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I'm trying to figure out that same thing

Do you have details about how the MPC meters are calibrated? The B6 meter clearly has ample headroom but it was the MPC meter that was showing clipping when the MPC registered “above 0”. When the MPC shows 0, the resulting imported track in Logic was showing 0 as well. This is the part I am confused about. Let me know what you think is going on here.

I watched it again, when the B6 master hits red, that’s when the MPC shows above zero clipping. So it’s actually pretty correlated - red on the master B6 = red on the MPC. In retrospect, that’s not “super sketchy” at all as I said in the vid. Thanks for making me watch it again. The relevant section of the B6 manual is: Appendix B ADC and DAC Converter Alignment Level 0 dBFS +24 dBu When the B6 meter touches red at +24dbu, the ADC hits Full Scale, and the MPC sees 0dbFS.

@@brandonlewis5444 Well I was partly wrong and you were partly wrong. The big six mix bus does not clip at 24dB. The big six mix bus has 27dB of headroom. The mix bus clips at 27dB, the channel line amps clip at 27dB, the channel EQs clip at 27dB, the channel compressors clip at 26dB, the mic amp clips at 27dB, the stereo line ins have 27.5 dB of headroom before clipping, etc. Only the ADCs clip at 24dB. So I was correct that there is about 3dB difference in headroom between the analog paths of the mixer and the converters.

@@brandonlewis5444 Regardless... you should NOT be coming into your converters that hot. You generally want at LEAST 6dB of headroom for mastering. You will start getting harmonic distortion as you hit the yellow meters which becomes noticable i n the last 3dB of headroom especially since transient peaks can easily clip. I try to keep the peaks of my mix at 15dB which leaves plenty of headroom for mastering. When mastering I come out of the big six at about 21dB and software limiters to bring the overall volume up once I've printed through my hardware inserts

Of course, the pops and clicks are caused by the MPC not having a selectable buffer rate. I've owned the big six for over a year and I never get pops and clicks with my MPC. Since getting my Big Six I've only used my MPC live in controller mode since the MPC support for external interfaces is absolutely atrocious and the MPC standalone converts sound like muddy shit when compared to the converts on the B6

How did you get it to work on iPad I tried it doesn’t on my iPad Pro, and ssl said they won’t support iOS.

Ditto. How?

Not sure I understand why you say this. Both the individual channels and the master bus of the B6 had plenty of headroom. Can you explain why it matters? If I hit the same overall level how does it matter if it’s achieved with the master fader at zero or not?

@@brandonlewis5444 Mixing 101. Normally....you set the Master Channel on a mixer to 0 dB. No need to touch it. Your overall levels don't need to come anywhere near 0 dB.

@@brandonlewis5444 It matters because of the board's ADCs and DACs. On pretty much every converter (except for the converters that are designed to be driven like Burl etc or converters that incidentally sound good driven like the S950 etc), you ideally want to leave around 12-18dB of headroom for the most true to the source sound. Your channels are coming in just under peaking; that's way too hot. With that in mind, my recommendation would be to turn the programs down in the MPC. With the channel fader at zero, channel levels should be hitting the meter around +6 for sustained sounds and around +12 for drums. Then you have your 12-18 dB of headroom on the channels and you should end up with at least 6-9dB headroom on the master before you even touch the fader. Now if you want to juice the levels for some flavor, then do that in the analog domain where it sounds good. Push the channel faders, crank EQs, add compression, etc, and then pull back on the master fader before it hits the ADC to get a good level going back into the MPC for bouncedown.

@@billbillbeatsthanks for the time and constructive reply. A lot of these MPC sample libraries have been normalized samples and they are hot AF in the MPC.

Subscribed! Looking forward to those videos playa!

Good question. I’ve had others interested in this and some that suggested the interface might fall apart with multi-play back and multi-record. I’ll try to come up with some example and make a new vid on this. Got a busy month coming up, so it may be a bit.

@@brandonlewis5444 What are you talking about "the big six might fall apart with multi-playback and multi-record". Stop plugging your B6 into your MPC if you don't want to have problems. I've never had an issue recording multiple tracks while simultaneously outputting audio to other tracks. It's kinda stupid to multi-record on the MPC though since the MPC audio tracks are so weak. I prefer to first record my midi into the MPC and then use the sampler to record any audio output from my keyboards. You could use audio tracks as well but make sure your MPC is not truncating the sample when the sequence ends. I prefer to multi-track record from Logic which is where all my MPC projects end up when I'm ready to "finish" them

@@CharlesPantoga slow your roll dude :-). I did NOT say anything about the Big Six falling apart - don’t quote me saying that in the comments. . I offered to make a video for a viewer that requested it.

No, no it's not. Doing all that sweet analog processing only the record it back into the mpc is counterproductive.

@@Craftmaster3 This will be perfect for me I track everything out to the computer manually through gear into Logic Pro. No knock on anyone else I just like my meal cook a certain way. This is the way

@@maximustheproducer yeah for sure, that makes sense. The shit he's doing in the video is weird as hell.

@@Craftmaster3 yeah I’m not sure how he’s using it for the final mix. I’m just using it to exploit its total output cause it 24Dbu at 0Dbfs, better than any interface I’ve found online for under 3grand. The Neumann MT 48 is 24Dbu but it’s 2grand so might as well grab a used BiG SiX for around 2200 and that way I’ll have 2 stereo channels with compression and 6 with eq. And to think I already have a SiX. I’m just a mad scientist 👨‍🔬 or I’m just a gear junky! Either way I’m having fun with this new tech! What a time to be alive! This is the way. Peace ✌🏽 bro!

⁠@@Craftmaster3 LOL. Yeah it’s weird. I acknowledged this in the middle of the video. I made the vid for people who want to use this pair in a DAWless fashion and made it to answer questions I couldn’t get answers to online. I bought the stuff and answered the questions that no one bothered or could answer. I read about this stuff for month searching for a definitive answer and couldn’t find one. For me personally, I use the MPC as an inspiration machine and as a writing tool and transfer stuff to the DAW for finishing.

Had to rewatch - Seriously game changer

Nice. Good/better tip.

I’ve been happy with the converter quality. I don’t have golden ears though. I do have it aggregated with Apollo FW8 and another Apollo 8 TB and nothing has leapt out or stuck out to me that they are better or worse. If I were to guess I’d say more detailed, but really it’s kind of out of the way and you just make music. I wasn’t that bothered or jazzed that it had converters itself, but after using it I think it’s a big deal. I can take this to a band’s house and track the whole band with one USB cable.

Thanks for watching and commenting. Unfortunately I toasted the mix with levels too high. I have made another one from the same saved project with 4x the sequence length. Will link it soon.

@@brandonlewis5444 cool, see U ✨

@@melokit-music sorry about this, but RUclips won’t let me post an external link without a pic of my driver’s license, passport, or 30 sec video of my face! I’ve put the mix link in the Gearspace thread called “SSL Big Six” in the Electronic Music Production forum.

But the mpc doesn’t change to 32 audio track recording right? So you only have 8 tracks. So if you wanted to track like 16 sounds individually, you’d have to make a duplicate of the song and do it in 2 passes?

Looks like 10.14.6 Mojave on Mid 2014 MacBook Pro. I think this OS supports 32bit apps. As soon as you upgrade to their OS that only supports 64bit apps, you’re screwed.

@@brandonlewis5444 Thank you!

Leo.saucedo1@gmail.com

I’d be happy to send you the patch. But their are a lot of MIDI modules present in G2 that aren’t in G1. I can’t recall if the G1 had the ability to send mappable CCs. I can always just send it for reference too.

Hahah! Still, creds for the effort :)

The MPC Live _can_ record external MIDI messages. In my first video, I did just that by recording the Virus adjusting its filter externally. ruclips.net/video/2OCKEQZngpk/видео.html

yea I watched it ,the mpc didnt reflect the right midi cc the way akai want you to do it is by assigning a midi cc on the live and automate from there

Actually, the MPC did reflect the correct MIDI CC when it was automated from the Virus hardware (first video). #40 is the Virus's Filter 1 Cutoff which is what I was tweaking. The MPC does not know to put the text "Filter 1 Cutoff" on the screen, but MIDI CC #40 is the right MIDI CC.

does it show as an automation lane in the controller mode?

It does. I can see two MIDI CC channels that have been independently recorded in Controller Mode. On Standalone Mode, you can only see and adjust Velocity. I don't see why they couldn't add the MIDI CC values in standalone to the automation lanes. That would be cool if they did. Even in Controller Mode you can only view one automation lane at a time, so no real issues with doing the same in standalone.

I've checked the virus patch I was using and rerouted the MIDI out to my MOTU MIDI box. Using Midi Monitor, I can confirm only CC is being sent and its the Balance (fine) CC (CC #40 I believe). Of some note, I've sent Prophet-6 NRPN messages to the MPC Touch and software v1.9.6 and it did not cause any issues and I confirmed with MIDI Monitor that they were NRPNs. Good suggestion, but I don't think that's part of the problem here.

maybe the virus send nrpn only when you move a knob initially

NRPN vs CC is typically a static setting. I've never seen a synth dynamically change modes unless the user edits some kind of global midi configuration.

its also multitimbral maybe the filter is working globally

Thanks for suggesting other variables. In this demo, the Virus is in Single mode. I have recorded multiple MIDI track driving a Multi Virus Program too. It works. Single vs Multi is not a factor in this test. In fact, in my second video where I replicate some of the behavior, the Virus isn't even on, you don't even need a MIDI device connected to demonstrate the some of the unexpected behavior.. The filter isn't global. In Multi Mode on the virus, each of the 16 parts has its own filter.

That is a good tip. Doing that DOES change the behavior, however, I've already detected a bug with that too. Setting the Q-Link to "not touch sensitive" and relative, I can corrupt the MIDI CC data by simply touching and releasing the touch of the Q-Link (not turning, just touching).

Hmm seems they need to sort things out then. I don't have a live yet but read the manual over and over ;-)

I'm not really stoked about the defaults for the MIDI program's Q-Links being the opposite of what I'd want. If I have to actually use these controllers, it's like a little chore to go into MIDI Control and undo the defaults. Who in the world wants "Breathe on it and it gets nuked!" as the default setting? :-) I think the defaults of Touch sensitivity ON and Absolute are probably only good for sending MIDI Notes when touching the Q-Links. Also if you put them in Touch/Absolute mode, as soon as you touch it, it goes to zero. No matter what you set the min/max CC values to, the very first time you enter Program Edit for these, the very first time you touch a Q Link who has Touch enabled, the value goes to zero - even if your min/max settings are 127/127. It's repeatable, just switch to another screen, then back to Program Edit, touch the Q-Link and the value goes to zero. Useless defaults if you ask me. I'm sending them a bug report on this.