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Grant Palmer An insider's view of Mormonism
Documentary on Grant Palmer. Grant was employed by the LDS Church as a Church Education System (CES) teacher for 34 years and retired in 2001. He has published 3 books on Mormonism and has been very instrumental in revealing little-known truths about Mormonism's history. Explore his views on Mormon history and his personal beliefs.
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It seems like the church leaders listened to Grant Palmer about the church moving closer to Christ and at least making an attempt to disclose a more truthful telling of the Mormon church.
Honest, brave man. One correction. It was briefly mentioned that Baha’i is Hindu. This is inaccurate. The Baha’i Faith is an independent world religion that claims to fulfill the expectations of the Bible, the Muslim prophecies a as well as Buddhist and Hindu prophecies.
sadly Grant Palmer was mentally ill.
This is what Christianity looks like when you don't have someone at the top of a man-made hierarchy telling you "my way or the highway!" And the antithesis of where all that animus comes from when folks object to organized religion.
Beautiful interview and tribute. I'm so glad that he knew the REAL JESUS and now he's in heaven. I'm not Mormon, but I truly enjoyed this interview.
I'm in love with his book ! I currently read it and the points are so easy understanding and looks like it was always there in front of my eyes !
Perfect example of religious mental illness.
Send this to your Mormon friends and associates as, 'The Dying Words Of A Mormon Historian'
I too wasn’t angry when Mormonthink revealed the facts to me. Had been inactive for a decade. Why? I knew the true nature of Mormonism. When my dad abandoned our prosperous perfect family in favor of partying and adultery, the leaders and ward blamed it on my sweet devoted Mother. He didn’t pay a dime to his wife and 7 kids, bought a Benz and a bachelor pad, started donging any lady willing. Hearing bishops say “he must have left for some reason” Seeing leaders tell “yer dad is awesome” stories to my destitute grieving mother was eye opening. Mormon kids wouldn’t play w us or date us. I know, if I heard this I’d think “ must be more to the story” but there isn’t. Mom had 3-4 jobs and ladies in our wealthy ward mocked her for giving out samples at grocery store, her 4 TH job on weekends. She never went after him for $, he owed 150k. Courts would have garnished wages, she didn’t wanna embarrass him. Our ward treated her like Typhoid Mary. Moving to a poor ward helped a bit. It was the most unchristian behavior I could ever imagine.
Beautiful man
The restorationist themes expressed in Mormonism came from Sidney Rigdon, who had previously been a preacher in the American Restoration Movement (Stone/Campbell), which predated the Mormon Movement in the early 1800's. The American Restoration Movement was not Mormon at all but was a trans denominational movement in early American Christian circles dedicated to a return to a primitive Christian model as a solution for the dilemma of sectarian Christianity, which it's divisive nature was deemed to be antagonistic with Christian teaching in the New Testament. The ecumenism of the American Restoration Movement didn't work, of course, but it did foster an interest in the return to the primitive church, which remains until this day.
This video makes me lose respect for Mr. Palmer. There is such a high number of ex mormons that turn atheist because they apply the same critical thinking to the Bible that they did to the mormon church. He said in this video that he thinks it's a huge waste of talent if there isn't anything after this life. He is willing to look past all the issues the Bible has and say, Just have faith and do what is right, and Jesus will be there. That is the same way leaders of the mormon church talk. For such an intelligent man, you would think he could be honest and acknowledge the issues in the Bible. It's the same thing the church leaders do with church history. Ignore the problems and focus on the few words of good things Jesus said, forget the rest. How can everyone not see it's the same thing. All churches do the same thing!
It was really cool of him to keep trying to help people, even at that time. God Bless.
I can see how hard it is if your born into it to leave it. I have tried to study the various sects of Christianity but the more I've studied Mormon the more fascinated I am with Lying how if you believe your life has been a lie how gullible or apt you are to continuing the lie because dealing with the reality that your faith has been wrong is too difficult. A human frailty all of us can have in the right circumstances. Mormons however recruit others into a world of lies which is really why I can not just say let them be they have knocked on my door.
I am revisiting these videos, my interest is partially because of hearing AVOW members with beliefs that are hard to accept.
the world never built a monument to critic. paul harvey when you ridicule, you lose all credibility... i have a dozen ancestors who personally knew the Prophet Joseph, not one ill word was spoken of him... and i have my own experiences and testimony ... i admonish you to be careful to false ppl like this man
What IS the « experiment »? You don’t really ever say!!! Why not???
The experiment he is talking about is to trust Jesus, the Bible Jesus. To not just stick your toe in but jump in whole heartedly and see if your life doesn’t change. To develop a personal relationship with God the father through Jesus Christ, his only begotten son. Read the four gospels first. 😊
Grant Palmer, for all your learning about religion you know nothing about God.
Is this available on DVD?
Thank you grant,inform the well meaning but brainwashed people in this satanic mormon money making corporation.
Google Book of Abraham pt 5 Why Egyptologists are wrong you tube. A video debunking the lies Grant Palmer spread about the Book of Abraham.
He speaks the truth,I miss him 😢
Interesting man. I'm glad he left this life with peace.
I MISS HIM 😢 he told the truth about Jesus Christ Our Savior. Knowing he personally as your best friend. He has grace to compassion for all who asked him 🙏 ❤️
People have discovered that section 132 wasn't added until almost 50yrs after JS died. Section 101 from the original 135 D&C and I believe the Book of Commandments. I'm still learning there was so much corruption in the early church and it continues on today. I know that BY was wicked and disgusting. I'm still learning and trying to figure out JS. In the current D&C it states that the church is under condemnation since it's inception. It's all right there. I've decided, now that I don't need to know all these things, but that I need to learn how to come closer to Christ. I've had amazing spiritual experiences and it's been wonderful. I'm grateful for my learning journey. I decided it doesn't matter what these people have or haven't done as long as I can come closer to God and teach my children to do so as well. We don't need a go between between us and Christ. Christ is THE way He is the mediator He is the one who stands at the gate and employs no other servant there!
Thank you for being you. You have changed my future and I am eternally greatfull. God has made this possible and your courage is to keep going forward to tell the truth. The internet has opened up the truth in all things.
Joseph Smith was a disturbed human creature. No remorse Impulse Parasitic Delusions of grandeur Murder in his heart
The guy is not bright!
They need to figure out what the older folks said "God gave you TWO years & ONE mouth so you can listen AND hear twice as much. Better to be silent & be considered a fool than to open your mouth & remove all doubt.
Still helping people all these years later! A true legend!
Yeppers 💞 ❤️💞
At General Conference, the speakers quote the current "prophet" and previous "prophets" more than they quote Jesus.
Look up NEMO the Mormon 🤣 English guy he just posted today a group in Europe of former & (we were called "JacMormons" like the Jacobites) still on the rolls but not weekly present at church.
Never give up. I am grateful to Grant Palmer for his work and wisdom.
Yea...And They Layout in the Sun to get Dark
As far as I know, Smith claimed to be a true prophet. And at least some of his prophecies didn't come to pass. Yet Mormonism teaches that if even just one of a prophet's prophecies do not come to pass, he cannot be a true prophet. That should cinch it for anyone. The rest is just quibbling, compared to that glaring deficiency.
Died September 25th, 2017
A beautiful testament of a brilliant researcher who had a wonderful testimony of the real Jesus Christ. Worth the watch for anyone who is the least bit curious about their faith in the Mormon, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints faith.
Why do Latter-day Saints deny Christ and say he is a created being the brother of Lucifer?
To whom shall you go? The Church of Anti Mormons?
As long as no one shun you if you want to leave, any church... I prefer the Catholic Church!
Jesus said, "Take up your cross and follow Me."
Pancreatic cancer is one of the most painful cancers to die from. One of my brothers-in-law died from it. Brother Palmer is now in the Spirit World and knows for certainty whether his apostasy was worth it. I am sure that you readers would be delighted if he was correct but what if he was wrong? Has The Lord Jesus Christ sent him back to Earth to reassure you that he was correct in apostatising from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? Surely The Lord would consider it important enough to allow Brother Palmer to come to Earth as an Angel and spread the truth. Or perhaps The Lord Jesus Christ is peeved with Brother Palmer for breaking his sacred covenants and bearing false witness. There are a possible maximum number of interpretations of the words and verses of the KJV Bible of 353 TRILLION. Is it any wonder then that there are 45,000 Christian denominations worldwide? I suggest that you be very careful in who you disrespect.
There are over 100 sects of Mormonism based on one book. How do you know that your sect is the correct one? There are not 45,000 Protestant denominations. Even under the most liberal definition of what constitutes a denomination, there are nowhere close to 30,000 Protestant denominations. The only way to get even remotely close to that figure is to count every minor separation as an entirely different denomination. Further, the vast majority of Protestant Christians belong to just a handful of the most common Protestant denominations; i.e., Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, etc. The 45,000 Protestant denominations argument is an extreme exaggeration of the reality of the divisions within Protestantism. Christ said that Latter-day Saints would be condemned. Jesus said your sins would not be forgiven if you did not believe He was God. John 8:19 So they were saying to Him, “Where is Your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father; if you knew Me, you would know My Father also.” 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
Leaving the Mormon church is totally worth it. Joseph Smith was apostate from Christianity. He didn't like the true and living God the Father, so he invented his own god, an 'exalted man' from another planet with a body of flesh and bone that had to work his way to godhood, lives near a star named Kolob and is out sleeping with other women, just like Joseph Smith was doing. It's called idolatry, when you invent a god of your imagination. Then he promised his followers, the men at least, endless sex on their own planet. People like me who deny polygamy will be damned. D&C 132 Sounds scary, eh? It's called lying. Joseph Smith said that Christ was a created being the brother of Lucifer. It's called blasphemy of the highest order. It is why no Latter-day Saint will ever get into heaven. It is the unpardonable sin. There is no salvation in any church. I urge you to read your Bible. Eternity is a long time to be wrong.
The Lord also didn't send anyone off the pervious dead prophets back to earth to me or anyone else to tell us that what they taught was true. Best story out there is that Brigham claimed Joseph came back in a dream in a hurry and told him to tell the people keep the holy ghost. That's is. Not much reassurance to live on. My parents have both passed and came back to me in dreams showing me the hereafter. Nothing like what I was taught in church. I trust that more than what prophets have said.
Even the very elect will be deceived, point in case…
It’s 2021 and I still say RIP. Thanks for sharing your personal feelings and knowledge learned in your successful life. You were a trailblazer and I’m grateful for you.
I’ve just listened to this again. I remember my deceased husband telling the story Grant shared about Winston Churchill speaking when he said “Never ever ever give up!” If I remember correctly, my husband shared this speech from his graduation from the USNA Class of 1967. It guided my husband throughout his life. Thanks for sharing and placing a peaceful smile on my face.
In my take on the gospel the important thing is a true love of God and love others as yourself and doing the works that demonstrates sincerity.
I have found my path through The Great gospel of John, given through Jakob Lorber, 1840 through 1864, which is in total agreement with the accepted scriptures, but with much more detail. This writing covers the ministry of Jesus the Christ in great detail almost hour by hour.
Well worth a listen.
Reading The Holy Bible , acknowledgement of our Almighty Creator God and accepting the sacrifice at the cross of our Savior and Lord Jesus Christ is ALL we need for a satisfying and complete relationship with our gracious GOD . Mormonism has nothing to add to what God has already given to us ! And as new evidence about the mormon “church” come to light including science , archeology , DNA etc and etc , we end up with the fantasy of the bucket full of holes that could not hold any water. It is so sad that so many thousands of genuine people have been deceived in such a snakeish way ! !
Broke free of the newer myth but never from the older one. Indoctrination is a hell of a thing.
I have such high regard for Grant Palmer. His ultimate goal was to find and share the truth and then he stood by that truth with integrity. Grateful for those three books🤍
Can I use this for another video
I am only a third of the way through this, and it is nothing more than “ hey Mormons leave that nonsense and look at this nonsense over here”.
Haha , your probably right? I tried so many different religions in my life and its all the same hustle Give me your cash and your time
@@oldmaninthehousedetroit1963 I might agree with you and the OP. I find that the Mormon idea cradle to grave lifestyle to be a good idea. However, many people think they get a feeling they are better than others. Major problem. In my life I try to do no harm, and medium on judgement. Dead is dead, and not thinking of running a planet, or going to an inferno.
He passed away about one month after this video was posted on RUclips en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_H._Palmer
A hero if there ever was one