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There is a steep learning curve to get a system going, so waiting until you reckon you might be ready for it is not such a bad idea...

Super glad it was helpful :-) Have fun zetteling!

Hi, thanks for your encouragement! I’m glad to be helpful, I’ve tried to make the kind of video I wish I had when I started. There’s a steep learning curve but once you’ve got your head around a Zettelkasten it is very rewarding

Hi, the main use of my analog zettelkasten is thinking and reflection. I read to learn and grow, the process of writing cards and linking is a big part of that. I do produce content as a part of my role as a pastor. This content is enriched because I've practised thinking and reflecting through writing cards, and sometimes what I've written on a card will be reproduced for others. I randomly write blog posts from things I've written on cards and very occasionally write essays for myself if I want to get my head around a topic or issue. However, my main goal is to think and learn and reflect. In the future, I may study again, at which point my zelttelkasten would be invaluable.

Hi, Thanks for the question... The subject markers (the manilla dividers) are not related to the numbers at all. They mark the basic area that a subject is, so that it can be found quickly for linking The numbers are entirely seqential. For example, card 122 might have 122.1 as a linking card to something else and card 122.2 as a reflection on the main card... and then, I'd read a different book and so the next card would be 123, 124, 125 etc I started like this for three main reasons: 1. back in 2020 when I started I didn't know enough about the traditional Luhmann numbering system to understand or implement it 2. and, since then, I've kept what I'm doing because essesntially the vast bulk of my reading is 'humanities' in terms of academic disciplines, so it makes sense to me to just have sequential numbers 3. and, three, doing it like this makes more sense to me, so, given that this is a thinking tool, not an exact replica of a Zettelkasten, I'm gonna stick with it Shoot through any other questions!

@@dave_hayes ok, so if you are writing a new card and need to number it where to you look to find out what number you are up to? I ask because your previous card could be in on of the several different category sections.

The new card would always be the next number... So, if for example I was writing about Cognitive Behaviour Therapy on cards 50-65 and then a few months later (after reading other things) read a different book on CBT, I'd start writing cards at 84 (or whatever it is) and link back to cards 50+ or other things I've recorded. If a the new book clarified, opposed, developed a point already recorded in a way that blew my mind, I'd record that on card 52.1 (for example) and the return to card 84+ for the rest of that book as an aside, I might take 10+ A6 pages of notes on a book, but only Zettel 5-12 of those notes... You only record the real gold in the Zettelkasten itself

Glad I can helpful :-)

Hi, Thanks for the encouragement! I'll have a crack at your questions: 1. Re linking: It depends on how much time I have for Zetteling... so if lots of time, I'll write the cards and find the links and install in the box all in one session... if not much time, I'll seperate the writing and the linking... I'll just keep those cards in a pile. My general rule is that I want install it in the box until the card has at least one link. Note: often the linking will spur off other thoughts, so I'll write linking cards and/or reflection cards at this time 2. Re 1.1 and mini branches... this happened right form the start, they are either continuations of the primary thought, a reflection on it, a linking note, or something that is so closely related that it needed to have a proximity link as well... I branch further for somethings like 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 etc 3. Re coloured tabs: they aren't coloured any more... I'm hoping to do an update video sometime... The tabs represent an idea or a book that has a number of cards associated with them, they are really just location markers so I can easily find cards for linking e.g. if I read a book about knowledge development, i could quickly find the stuff I've processed on epistemology to find links. They are not really pure 'zettelkasten' but I've found them to be useful ... or if someone says, what does 'insert topic here' mean? I can quickly find any thinking I've done on that thing in the box Hope that helps? Feel free to shoot through any other questions!

@@dave_hayes you wrote: "My general rule is that I want install it in the box until the card has at least one link. Note: often the linking will spur off other thoughts, so I'll write linking cards and/or reflection cards at this time" This makes a ton of sense but 2 practical questions: 1. Early on I could see this as a challenge where cards are not related (much). For example, Cards 1, 1.1, 1.2, 2, 3 and 3.1 are about (say) the finding meaning in life... from a book by James Hollis. But then cards #4 is about empathy (from a book by Marge Piercy). There may not be any useable/significant link between card #4 and the 6 previous cards. Do you make a stretch and decide which of those 6 card #4 has *some* relation too and make a link - even if its a stretch or will there be times early on where a card starts a wholly new "branch" that has no real relation? 2. On the complete other end of the spectrum - doesn't finding links become more and more time consuming (albeit maybe more useful later on - and perhaps the whole point of a Zk) when instead of 7 cards in the example above you have 700 cards? for card #701 (a) how much time will you spend looking for a link.... lets say it's the first card from a new "session"; and (b) where do you start? the index? arbitrarily hunting through the 700 other cards? does memory kick in a little? thanks again. While i love the theory others discuss, I learn best and therefore appreciate the REAL examples you go through!

Hi, these are great questions! 1. In your example, the meaning of life and empathy do link if you want to be an empathetic meaningful person... However, if there is nothing obvious that's not so bad initially. For the first 50 cards or so you will still clearly remember what you've written, so you could install the card and easily keep it in mind 2. finding links is a pretty important part of of a ZK, at least for me. I know there are some who suggest the cards location (like academic disciplines) is more important, but its the actual linking and thinking that is gold for me. So, yes it does become time consuming. Although, I get a lot of joy from the process! Thus, I have made the rule for myself that I need a minimum of 1 link, so that's not too hard to find, either from memory and from searching through an area I think there'll be information that links because my ZK is mostly theology, linking isn't so hard, its all in the same basic area of thought. Formal Sciences and other areas of humanities are in there, but theology interacts with all areas really. I have found increasingly that memory does kick in. Over the last 7 years or so when I've been transitioning to more and more analog tools my memory has improved. I am very thankful for this!

@@dave_hayes thanks again for the reply. I tried to come up w 2 very different subjects … and failed haha. Do you keep an index of your Zk? Or do you rely on the linking to help you find what you need or are looking for? It seems a good thing to do but as I’m 25 cards in worry that the effort might > utility.

When I started I had no index and only relied on my place holder cards. I am building a keyword index now. It takes a while, but I have found it useful to revisit a bunch of notes I haven't read for years

Hi, Thanks for the encouragement :-) I use the sequential numbering system with outline cards for a couple of reasons: 1. It just makes more sense to me 2. When I started my ZK I couldn't find anywhere that talked about the branch structure that Scheper teaches. He either wasn't posting then, or my 'many' searches didn't find anything 3. I've now read and watched 'a lot' of Scheper's stuff and I've wrestled with whether or not to restart, but I've decided to stick with what I'm doing because the reality for me is that all my reading is really theological and therefore 'humanities'... even If I did read 'formal science' like on AI or biology for example, it's usually with a theological critique or lense anyway, so the academic disciplines setup wouldn't work very well for me Thus, I don't install a card as the next number until it has at least one link to something else. That way it'll be discovered again one day. The links grow over time and when a card ends up with lots of links on it, it is obviously important and thus gets an outline card. So now (which I'm hoping to show in a video someday) I'm working on a robust index (inspired by Scheper) and outline cards for topics. I also mainly use my ZK for thinking and reflection, rather than producing output, so its geared towards linking ideas because of that. Hope that helps? I'm happy to keep answering questions here!

@@dave_hayes thanks for your reply. What you say makes sense especially holding off to add cards until linked. I like the idea that ZK is flexible and we can adapt to ourselves and how our own minds work. Keep “zetteling!”

Sounds like a good summary to me!

Hi, I'm really glad I can be helpful :-) I have plans for other videos, my Zettelkasten has grown a lot since these ones. I can't promise when though

@@dave_hayes That is great! You gain a sub for waiting for more zettelkasten videos from you 😊

I agree, I think rumination is a pretty vital part of learning and leadership. It has been a joy to read through old cards and rediscover things I'd thought of or been struck by in the past

Hi, I'm really glad I could be helpful! The learning curve is steep, but once you've got your head around it, a Zettelkasten is cool :-)

Thanks for your encouragement! I'm really keen to be helpful for people :-)

Thanks! I'm super glad it was helpful :-)

Hi, thanks, I'm really glad I could be helpful :-)

Hi, these are great questions. You can add contextual information to a card if it helps you. Or add in subordinate cards with this information (e.g. card 23 has the point you want to make and cards 23.1, 23.2 etc have other additional info). I record the source on the back of the card so that if I ever need to I can go back and dig deeper. Notes on the one article would also be linked by proximity (as in they are next to each other) in the Zettlekasten, so when you are searching for something it would make sense to check the cards either side of the one you find. Feel free to ask any other questions you might have :-) I'm keen for the video and discussion here to be a resources for people.

@@dave_hayes Thanks for your response! Subordinate cards would be a great idea for the problem I saw, thanks. Now I have another question. Why are the cards next to each other (check the cards on either side)? I thought the cards would be categorized by topic, not from first to last in sequence. Thank you. :)

@@zeeschelp Hi, the zettlekasten is design to hold sequencial notes that are linked by number not topic. I don't have a video like this, but there are lots out there that deal with the basic overview of what a zettlekasten is. All the best :-)

@@dave_hayes thank you!

Hi, thanks for the question! Racism is treating a person unkindly (often its pretty bad) merely because of the people group they are a part of. Image Bearing is a key idea in the bible. We are all created in the Image of God and so that means that everyone is equally valuable. Therefore, for people who follow Jesus there is no room for racism in any form. Of course, Christians in the past of failed terribly at this. However, this is a travesty rather than a part of true Christianity... Feel free to shoot through any other questions :-)

Hi, I agree, handwriting is a much better option, glad I could be helpful!

In one sense, I'm not sure it matters what you call it... atomistic or elementary, the point is that each note contains a single idea. Glad I could help!

happy to help :-)

That's the power of Zettles! All sorts of random connections might come up... All the best for your Persian Graphite Pirate story. I'm writing a novel at the moment, its pretty fun :-)

I'm really glad I was able to help!

Hi, I chose to order my cards using numbers i.e 1, 2, 3, 3.1, 3.1.1, 4, 4.1 etc because that made more sense to me. It felt like it would be easier to see where the card shoud be placed in the box. You coud label your cards 1, 2, 3a, 3a1, 4 etc if you wanted. There is no one right way. Yes, I put linking notes on seperate cards. However, the link numbers are at the bottom of each card. Please keep asking questions if you need for information, I'm happy to help :-)

I'm really glad I could be helpful!

Hi, I'm really gald I could help!

Hi, thanks the suggestion, I’ll add it to my list of ideas. In short, what you’d need to do for your idea is to start writing notes from your reading and then write outline cards to gather the ideas together.

Have you found any others? I'm trying to watch the best vids on analog zattlkasten, so would be great to know!

Glad I could be of assistance :-)

I've had the best on intentions! This has been a crazy year, so no promises, but I do have ideas for other videos

Happy to help out :-)

@@dave_hayes One thing that I'm still not totally clear on is what the decimal numbers mean. Is that kind of like sub-points of the bigger point?

@@patschloss3342 Hi, "sort of" sub points. Each note should be autonomous all on its own, so not strictly a sub point. It is related, so often I'll have written a card, say card 113, and then cards 113 and 86 need a linking card... that would mean the linking card could be 113.1 or 86.1 Or I'll have written card 113.1 and then moved on to cards 114, 115, 116, but then I'll think of a way that card 113 can be applied in a real world situation and I feel its worthy of making permanent, so I'd write card 113.2 Then card 113.2 has a serious link to say card 67, so I could write a linking card that could be either card 113.2.1 or card 67.1 Which number you link the card to will depend on which way the link flows. Proximity in the Zettelkasten is important becasue when you find a number, you are also easily able to look at the cards surrounding it. I hope makes sense?

Glad I could be helpful!

Glad I could help!

Hi, the yellow cards are broad areas that I have been reading in. I'm a pastor and so tend to read a fair bit of theology and topics related to my work. The topics I have at the moment are: covenant, image of God, epistemology, Bowen systems theory, incarnation, complementarianism, preaching, leadership. I also have specific topics related to books of the bible.