@@CommsGuy no worries it's not super readable but I think if I tried hard enough I could probably interpret it.

Not much somebody could do with it anyway.

Awesome! I did the same thing. In fact I've made 2. I'd encourage anyone to make 2 as well, 1 RJ45 with all 8 wires crimped so you can choose any 8 wires for your tone but also an RJ11 plug with 2 wires so you can test phone sockets as well. :D

@@CommsGuy Yeh. Good idea re: the RJ11. I HATE trying to trace ports when something is already connected to them. Nothing worse than using the RJ11 connector on the keystone and asking "What's on the end of this? Oh, it's bloody active!" BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPP. Now i can whistle it out with 1 wire! Good onya! :)

@@lloydsshednanigans Yeah it's absolutely changed my site visits now. Previously if the other end was connected to a PC or switch then the CZ100 would beep indicating a short circuit but just using 1 wire now.....is perfect.

@@CommsGuy I'm semi-retired now but there's one larger job that I've been putting-off because almost every patch-panel port has something on it and it's a bugger to trace. I might use this method and re-map the entire thing.

@@lloydsshednanigans Excellent. Sounds like it would work with that scenario. Best of luck with it :D

Yes it really was. Not sure if it shows in the video but I believe I left it neat and with all cables neatly routed in the box in-case they want to use a different socket in the future. Thanks for watching and commenting :D

Oh yeah, test adsl was easy. Listen for dialtone :P This dsl tester was about $600AUD. Which believe it or not.....was cheap, compared to other testers. It is a good tool, but can be confusing to use. I'm planning to get a different one with a large colour screen, if I do then I'll probably make a video on it too :) Thanks for watching and commenting :D

@@CommsGuy maybe a demo of your current one? Can it test the copper side of fttc? I fix computers for a living and diagnosing internet issues is a major part of my work - I'm fairly good at skipping the "have you done x" part of the phonecall to the customers provider and going straight to get a tech out/replacement device needed part of the call.

@@voltare2amstereo hehe, it's great but also annoying when you've already done the ISP checklist before calling them :P I've never tried the DSL tester with FTTC, only FTTN. I believe FTTC is still VDSL2 so I guess it would probably work.

Hehe, yeah it was kinda dodgy. But it was only to stop the ladder from sliding away while I was on the other end of the roof. Mainly because I was working alone.

Based on your comment, I'd say someone is playing keep away with your intelligence. 💩💩🖕🖕

Thx for commenting :) Sounds like they're common in the US. I can see why, I think they're great!

Glory hole faceplate

Faceplate for a Cat6 socket. Video was only for showing the mounting bracket because it's very rare in my country.

@ImBuanana Hahaha. stick your tool in and find out. 😂😂

I disable them to avoid all the toxicity and negativity that I experience on just about every other platform. Although I seem to have forgotten on this one :P