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Thanks, and on some level I do of course see that point of view. I do think this aspect can be talked about as if it's every second customer affected, and it's not, nowhere close. The initial cam related problems were not a straightforward thing from an engineering standpoint (and generally, no one source can fully identify the problem even now), and even people who stretched their cover by operating on their bike out of warranty still got a retrospective claim etc. There's definitely problems in how you address this kind of thing at scale, but it's not a total fail on KTMs part either. I've found claiming warranty items to be a straightforward and transparent thing, for what it's worth.

Cheers Randy, all the best to you and yours.

@ thank you, didn’t intend on replying twice but first one didn’t show it sent.

Not for me. It hasn't been reported on this newer model, just the last generation.

@nomading_in good to hear.

I'm not sure anyone really loves them, even the pros! When they get tight I instantly get clearance anxiety.

Peak District. Luckily it's not a rut mecca and the clearance is generally good but there are some decent ones around.

@nomading_in U have an accent

@@clarkjordan4519 ah, grew up in Ireland

@nomading_in I live in Bangor Co Down

Not sure I understand the question buddy?

@@nomading_in sorry the Camshaft issues.

@@guystevens162 ah of course. From the evidence thus far, there's nothing to link the same issue to the 2023+ version. I've also not experienced any of the little niggles cited on the earlier version, such as the cold start issue.

@nomading_in oh right nice. Trying to get a test ride but my dealers never have one. At minute got the KTM 390 Adventure which I found so much fun.

@@guystevens162 you can get the 790 for 8k at some dealers in the UK so be sure to drive a hard bargain! I had the 390 before this one, and agree, great fun. Like how you can use the full bike and push it as hard as you like...on road at least!

Thanks for the support! Yeah, still stock, although I am planning to go down a tooth in the front when I change my chain next for the same reason. I don't stall the bike very much, but it does require a fair bit of clutch slip and consciously keeping the revs up. I hear the older 790 is a bit more stall happy than this one.

standing up / sitting down is an interesting one...I think on that second half, I was getting better traction by being in a sitting position (it was loose rock underneath), even if I was sacrificing balance to do it...with 60/40 tires, standing up, it can be difficult to keep the back tire hooked up on loose uphills.

It does. I never actually took it out, little concerned it'd affect air flow a bit too much in the wrong direction.

The real world probably would include me falling off (not that I did this time)! They are intimating though, even the fairly easy ones. Not panicking is easier said than done when you're new to this stuff, and the big bikes are fairly unforgiving in that way.

@@nomading_in Yeah, I've just got myself a CRF 300 and, to be honest, glad that it's so light for those tricky situations. A mid sized adventure bike I think just adds to the challenge 😬 Well done though! 👍🏼

It does! Maybe a bit bouncy sometimes, but better than stock for this kind of thing for sure.

Yeah, the 901 suspension I have now is better than stock, but I do find it a bit bouncy on this kind of thing...I haven't played with the clickers yet, that would probably help a bit at least.

Thanks bud! One tip I received recently is trying the same route many times to get comfortable on how the bike behaves, which I think makes a lot of sense.

pretty good all things considered! I think where I find I notice the weight more is downhill. When you brake you're transferring quite a lot of weight to the front, so you have to commit more to avoid braking or slowing down basically! Other than that I love the power it delivers going from slow to pushing the bike forward without too much dramas...I can go almost stationary, compose myself, and then drive into an obstacle, which makes it a very controlled bike...people sometimes complain about this bike being a bit stall happy but I haven't experienced that, it's very forgiving, maybe more an issue on the older version.

The one thing I do like about it is the extra drive it has, combined with a long second gear. I rode quite a few of the 350-400 group, and I always found them harder work in finding the right gear at the right time. The 790 in second will basically climb anything off-road. With picking the bike up, I only really struggled once, but I'm not sure a Himalayan would have been any easier...they're basically the same weight!

Those middle areas can be a bit slippy, but yeah avoiding going into them in the first place is a sound choice!

Absolutely, I've got a lot better at keeping revs high in the last year. Also agree on momentum for making most things easier, although I've come to appreciate balance in recent times. It's surprising how slow you can go while keeping control when the balance is there.

absolutely...it crunched in a fairly predictable way but might not have been the case if I was going round a bend or something!

Using the right oil probably matters too, a cheaper quality oil change (which a dealer might do too) could make a difference. But yes, definitely not trying to denigrate anyone's who's had this specific problem, that sucks. That said, it's a bit frustrating, as an owner, that a fraction effected has knocked a lot of value off my bike. I blame the community more than the brand for that one, although it's a fine line for accountability.

I did get the bite point sorted in the end, I suppose, but it did take a few attempts even with people who knew what they were doing. I think you should consider after sale value and crash proof for me does factor in cosmetic effect. All that said though, I did preface by saying I was looking extra hard for things I didn't like, as opposed to being annoyed or hating anything. Thanks for the comment!

Yep, it made a proper snap, I thought I'd taken out the suspension initially when it dropped out. Thing is, when you ride often, it only takes the one time you forget...

AXP V1 skidlate, and no crashbars. I did actually buy some crash bars but have resisted fitting them because of the weight. Only thing to watch out for without them really is getting scratches on the tank.

Thanks for that! Yeah, definitely guilty of that. It primarily comes from my lack in trust in the tires and trying to be precise with them when I'm not carrying speed, but I realise it's mostly counter intuitive.

ah nice! I did consider it but was concerned with losing Warranty....maybe my last change once I'm out of warranty on the other side.

The R would be the 2019 to 2022 version, which happens to be the one that has the cam issues cited more recently, so maybe best to be avoided? It isn't going to happen on every unit produced, but still. Interestingly there is a new 790R produced in the China market only, so chances are that might come to other markets in the future. I'd say if you go down a sprocket in the front, and change the tires (only about £250) you'll have a very competent off-road bike without doing anything that'll impact warranty etc. Depending on the dealer you might even be able to negotiate these as part of the sale.

@@nomading_in thanks for that 👍

10k so far. Had the starter mechanism changed under warranty for an intermittent switch issue, and my integrated USB charger failed, but everything else fine so far.

@@nomading_in thanks for the reply, did you check yours for camshaft wear or coolant leaks?

@@TdrMotoo I don't see any evidence to suggest it's relevant for the 2023+ model, everything was raised and validated against the 2019-22 models.

Yep, seems a fairly common story. Seems like some leave the factory without proper quality control, and things come loose over time,which shouldn't happen really. I consider myself healthy paranoid with mine, checking it over for anything obvious starting to go wrong.

haha yep! I was kind of surprised it made that much of a difference, but it's difficult for the general owner of this bike...all suspension upgrades even just springs are relatively expensive. As I said in the video it's not an essential upgrade by any means...but still!

don't think anyone will be 100% certain on that one, but my personal bet is that yes, this is very much a V2 of the original model, and they knew what needed fixing coming into the project. I hear echoes on them basically admitting the cam issue is basically known for certain older models, which they probably fixed in 2022. Probably the only one I can speak to with 5+k on the clock is that mine starts every time, no delays, no workarounds, and I haven't noted any issues with brakes or leaks, apart from a little bit of coolant loss which I've since fixed myself.

@@nomading_in so good to hear. Such a good bike. Happy riding

ah yeah, I think doing a skip year is a good shout, it's somewhat similar each year, so I think I got more out of it having skipped a year myself.

Thanks a mill for the sympathy! I actually struggled more than the video shows in the interests of the edit...I almost couldn't get it lifted after the drop, and took my last reserve of strength to finally get it upright after the 4th or 5th attempt. Could have been worse though, at least I only dropped it once and that wasn't even while I was riding it! After the fact the bike only had a few tank scrapes so not too bad on that front either. In hindsight I think maybe I should have reset sooner and got it turned lower down to focus on having a clean run, although that gate being where it was really threw me. As I heard Chris Birch say at an event recently, you have to really visualise yourself at the top, otherwise just don't do it, which is what I opted for in the end.

@@nomading_in I’m a complete novice at the Green Laning stuff but have plenty of off road experience from years ago when I used to race. For me it’s slow and steady, think of the film Driving Miss Daisy and hope for the best. Just watching episode 3 of you adventures 👍🏻

@@MrSTAdventures one good bit of advise I got recently is find a place where you can ride the same section multiple times rather than always riding something new to help dial in your skills and build confidence.

@@nomading_in Cheers for this, its something Im trying to do as we are quite limited on where you can ride off road down here. Are you going to the Lightweight Adventure Festival in a couple of weeks?

would love to, but summer is a bit booked up!

Yeah, the standard offroad mode is actually pretty good on this model, but it seems to cut in a little aggressively once the bike starts moving around.

@@nomading_in yes the new 790 is awesome I recently bought one and love it, I’m new to adventure biking and am still learning about this bikes options and have found that I really enjoy the quick shifter and the traction control maybe you can try the rally mode and setting 7 it has just enough slip/traction and you definitely would’ve benefited but having off road tires. Thank you for your video it’s nice to see people’s adventures in other lands.

Yep for sure, although each time I got going on this specific section the suspension felt like it was getting a bit overwhelmed and starting to lose traction from skipping or coming back down awkwardly on the bigger rocks. I also should have at least tried rally mode to back off the traction control a little as that was interfering a little at times. Good experience though, I reckon if I tackled it again tomorrow I'd give it a decent run.

Many thanks! Yeah those last tracks were great fun, was a nice way to wrap up.

yep, 300mm hexagonal