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I was fortunate to earn my Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do from a school that followed Jhoon Rhee style. It was very much a Punching and Kicking art and we had full contact, controlled power sparring.

The history of Tang Soo Do is highly linked to Taekwondo in that it is essentially a precursor. Tang Soo Do is the Korean pronunciation of 唐手道 (Okinawan: Tou-Te-Do). With the Japanese unification, the name changed to “Kara-Te” because 唐 referred to “China” but can also be pronounced as “Kara” in Japanese. The kanji was changed to 空 meaning “Empty”. In Korea, there were originally 5 Kwan (schools) before the Korean War, and then evolved to 9 Kwan after the Korean War. During the Japanese occupation of Korea, Koreans were not allowed to practice their native martial art. They were exposed to Japanese martial arts, one of which included Shotokan. One of the Korean Kwan founders is Lee, Won Kuk. He is the founder of Chung Do Kwan Tang Soo Do, and he is said to be a student of Funakoshi, Gichin. Based on some quick searches, it appears that General Choi studied under Lee, Won Kuk. Another famous lineage is Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do, founded by Hwang, Kee. Hwang studied books that included those written by Funakoshi, and it is also said that he may have studied too with Lee, Won Kuk. Chuck Norris came from this lineage. This is the lineage that Cobra Kai is based on with Pat Johnson’s work in the original Karate Kid. Similarly to what happened in Japan, after the war, the South Korean government wanted to unify under one name led by the Korean Taekwondo Association. Some schools agreed, while some schools split. That is why you may see some with lineages from the 9 Kwan use “Tang Soo Do” or “Taekwondo” and yet have similar forms with derivations from a Japanese lineage.

Good info and discussion.

In quick summary, kung fu has multiple problems, from gatekeeping, secrecy, and lack of quality control and full-contact sparring. The bad reputation of kung fu speaks to a complacency of the kung fu community, and no proactive steps towards actual solutions. Taekwondo and Karate were at least able to achieve an identifiable place in the modern martial arts community; whether or not they are respected is debatable, but they have a seat at the table. Kung fu has not achieved this, and probably never will at this rate. 20:10 Thanks for the honorable mention 😂 45:19 No, Sanda is not considered pure kung fu, and it doesn't need to be. "Kung fu" has become such a loaded term dominated by purist gatekeepers and elitist traditionalists, who talk down on other styles, make excuses as to why they “can’t fight” or when a traditionalist loses in a fight, while at the same time claiming they do the “real kung fu”, but don’t have any physical proof in fighting or sparring to back up their empty words, and are ultimately unproductive. Bruce Lee called it and had the right idea. If kung fu people don't want to accept Sanda, that is their prerogative. Real fighters just keep it pushing and train. On the historical development of Sanda that resulted in its format, this came out of a need by the Chinese to update their fighting and sparring methods, where there was little to none at the time, at least until the communists were smart enough to allow sparring practice for Chinese martial arts again, with the combined efforts of traditional Wushu experts and Soviet advisors. Mei Huizhi, one of the fathers of Sanda, and Qian Renbiao, one of the first fighters and national Chinese coaches of Sanda, have said in interviews that influence was directly taken from boxing for punching techniques, with the kicking techniques coming from a variety of sources such as Chinese martial arts styles, Taekwondo, Karate and Muay Thai, and finally, the takedowns coming from Shuai Jiao (摔跤； shuāijiāo, traditional Chinese folk wrestling) and perhaps a mix of Sambo, given the historical influence of Soviet advisors, which has its own roots in judo. Although this is not to say there is no Wushu content, martial applications and/or fighting ideas in Sanda, because Sanda has influences outside Chinese methods, one does not necessarily need to have learned or practiced Wushu or Chinese martial arts to be successful in Sanda. Interview with Mei Huizhi: www.bilibili.com/video/av46907590/?fbclid=IwAR1dKCVkSyVu9n5fvIrTw2uUMH4MkMaa5I_eSZg2fzi8uqtz4xwIC1HL6jc Interview with Qian Renbiao: ruclips.net/video/NDOkPNzKGBg/видео.html

As sigung Duncan says “pure wing chun, impure wing chun, whatever defeats an opponent is good wing chun” good show bro

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W episode for real 😮‍💨😮‍💨

23:32 The Prodigal Son (败家仔； bàijiāzǎi, figurative opposite of prodigal son lol) is a lot of fun. Sammo Hung hilariously steals the show, and even though it's just a kung fu movie, it actually has a lot of subtext with good messages on Chinese martial arts culture and fighting. 28:16 *Yu Hai actually recently passed away on January 16th, 2023, and was a former Shandong Wushu Team member and one of the few real Wushu masters, senior to Jet Li and Zhao Changjun, whose generation is the first of what modern Wushu fans today call the “old school” Wushu, and perhaps most well-known as one of various Wushu actors starring opposite of Jet Li in his first few Shaolin-themed films, The Shaolin Temple (少林寺； Shàolínsì), Kids from Shaolin (少林小子； Shàolínxiǎozǐ) and Martial Arts of Shaolin (南北少林； nánběishàolín, literally “North and South Shaolin”), all of which feature the same memorable cast. He was also traditionally trained in traditional Tanglangquan (螳螂拳； tánglángquán, Praying Mantis Fist), and was the creator of modern Wushu Tanglangquan, Qixing Tanglangquan (七星螳螂拳； Qīxīngtánglángquán, Seven Star Praying Mantis Fist), Meihua Tanglangquan (梅花螳螂拳； méihuātánglángquán, Plum Blossom Praying Mantis Fist), and Liuhe Tanglangquan (六合螳螂拳； liùhétánglángquán, Six Harmonies Praying Mantis Fist), and combined them all together to make what is now modern Wushu Tanglangquan, or as Yu Hai himself liked to call it, Huizong Tanglangquan (汇总螳螂拳; Huìzǒngtánglángquán, Collective Praying Mantis Fist). 50:52 The Bodyguard from Beijing (中南海保镖； Zhōngnánhǎibǎobiāo, Zhongnanhai Bodyguard) was released in the West as The Defender, which was how I saw it from Blockbuster lol 51:40 *The Master (龙行天下； lóngxíngtiānxià, dragon travels [the] world) where Jet Li starts opposite kickboxing champion Jerry Trimble, and Jet Li's master is played by Yuen Wah, member of the Seven Little Fortunes alongside Jackie Chan, Sammo Hung and Yuen Biao 53:54 The bus scene was actually the brainchild of Joseph Le, Turtle Wave teammate with professional lightweight MMA champion Piankhi Zimmerman, founder of Team Red Pro, fellow East Coast native, and also action designer for Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, under the late former Australian Wushu Team member and Jackie Chan Stunt Team member Brad Allan, student of former captain and member of the Beijing Wushu Team member and TikTok star Liang Changxing

Congrats man.

It's ok in Cebu we also don't speak Tagalog much or at all lol

MAYAMAR!

14:37 *In real life it's called bartitsu, but in the Arthur Conan Doyle stories it was spelled "baritsu" 26:39 My primary sparring partner and I didn't get along with each other in middle and high school, then eventually we just started hanging out once we found out we had a common interest in martial arts, he is directly responsible for helping me develop my fighting style and kept me accountable during my weight cuts when I was still competing in Wushu Sanda.

Looks like The Karate Kid (original) came out in 1984. Personally, I think I saw Japanese Tokusatsu (ie Power Rangers) first than Karate Kid as a kid. But teachers that I know often reference Karate Kid as their reason for starting to train in karate. PS. Thanks for this episode! 🙏🏼

The anti-bullet talisman thing was even used by the military as a psyop against gullible farmers.

The Ramsay Dewey sparring with a Tai Chi master wasn't a chi energy thing but a tai chi grappling spar where the old man did threw him on the (concrete) floor

21:05 For what it's worth, Bas Rutten did say he was in a street fight with multiple guys and used BJJ: ruclips.net/video/UyXERDeMbKI/видео.htmlsi=iADppjfHCtdVugNo

2:22 The standing inside reap/trip or standing inner hook/hooking (大得合； dàdéhé, big/large [Chinese phonetic conversion of the Mongolian term ᠳᠡᠭᠡᠭᠡ]) as it's known in Shuai Jiao (摔跤； shuāijiāo, traditional Chinese folk wrestling), is termed ouchi gari (大内刈; big/large/major inside/inner reap) in judo 🙂 8:25 I felt bad when I first found out sport wrestling could be dropped as an official Olympic sport, despite being such a traditional sport with such a long history (a decision I actually happen to disagree with, and fortunately it did not come to light). 10:46 Max Holloway really is a BMF, excellent boxing, footwork, defensive movement and spinning back kicks that should be a case study for technical fighters, and he really challenged Justin Gaethje to stand in the center of the octagon and trade, then knocked him the fuck out. 21:26 I'm surprised by Yan Xiaonan's superior height and reach as well as her power rocking Zhang Weili. Yan Xiaonan is clearly the better Sanda fighter with a better side kick, kick catches and Shuai Jiao, but Zhang is the more well-rounded and complete fighter, she rightfully won through superior grappling as well as ground and pound, still a surprisingly technical fight showcasing Sanda skills and techniques and a great representation of Wushu Sanda and Chinese fighters! Just goes to show Wushu Sanda is a great combat sport with carryover and transferrable skills to MMA, but Chinese style combat training methods, Wushu Sanda, Guoshu lei tai, Shuai Jiao or otherwise, lack the scrambling skills of complete wrestling that freestyle wrestling has, and the grappling of BJJ. 26:03 K-1 is still around but not nearly as prominent as Glory, Glory is the new K-1 in terms of prestige in kickboxing

Love the conversation.

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1:29:40 Pretty sure Zhao Jian played by Ma Zhongxuan was actually performing modern Wushu Nanquan, which is based mainly off of Hung Gar movements. 38:48 Dr. Tim Lee of the local Fu Ying Quan She group focused on internal practice is awesome! I met him at the behest of my last Wushu coach Ching-Yin “Bee” Lee, who Frank knows, when Dr. Tim adjusted and corrected to my physical posture in zhanzhuang (站桩； zhànzhuāng, standing meditation, literally “standing post/pole”). In the most general explanation without going into too much detail, this consisted of imagining “hugging a thin paper balloon” for a relatively long period of time, with a general focus of learning to physically relax and let go of unnecessary muscular tension (part of this is mental, again going back to the psychological ideal of “relaxing”). However, the biggest benefit I experienced would come in the later instructions of imagining “sitting on the edge of a tall stool”, thereby “sitting the butt back”, and getting rid of unnecessary pressure on the knees and ankles. This particular focus would carry over into holding mabu (马步； mǎbù， horse stance), which Bee would make me do one minute of, along with ten minutes of zhanzhuang almost every day, as part of an experimental training program designed for me, which proved to be only partially useful. Over the next seven months, I thought, “This is cool for martial arts, but what’s the point of this?” And then, after those seven months, my knees and ankles felt the healthiest they’ve ever been in a long time, finally free from the tightness of the prior left ankle sprain and knee aches I suffered, because of hard force generated from the impact of jumping and landing hard and heavy on the ground. Though there were of course other practices employed for the sake of safety and health in my training program, I can say that I gained the most utility out of zhanzhuang and mabu, all because of this benefit I experienced. Other things I have experienced are working parts of activated muscles closer to the bone, which happens when the muscle bellies are tired from holding the posture for so long, that they transfer the resultant force onto the deeper parts of the muscles to maintain the posture. Specifically, I have felt the working of the quad muscles and also felt the stretching of the scalene muscles under the clavicles (collar bones) as well as the levator scapulae, which feels like carrying a very heavy backpack weighing down on my shoulders. On another level, there is also the activation of the lower spine, as well as the suspension at the baihui (百会； bǎihuì) point at the of the top of the head (as though you were being pulled up from a string at that point), to work on good upper body posture. One of my Wushu seniors Roland Quan, who Frank and Bee also know, said that zhanzhuang serves as a self-healing mechanism or “system reset” for the body, where the tensions and discomforts that come out in the muscles and areas between joints (read: NOT the joints themselves-as Dr. Tim says, if there is pain in the joints experienced, it is recommended that the exercise be stopped, as this can be unhealthy, detrimental and dangerous to the body), are either old injuries or ailments of the body working themselves out. Based on my personal experience, I have found this to be true. 36:49 I recommend talking to professional lightweight MMA champion Piankhi Zimmerman for his personal experience. 25:49 On the historical development of Sanda that resulted in its format, this came out of a need by the Chinese to update their fighting and sparring methods, where there was little to none at the time, at least until the communists were smart enough to allow sparring practice for Chinese martial arts again, with the combined efforts of traditional Wushu experts including Chaquan (查拳; cháquán) master Zhang Wenguang, Huaquan (華拳; huáquán; Flower Fist) Grandmaster Cai Longyun, Grandmaster Xia Bohua, Professor Men Huifeng, and Professor Zhu Ruiqi, who were also involved in the development of modern Wushu Taolu (套路； tàolù, forms), and Soviet advisors, with the support of Wu Bin, coach of the Beijing Wushu Team which produced Jet Li. Mei Huizhi, one of the fathers of Sanda, and Qian Renbiao, one of the first fighters and national Chinese coaches of Sanda, have said in interviews that influence was directly taken from boxing for punching techniques, with the kicking techniques coming from a variety of sources such as Chinese martial arts styles, Taekwondo, Karate and Muay Thai, and finally, the takedowns coming from Shuai Jiao (摔跤； shuāijiāo, traditional Chinese folk wrestling), judo and perhaps a mix of Sambo, given the historical influence of Soviet advisors, which has its own roots in judo. If the goal of these fathers of Sanda was to make an effective fighting method, they succeeded. However, if the goal were to make a sparring format purely analogous to Chinese martial arts, they failed. Although this is not to say there is no Wushu content, martial applications and/or fighting ideas in Sanda, because Sanda has influences outside Chinese methods, one does not necessarily need to have learned or practiced Wushu or Chinese martial arts to be successful in Sanda. Interview with Mei Huizhi: www.bilibili.com/video/av46907590/?fbclid=IwAR1dKCVkSyVu9n5fvIrTw2uUMH4MkMaa5I_eSZg2fzi8uqtz4xwIC1HL6jc Interview with Qian Renbiao: ruclips.net/video/NDOkPNzKGBg/видео.html

Lol you guys make me want to drink as I’m watching this too

Guro Frank representing!

Very insightful! Thank for sharing!

Very interesting points on Dustin Nguyen!

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