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@@zatic99 真的嗎？真可惜

這所有現場測試都有這樣的問題，你關注的反應時間若差異沒那麼小，應該還好

@@psylifephd 谢谢您回复！的确，只要保证被试者那边的网络情况和显示操作等没问题就好。之前研究用到了词汇判断课题，被审稿人质疑过类似的事情所以我现在比较谨慎。

可以，我找找之前寫過的範例

可以先參考這個 ruclips.net/video/KA44HMcl1v4/видео.htmlsi=tPA8xzyhnNGJZIt3 不過，我知道這不太符合你的需要，或許可以多加幾個畫面，像是在評分完，問他有沒有需要重評的。 psychopy中沒有像epime那樣有goto label的東西，比較麻煩

@@psylifephd 謝謝黃老師！我試一下！

準則是一樣的，但操作細節可能要調整

感覺是你的code放的位置不對~~ 你參考一下範例程式，看看自己是不是code沒有放在對的地方

​@@psylifephd 謝謝老師的回覆，但是我就是用download的兩個案例跑的，版本是2023.2.2。 跑出來主要的報錯是“ if (key_resp_2.keys == str(ans)) or (key_resp_2.keys == ans): UnboundLocalError: local variable 'ans' referenced before assignment”。

@@psylifephd nbackexp.psyexp跑出來runner窗口具體展示為： ########## Running: /Users/candycan/Desktop/nback/nbackexp_lastrun.py ########## 236.6841 INFO Loaded monitor calibration from ['2023_09_18 16:44'] 2023-12-11 16:11:18.120 python[23556:1014317] ApplePersistenceIgnoreState: Existing state will not be touched. New state will be written to /var/folders/qc/h34xk25d3899qt8m6x9hvgsm0000gn/T/org.opensciencetools.psychopy.savedState 2023-12-11 16:11:20.668 python[23556:1014317] TSM AdjustCapsLockLEDForKeyTransitionHandling - _ISSetPhysicalKeyboardCapsLockLED Inhibit 9.5585 EXP Created window1 = Window(allowGUI=True, allowStencil=False, autoLog=True, backendConf=UNKNOWN, backgroundFit=<method-wrapper '__getattribute__' of attributeSetter object at 0x7fe36125b7f0>, backgroundImage=<method-wrapper '__getattribute__' of attributeSetter object at 0x7fe36125b790>, bitsMode=UNKNOWN, blendMode='avg', bpc=(8, 8, 8), color=array([0, 0, 0]), colorSpace='rgb', depthBits=8, fullscr=<method-wrapper '__getattribute__' of attributeSetter object at 0x7fe36125b610>, gamma=None, gammaErrorPolicy='raise', lms=UNKNOWN, monitor=<psychopy.monitors.calibTools.Monitor object at 0x7fe38185ce50>, multiSample=False, name='window1', numSamples=2, pos=(456, 341), screen=0, size=array([2400, 1200]), stencilBits=0, stereo=False, title='PsychoPy', units='pix', useFBO=True, useRetina=True, viewOri=0.0, viewPos=None, viewScale=None, waitBlanking=True, winType='pyglet') Traceback (most recent call last): 9.5594 EXP window1: mouseVisible = True 9.5594 EXP window1: backgroundImage = '' 9.5594 EXP window1: backgroundFit = 'none' 9.5628 EXP window1: Attempting to measure frame rate of screen (0) ... 9.5628 EXP window1: recordFrameIntervals = False 9.7235 EXP window1: recordFrameIntervals = True 9.9074 EXP Screen (0) actual frame rate measured at 59.80Hz 9.9075 EXP window1: recordFrameIntervals = False 9.9078 EXP window1: mouseVisible = True 9.9573 WARNING launchHubServer: If using the iohub mouse or eyetracker devices, fullScr should be True. 12.3584 EXP nbackexp: status = STARTED 12.3591 EXP window1: mouseVisible = True 12.4126 EXP Created text = TextStim(__class__=<class 'psychopy.visual.text.TextStim'>, alignHoriz=method-wrapper(...), alignText='center', alignVert=method-wrapper(...), anchorHoriz='center', anchorVert='center', antialias=True, autoDraw=False, autoLog=True, bold=False, color=array([1., 1., 1.]), colorSpace='rgb', contrast=1.0, depth=0.0, draggable=False, flipHoriz=False, flipVert=False, font='Open Sans', fontFiles=[], height=25.0, italic=False, languageStyle='LTR', name='text', opacity=1.0, ori=0.0, pos=array([0., 0.]), rgb=UNKNOWN, text=str(...), units='pix', win=Window(...), wrapWidth=500) 12.4128 EXP window1: mouseVisible = True 12.4137 EXP Created text_2 = TextStim(__class__=<class 'psychopy.visual.text.TextStim'>, alignHoriz=method-wrapper(...), alignText='center', alignVert=method-wrapper(...), anchorHoriz='center', anchorVert='center', antialias=True, autoDraw=False, autoLog=True, bold=False, color=array([1., 1., 1.]), colorSpace='rgb', contrast=1.0, depth=-1.0, draggable=False, flipHoriz=False, flipVert=False, font='Open Sans', fontFiles=[], height=25.0, italic=False, languageStyle='LTR', name='text_2', opacity=1.0, ori=0.0, pos=array([0., 0.]), rgb=UNKNOWN, text='', units='pix', win=Window(...), wrapWidth=500) 12.4138 EXP window1: mouseVisible = True 12.4149 EXP Created text_3 = TextStim(__class__=<class 'psychopy.visual.text.TextStim'>, alignHoriz=method-wrapper(...), alignText='center', alignVert=method-wrapper(...), anchorHoriz='center', anchorVert='center', antialias=True, autoDraw=False, autoLog=True, bold=False, color=array([1., 1., 1.]), colorSpace='rgb', contrast=1.0, depth=-3.0, draggable=False, flipHoriz=False, flipVert=False, font='Open Sans', fontFiles=[], height=25.0, italic=False, languageStyle='LTR', name='text_3', opacity=1.0, ori=0.0, pos=array([0., 0.]), rgb=UNKNOWN, text='', units='pix', win=Window(...), wrapWidth=500) 0.0208 EXP text: autoDraw = True 0.7521 EXP Imported nbackcondition.xlsx as conditions, 6 conditions, 1 params 0.7530 EXP Created sequence: fullRandom, trialTypes=6, nReps=3, seed=None 0.7532 EXP New trial (rep=0, index=0): {'ans': 's'} 0.7616 DATA Keypress: space 0.7650 EXP text: autoDraw = False 0.7650 EXP text_2: height = 25.0 0.7650 EXP text_2: height = 25.0 0.7650 EXP text_2: height = 25.0 0.7650 EXP text_2: text = '8' 0.7650 EXP text_2: autoDraw = True 2.0194 EXP window1: mouseVisible = True 1.6138 WARNING Monitor specification not found. Creating a temporary one... ioHub Server Process Completed With Code: 0 File "/Users/candycan/Desktop/nback/nbackexp_lastrun.py", line 806, in <module> run( File "/Users/candycan/Desktop/nback/nbackexp_lastrun.py", line 621, in run if (key_resp_2.keys == str(ans)) or (key_resp_2.keys == ans): UnboundLocalError: local variable 'ans' referenced before assignment ################ Experiment ended with exit code 1 [pid:23556] #################

@@psylifephd nbackexp2跑出來runner窗口具體展示為： ######### Running: /Users/candycan/Desktop/nback/nbackexp2_lastrun.py ########## 21.1835 INFO Loaded monitor calibration from ['2023_09_18 16:44'] 2023-12-11 16:13:56.483 python[23635:1016936] ApplePersistenceIgnoreState: Existing state will not be touched. New state will be written to /var/folders/qc/h34xk25d3899qt8m6x9hvgsm0000gn/T/org.opensciencetools.psychopy.savedState 2023-12-11 16:13:59.375 python[23635:1016936] TSM AdjustCapsLockLEDForKeyTransitionHandling - _ISSetPhysicalKeyboardCapsLockLED Inhibit 7.6571 EXP Created window1 = Window(allowGUI=True, allowStencil=False, autoLog=True, backendConf=UNKNOWN, backgroundFit=<method-wrapper '__getattribute__' of attributeSetter object at 0x7fac736a3760>, backgroundImage=<method-wrapper '__getattribute__' of attributeSetter object at 0x7fac736a3700>, bitsMode=UNKNOWN, blendMode='avg', bpc=(8, 8, 8), color=array([0, 0, 0]), colorSpace='rgb', depthBits=8, fullscr=<method-wrapper '__getattribute__' of attributeSetter object at 0x7fac736a3580>, gamma=None, gammaErrorPolicy='raise', lms=UNKNOWN, monitor=<psychopy.monitors.calibTools.Monitor object at 0x7fac69884dc0>, multiSample=False, name='window1', numSamples=2, pos=(456, 341), screen=0, size=array([2400, 1200]), stencilBits=0, stereo=False, title='PsychoPy', units='pix', useFBO=True, useRetina=True, viewOri=0.0, viewPos=None, viewScale=None, waitBlanking=True, winType='pyglet') Traceback (most recent call last): 7.6584 EXP window1: mouseVisible = True 7.6584 EXP window1: backgroundImage = '' 7.6585 EXP window1: backgroundFit = 'none' 7.6621 EXP window1: Attempting to measure frame rate of screen (0) ... 7.6622 EXP window1: recordFrameIntervals = False 7.8217 EXP window1: recordFrameIntervals = True 8.0044 EXP Screen (0) actual frame rate measured at 60.27Hz 8.0045 EXP window1: recordFrameIntervals = False 8.0047 EXP window1: mouseVisible = True 8.0528 WARNING launchHubServer: If using the iohub mouse or eyetracker devices, fullScr should be True. 10.2364 EXP nbackexp2: status = STARTED 10.2370 EXP window1: mouseVisible = True 10.2928 EXP Created text = TextStim(__class__=<class 'psychopy.visual.text.TextStim'>, alignHoriz=method-wrapper(...), alignText='center', alignVert=method-wrapper(...), anchorHoriz='center', anchorVert='center', antialias=True, autoDraw=False, autoLog=True, bold=False, color=array([1., 1., 1.]), colorSpace='rgb', contrast=1.0, depth=0.0, draggable=False, flipHoriz=False, flipVert=False, font='Open Sans', fontFiles=[], height=25.0, italic=False, languageStyle='LTR', name='text', opacity=1.0, ori=0.0, pos=array([0., 0.]), rgb=UNKNOWN, text=str(...), units='pix', win=Window(...), wrapWidth=500) 10.2930 EXP window1: mouseVisible = True 10.2940 EXP Created text_2 = TextStim(__class__=<class 'psychopy.visual.text.TextStim'>, alignHoriz=method-wrapper(...), alignText='center', alignVert=method-wrapper(...), anchorHoriz='center', anchorVert='center', antialias=True, autoDraw=False, autoLog=True, bold=False, color=array([1., 1., 1.]), colorSpace='rgb', contrast=1.0, depth=-1.0, draggable=False, flipHoriz=False, flipVert=False, font='Open Sans', fontFiles=[], height=25.0, italic=False, languageStyle='LTR', name='text_2', opacity=1.0, ori=0.0, pos=array([0., 0.]), rgb=UNKNOWN, text='', units='pix', win=Window(...), wrapWidth=500) 10.2941 EXP window1: mouseVisible = True 10.2952 EXP Created text_3 = TextStim(__class__=<class 'psychopy.visual.text.TextStim'>, alignHoriz=method-wrapper(...), alignText='center', alignVert=method-wrapper(...), anchorHoriz='center', anchorVert='center', antialias=True, autoDraw=False, autoLog=True, bold=False, color=array([1., 1., 1.]), colorSpace='rgb', contrast=1.0, depth=-3.0, draggable=False, flipHoriz=False, flipVert=False, font='Open Sans', fontFiles=[], height=25.0, italic=False, languageStyle='LTR', name='text_3', opacity=1.0, ori=0.0, pos=array([0., 0.]), rgb=UNKNOWN, text='', units='pix', win=Window(...), wrapWidth=500) 0.0207 EXP text: autoDraw = True 1.5795 EXP Imported nbackcondition.xlsx as conditions, 6 conditions, 1 params 1.5804 EXP Created sequence: fullRandom, trialTypes=6, nReps=3, seed=None 1.5806 EXP New trial (rep=0, index=0): {'ans': 's'} 1.5879 DATA Keypress: space 1.5915 EXP text: autoDraw = False 1.5915 EXP text_2: height = 25.0 1.5915 EXP text_2: height = 25.0 1.5915 EXP text_2: height = 25.0 1.5915 EXP text_2: text = '2' 1.5915 EXP text_2: autoDraw = True 3.5752 EXP text_3: autoDraw = True 3.5930 EXP text_2: autoDraw = False 4.0692 EXP window1: mouseVisible = True 1.4115 WARNING Monitor specification not found. Creating a temporary one... ioHub Server Process Completed With Code: 0 File "/Users/candycan/Desktop/nback/nbackexp2_lastrun.py", line 807, in <module> run( File "/Users/candycan/Desktop/nback/nbackexp2_lastrun.py", line 689, in run thisExp.addData ('newans', ans) UnboundLocalError: local variable 'ans' referenced before assignment ################ Experiment ended with exit code 1 [pid:23635] #################

@@YiLIN-l1b 我明天看看問題所在

我晚點檢查一下，nback有幾個是版本，你可以看另一個版本的

我剛剛跑沒有問題ㄟ... 不知道是否是psychopy版本的問題，因為是一年前寫的程式

技術上應該可行，但寫起來可能比較複雜，我思考一下

Matlab相對的門檻又高一點，不過用Matlab可以結合PsychToolbox，應該也還行。我自己不是太有經驗，沒辦法給你好的答案。但是，若要花錢的話，E-Prime相對是比較容易上手的，供參考。

@@psylifephd 謝謝您的回答！身邊的同學有用excel做實驗的，我想了想我的實驗不需要測反應時間，感覺用Excel好像也可以，您覺得呢？ 我們老師還推薦了另一個實驗設計軟件，Visual basic/C，不知道您是否了解？

@@呉楊楊 這個我就不清楚了

@@psylifephd 好的。我會繼續看您的視頻學習psychopy的～

release storage up to 70G, then it works finally!

這應該不太難，在condition file中設定一個欄位，指定檔案的路徑就可

多谢，Excel呈现text比较容易，音频只能上传一个而不是一个文件夹，所以不清楚怎们办，用了ChatGPT写了些Code也运行不了 @@psylifephd

看了老师的视频也算入门PsychoPy和简单的编程了，不再觉得是很难，非常有帮助，多谢！

@@antony830 那個路徑path的"/" ，你兩種方向都試試看，應該就可以指定。

@@psylifephd试了试不用路径的好像可以，但声音变成娃娃音了😂

這個我不太確定，因為有不少可能性。你若用英文就沒問題嗎？

當然，更多的時候可能沒什麼對錯，是觀點不同。歡迎找書來看

這有出書呢~ 可以找書裡看

Does other psychopy scripts crash on your mac? Here's what has worked in the past. FYI, [mac] Just change the default setting in “input” “keyboard backend” to Pyglet.

@@psylifephd worked! thank you!!

If you follow the script, you can modify that in the condition file

@@psylifephd 😅 i do not speak your language... I saw the condition file had 6 lines with 3 rows d and 3 rows s but i didn't know how to change it

@@acceptance_bliss oops... Let me get back to you tomorrow

@@psylifephd Thanks, I'll wait :)

@@acceptance_bliss it's actually set in the condition file as you've already noticed. Because the way how I script it is that I change the item of display according to the "ans" specified in the condition file as shown below. if count > 2: if ans == 's': number = tempnumber[1] tempnumber.pop() if ans == 'd': if number == tempnumber[1]: ans ='s' tempnumber.pop() So in this demo, you'll get 3 reps * 6 rows in the condition. If you want to add or change the number of correct, you just add rows in the condition file and remember to reassign the new condition file as the condition file. Hope that makes sense to you.

it's not that difficult... if you refer to nbackexp2 from the linkabove change StimFrame1 -> code -> begin rountine into the following numlist = ['1','2','3','4','5','6','7','8','9'] shuffle(numlist) number = numlist.pop() count = count + 1 if count > 3: if ans == 's': number = tempnumber[2] tempnumber.pop() if ans == 'd': if number == tempnumber[2]: ans ='s' tempnumber.pop()

@@psylifephd perfect thanks! is there also a way to make the excel output include the total scores after each block? total correct, total uncorrect, and total missed correct?

@@OhadMarbach you will need to add se codes to do that manually unfortunayely

這裡有重新錄製的 ruclips.net/p/PLMIMBqBHwP-ChvA71z7au6jqWk72E96Sf

謝謝支持

線上很多事情很怪，唉呀

@@psylifephd 嗯 本身psychopy的转码bug太多

@@goldleek 是的

第一季好看，後面的普普

是的，謝謝指正。有機會會調整

要說謝謝？哈

我解決了！在trail那邊改成random，因為我們需要他的行與行之間的number與ans的對應關係。只是我們需要在題號處是按照順序的，就使用qnumlist.pop()出來的qnum變數即可。所以就是把原本老師施作的兩個變數換過來即可！

@@陳彥含-k7h 太好了~ 我剛才在想，這程式應該是沒有問題~

是否有檔名（像是副檔名是否有漏）或是路徑設定的問題呢？在本機執行就算有小問題，有時候也能執行。但在線上就很硬了，你可以檢查一下

​@@psylifephd 感謝。我仔細檢查一下。希望今後能從你這裏學到更多。

是可以，要用一點Python 數學處理的語法 你可以找找 python numpy 我晚點找個範例程式

@@psylifephd 好的，谢谢老师

@@psylifephd 老师，如果我code里面用了print（），在文字组件里面应该填什么才能print？

@@jingma7964 是不是就用另一個變數去指定為 print 出來的東西，應該就可吧

@@psylifephd 我用了a=print(),但是运行的时候不显示

if tasktype == 'old': old_rt.append(key_resp_2.rt) if tasktype == 'new': new_rt.append(key_resp_2.rt) if count2 == 10: old_rt = np.array(old_rt) new_rt = np.array(new_rt) avg_old_rt = old_rt.mean() avg_new_rt = new_rt.mean() thisExp.addData('avg_old_rt', avg_old_rt) thisExp.addData('avg_new_rt', avg_new_rt) 參考一下

你有參考我的condition檔嗎？and==1是舊的item... and==2是新的item 但要看你怎麼設定正確答案的變數，是否是跟我一樣的。

@@psylifephd 是的，我把您的s和d换成了1和2，condition文件也换了，condition也是3个1、3个2，也就是说有一半的2-back是与前面相同的，但是事实上在运行的时候并没有，所有图片呈现都与2-back不同

@@yuchen5615 因為我有兩種寫法，你這個應該要用insert的指令，不是用append...

tempimage.insert(this image,0)

@@yuchen5615 thisimage中間不要空格，你再試試。 不然就是你把tempimage.pop()改成tempimage.pop(1)

哈哈

@@psylifephd 高效人生不錯看喔

@@kevinhuang6439 感謝支持

圖片可以把檔名放進array中，就可以比照辦理了

@@psylifephd 好的，谢谢老师

不要害怕喔！其實可以的

@@psylifephd 但是我的數學真的……爛的很可怕但真的想唸心理學有關的科系

影片的描述有連結喔！

@@psylifephd 非常感谢

可以的，你可以參考給予反饋的那段影片

參考這個 ruclips.net/video/EAJQqqaU_M0/видео.html

這個有點難度，因為我沒有在使用EEG，無法測試。但我可以幫忙找找答案

ruclips.net/video/rRoqGa4PoN8/видео.html 參考這個

可以，稍等

@@psylifephd 謝謝黃老師

@@彼桑克麗絲汀 用人工智慧自動上了3分鐘，之後的有時間再補~~

@@psylifephd 謝謝黃老師，在期末忙碌的時刻花時間處理字幕問題

以新的為主哦哦哦

若接電視玩，就不需要兩台主機

這個問題 我不太清楚 而且每年不大一樣 >___<

這個我不太確定，因為我是用付費的版本。除了照片之外，應該不太有浮水印吧？

蠻多不同點的欸

嗨

在選單的右上間有個像連結的按鈕 從那邊設定網站連結就可以囉~

請參考這裡 www.canva.com/design/DAErt2vgTfM/S3Jp4QdfUHC4pXZn0VV6CQ/view?DAErt2vgTfM&

哈哈

大學部的訓練大同小異，但看個人的評估... (不過孩子真的了解兩者的差異嗎？)

ymhuang@mail.fju.edu.tw

@@psylifephd 謝謝老師！

hi~