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Something neat about Shadow's last level and Eggman informing them of someone heading to ruin the cannon is that neither of them know it's Sonic (after all, they literally JUST saw him blow up in a capsule right outside, by Eggman's own hand...), which is why Shadow is surprised and particularly affected to see Sonic alive after using his own technique. This particularly reflects in the idle dialogue in Shadow's level before this if you wait a while in there (where tl;dr and essentially he's like "Regardless of who it is, I will give it my all")

The plot is clearly about Shadow being really angry until he starts simping and becomes really chill No really, if you go villain then become full hero after meeting Rouge or Amy, the endings are called Power or Miracle of Love respectively

5:36 i think this only happens in the DX version. I only played the Dreamcast one, and i don't remember it being this loud

Dont care sonic heros is the goat get good pussies

I absolutely love the concept of this video.

Loving your plot summaries! Can't wait to see the Sonic '06 one. Subbed!

Confirmed mega swampert stole its design from sonic adventure

This game plot is so confusing but I got it after a while (I think??)😭

I KNOW WHAT THE PLOT OF SONIC ADVENTURE IS!!!, IT'S AN ADVENTURE.... WITH SONIC

I know the recent lore has really complicated stuff, and also haha fandom memes of course, but to play devil's advocate and strictly going off the world the adventure games presented, sonic and his friends are the only animal people in the entire world, making sonic and maybe amy famously the only anthropomorphic hedgehogs on the planet. In that specific context i dont think its quite fair to say its so unreasonable that most people might mistake the only other male hedgehog they've ever seen for the only male hedgehog they've ever known to exist.

I don't care what y'all say this game has a special place in my heart

Amazing video. This game seriously has the best soundtrack

There's one thing about both this and the first video that's been bugging me: Eggman didn't build a second Egg Carrier, he got the original flying again and used it to try and take on Chaos. The crashed Egg Carrier floating in the ocean is literally a part of the story, as Amy and Gamma have story beats that take place there, and one character even mentions they're surprised that Eggman got it flying again in the final act. As for the story, I feel like there was a missed opportunity to have Gamma and Beta's fight play a part in taking down the Egg Carrier. Maybe the others have a small fight against Beta, which causes him to flee, and Gamma chases him into the ship to "rescue" him. The fight, and both their resulting explosions, causes enough damage to the ship and makes it start falling. This could also give a sense of urgency to the fight against Chaos 6, making it more of a desperate scramble to defeat Chaos. Amy fly away with Knuckles would also seem more like a desperate last ditch escape attempt. As for the birds inside Gamma and Beta, there could be a cool moment in Gamma's last moments where he sees the bird come out of Beta and, realizing he's also got one, uses the last of his power to charge up a powerful shot and blow a hole in the hull for both birds to escape once he also explodes.

I feel like this video was made for me, i put maybe 8 hours in Arceus when it came out and haven’t touched it since

I LOVE the soundtrack!

I enjoyed the team dynamics and gameplay. Having you do it 4 times though in the same levels, with a crazy amount of bottomless pits, and unreliable rail magnestism/light speed dashes, it gets a bit tedious by the end. The combat which is the focus of the game doesn't get to shine because of a lot of combat areas you have to worry more about not flying off the edge into a bottomless pit.

Sonic heroes plot relevance to the rest of the sonic world is literally just a few lines of dialogue in shadoe 05 from eggman that requires you to stand around during the final boss for a total of 8 minutes

3:17 It's a port, not a remake. Yes, it had new character models, but that's about all they did, because the OG Dreamcast models look like N64 ones.

I can't be purpose ly bad in fable by actions it ruins it for me. Skyrim is a bit different but i don't think I donit just to be bad though

Desecration of the dead for knuckles

The bird plot still gets me at 32 years old 😭

Reeeeally hoping you try out X-Men: Mutant Apocalypse from the SNES. It’s the best of the 16-bit X-Men games for my money.

You mean to tell me Black Doom's favorite album isn't Back to Black and his favorite band isn't Black Sabbath. NOOOOOOOooooo

So wait, is Shadow a genetic copy of the original Shadow who died, an android made to copy dead Shadow, or the actual original Shadow?

8:10 just use your team blast wtf? Why sould you waste time like that lmao

Im gonna blame the ps2 version of this game for its bad reputation. I grew up with the gamecube version and i loved it.

I really like these just stumbled on this channel

Japan definitely sounds better

The music switch is disrespectful

8:17 i was going to comment somenthing like "oh the combat ain't that boring" but midway through the sentence i realized that from fog forest onwards i skiped the longer battles abusing the infinite team blast glitch. Só yeah, the combat may not SUCK but it is GRINDFEST

All these years and I never knew about the secret final boss, Chaos 7! Probably cause I found it too boring to play as Big the Cat abd complete his story 😂 Thanks for making this video!

The jank controls are really the only problem i have with the game. It isn't unplayable but it keeps you from making the most of the game and causes a LOT of cheap deaths

Yeah fuck this game

This will always be my favorite 3D Sonic game <3

Heroes was my first Sonic game, and I kinda liked it, so Sonic Team was on point over soft rebooting the franchise to new audiences. But I’m gonna be honest, after seeing Seaside Hill on Generations, it made me look Heores in a different way: Generations spends 10 times less in an area than Heroes; All speed, period. Heroes made me appreciate the Boost Era games unfortunately.

😭 you didn't mention my girl cream flying through randomly

They need to have more combinations where you can switch between the characters in the middle of combos and get some creative kills on the robots

7:38 He's apologizing to the player for taking so freaking long to complete his attack animation.

Controls are bad and the combat drags

Watch game grumps play through of sonic heroes

Great level selection, poor physics, bad controls, terrible execution. An aside, but regardless, as for sales, across all platforms Adventure and Adventure 2 have a total of >9 million sales, making them the 2nd and 3rd best selling above Sonic 2 wirh 6M on the MD. Heroes was a downturn in sales overall in the same was 3 & Knuckles were.

Liked and commented for the Metallica St Anger joke. That was too good.

Every Sonic game ever gets a bad reputation. Almost every single one doesn't deserve it, a lot of them NOT EVEN CLOSE to deserving it (especially Shuffle, Heroes, Shadow 05, 06, Secret Rings, Unleashed and Black Knight back when y'all hated it, Colors nowadays, S4:EP2, Rise of Lyric, Lost World, Forces, TSR and almost every port of a mainline game). Franchise is filled with 6/10s and 7/10s but the fanbase barely acknowledges those numbers as existing and results to 1-3/10s. An average game anywhere in the world is trash to Sonic fans. S4:EP1 and Sonic GBA are the only games that deserve it.

The main issue is that the teams play through all the levels in the exact same order with minimal design differences in most cases. A remake would be great if they changed up the order of the levels the teams play through or at least make the level designs drastically different

Sonic Cycle

I watched a friend play this last week. she's max-ranked every sonic game that has them including this one. I'm talking as early as SA2 and as late as Sonic Forces. The amount of times my heart seized up because the character flew off in an unexpected direction on landing, or even from a launcher, was staggering. Rail switching would work in one instance, and fail in another, every loop the camera and the characters would shake violently as if the slightest nudge would knock them off the stage. The homing attack would often fail, leading to silly deaths over an amount of pits that fans once mocked Dimps for. Enemies took a dogs age to dispatch if characters were not at least level 2, and the knockback from their attacks was downright silly, calling to mind the original Castlevania games on NES. Levels extended far beyond what was reasonable, going for as long as fifteen minutes in the worst cases, and any deaths at all meant a complete reset if she wanted a that coveted A rank, to say nothing of the chaos emerald challenges, which required her to grab one of three keys in every second level and not take a hit until the end of it. I've certainly seen and played worse games, but I struggle to think of many others that were as stressful an experience as Sonic Heroes.

Usually? Tourists. Not joking, there's your answer. People usually bring this game up to whine about Amy's characterization (especially that one scene where it's meant to be a joke, Sonic "fans" don't get jokes) when there's nothing wrong with it. Although the PS2 version is rough so people assume the entire game is like that when it's just a botched port

Thank you for this, I just finished the game but had done Amy’s story way before Gamma’s, who I did last, so I completely forgot that they reunite with their son at the end of hers.

I like a lot of the changes here. I do question whether you would feel this version is better told as a single narrative, rather then the approach taken by the game where each character's story attempts to stand on its own. I think that's the main reason the original story feels odd when put together.