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i agree with you on pretty much all counts but i just have to say the inclusions of clips from "paper towns" got a laugh from me because of john green's entire intent behind it being that he mc whose name i can't even remember was idealizing margo and didn't even really know her

i think it’s totally on purpose how claire is written and not a result of “bad writing”. we have to contextualize in order to get the big picture of what her role is in the show. they are high school sweethearts, a time in your life that romantic partners tend to be idealized. when you have a crush at a young age you usually only see superficial characteristics and don’t really know the person deeply. if it doesn’t evolve into anything more, they become a fond memory, the same way you usually remember the good parts about a deceased loved one. when claire and carmy meet again as grown ups they still see themselves as those idealized versions. as much as carmy sees claire as perfect, she also has this fantasy of who he is. we only see claire through carmy’s eyes, including when his family talks about her. and he is reluctant to perdue a relationship because to him she is perfect and he is not (throughout every season we see how insecure he is and how he’s constantly trying to prove his worth to the people around him, that nasty boss he had, his family. he has constantly been put down and despite doing the most it never seems to be enough). claire might know his family but she doesn’t know that side of him. i think she puts up with a lot of his stunts because he is also a dream to her, the boy she liked in high school. also, that sequence when carmy is having anxiety and claire pops up between his family makes him even more anxious because she is “perfect” and is a constant reminder that he is not (all he hears and sees is how perfect she is. just as it annoys the audience it rattles him to, MPDGs annoy people because they are walking reminders that we will never be as perfect, quirky, and loveable as they are). i personally liked scenes with claire because they were a breath of fresh air in the turmoil and caos that is the show, calming and warm. that’s how carmy sees those moments too in his chaotic life. i think it would be interesting to see her perspective and life in an episode, she might see carmy in the same light too. but when he says all those things in the freezer that idealized version of him is shattered, a side of him she didn’t know comes to light. syd’s dynamic with carmy sort of begins that way too, she looks up to him as a chef but when she starts working with him she sees how troubled he actually is. that also goes for a lot of other character dynamics in the show, that idealization of outsiders that fuels the insecurities of the characters we know (how richie sees frank, how the family sees pete. these “superficial” characters remind them of all their flaws) quite the tangent i went on but that’s my take on it and i think if you apply that concept while watching it really highlights the shows good portrayals of perfectionism and complexities of social dynamics. it’s a great show, and it still has flaws but that’s exactly what it’s trying to talk about

Hatred? She was my favorite character. I was so pissed when Carmie did what he did to her. Everyone I know feels the same way about her. I think your take is one way to think about her. But another way to think about her is the healer that Carmen so desperately needs in his life. It doesn’t matter that she comes from way back when. To me that only makes it easier because she understands the level of trauma and crazy that he has had to grow up in. A lot of people would have one dinner with Donna and run the other way. She won’t. She is his salvation, she is his strength, she could have been the one thing in his life that actually brought him joy instead of ulcers, pain and panic attacks. I hope he fixes it in the 4th season. I almost didn’t watch the 3rd season 😂😂😂😂 out of shear pettiness because of the breakup. A lot of people love Clair and what she represents for Carmen, the possibility of happiness and were really upset that he never apologized. But I am proud of her for not calling him, not trying to fix his brokenness after that. She deserves better and she knows her worth. I love that even more about her. I hope they do develop her character more in the next season, I hope it works out between them. To me they are perfect for each other.

Your video is amazing ✨

Your video is amazing ✨

Thank you for this video! I don't hate Claire, I actually liked her relationship with Carmen in S2 since I knew they will use it to show us how self-destructive Carmen could be. BUT I also found myself rolling my eyes and feeling uncomfortable every time she was on screen. I figured it was due to this MPDG aura she had going on. She is a doctor, who has all the time of the world to be there for Carmen and deal with his bs?!! A DOCTOR??!!!! She doesn't seem to really have a life out of being Carmen's dream girl. Carmen basically told her she was a waste of his time and she just went out with "grace" and a kiss??? BEAT UP THAT MF, CLAIRE! (jk) What pisses me off a little about all this is that they could have show us how broken Carmen is without using the MPDG trope. Just show a decent human being that has her life and struggles but is still more healthy than Carmen's entire family... it's not really that hard with that specific family yk...

i thoroughly enjoyed this video and hope you make more about the bear!!

Not the point of any of this amazing video but, DOCTOR WHO AT NO.1

But alas there is nothing manic pixie about her shes just dream girl and that makes her so uninteresting

I call her the Snarky Pixie Dream Girl. Love her character. I suspect more complexity is coming, but if not ... well ... right now her story is just an extension of Carmy's story and that's just fine. You nailed it.

You forgot the dishwashers…

I wish we got more Claire but I also don't think she was ever meant to be an actual character. I agree with the "Claire is written like a plot device for the main character" idea. It's not good writing to make a 2D character that's purpose is to show the main characters flaws, I hate when shows do that, especially ofc when it's supposed to be a love interest, because I personally couldn't feel any chemistry or connection between the two characters in season 2, and that's probably because she didn't feel like a character.

Of all time lol girl you must have not watch many shows

Season 3 was so terrible. Nothing happened and the faks, oh the faks, sooo unbearable

their interactions are so boring and why do they whisper to each other so much, its either whisper or screaming in this show lol

i love comparing the interactions carmy has with claire (stunted, staggered, and not saying much at all) vs. carmy with the rest of the bear, particularly syd (much more animated, finishing each other's sentences, wearing his heart on his sleeve). i choose to believe that the writers intentionally wrote claire with an ideal, perfect personality to emphasize just how self-destructive carmy can be, that even when all the external circumstances are perfect for him, he still sabotages himself out of punishment and self-loathing. imo claire was never written to be a viable love interest to carmy, but rather as a 2D storytelling device to highlight the nuances of carmy's grief and mental health (because i refuse to believe that writers that can write such complex female characters like syd and nat can "accidentally" write a female character as reductive as claire). amazing analysis and can't wait for s4 to expand on this idea like you said!

Insane that the same women who are all upset about Claire because she isn't a flawed enough but have no issue with Pete. PETE is the male equivalent of Claire. If men created the Pixie Dream Girl as a fantasy; women created the Inflatable Punching Bag Husband. No matter how hard gets hit he pops right back up with the big smile and the "YOU GOT THIS BABE" sign. He doesn't care that she quit her job and now they are living only on his income. He doesn't get upset that she and her family regularly disrespect him in his own home. He is never impatient or upset that she is always at the restaurant. He has no identity other than Punching Bag

I cannot believe this is a character that apparently gets hate. Although, similarly, I didn't really realize how little we saw of her outside of Carmy's perspective. She is fairly idealized, though I don't know that her personality is a bad match for him.

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I think there is nothing wrong with manic pixie dream girl archetype in story. There is no doubt that it's very common for boys/men dream about their ideal love sweetheart & MPDG is practically almost every first or their best young love. Exactly like how ever woman/girls always dream about about their ideal men like a chad loving big bad boy... I am just saying. It's rather weird that almost EVERY women centric romance story/movies/shows are always have such ideal men stereotypes but there is practically zero conversation about it.

This made me realise that The Bear in no way shape or form can end in the next season. The story needs more!

A golden apple will be hated by those made of wrought iron. Jealousy is an ugly adversary, and an uglier master.

I really liked your take on her character! Really hope we get to see more of the real her next season, not as Carmy's gf per se, because he still has a long way to go, but to give her story (and this chapter of his life that was their relationship) some closure Just subscribed to your channel! Cant wait to see more of you content also ✨️

I’ve watched both of ur vids and they r really great! Keep up the amazing work 🩵✨

I don't see anything compelling about Claire. Someone said they show her like they would a deceased gf/wife, and I agree. She has no umph, no spark that makes me want to know more about her. I don't know if that is because of the writing, the actress, or what. Claire is a basic character that gets applauded for it 🤷‍♀️. The other characters are so invested and keep acting like Claire is the best thing since sliced bread, but we are never shown that. They had two seasons to show us and did nothing. One of my biggest gripes is how they said this wasn't a show about romance (something along those lines), but then turned around and shoved Claire in for Carmy, who in my opinion, doesn't need to be with anyone and I think it would be way more compelling to see him make attempts at working through his trauma, not pining over someone he gave the wrong number to.

I both love Claire and also love this spot on analysis. It would great if the show subverts the MPG like 500 Days of Summer did.

I don't understand how you understood the concept of Claire being an idea and still seem resentful over the fact she wasn't more "3 dimensional". The show wrote perfectly all women with complexity, literally all of them, they just cut Claire to a dream like idea of an happiness Carmy is not able to reach at this point.

I was never bothered by Claire, but I do hope we get to see more layers of her character in the next season. I really like the actor and want to see her have more to do as this character.

«differently able college kids»? And said in the more nonchalant and inocuous way like it was always that way...

i mean the problem is as a woman i see myself not only with my issues i see it with the male gaze and the male gender's problems. this is the thing that made me ''pick me, it girl, cool girl, pixie girl'' in the first place. because if i want to survive in this world i need to see myself and understand myself with the understanding of male gender. and sometimes, most of the times you become that shell that protects you from men. And your story start to fade and now you are the someone's version

Claire unloved. Seriously. No way.

what you're bumping up against is the panderwall, the one that replaced the previous panderwall. let me explain. before a certain time in pop culture (2012ish?) white girls were good for being quirky and fun (but a little hopeless lol) and gently nudging "Our Hero(tm)" in the right direction. After the Pandershift, white girls became ascendant, glistening, living gods who can do anything, be anything, and act as the North Star to any musty crusty guy struggling with stuff (who should probably just go head and delete hisself over his toxic masculinity if we're being honest). Manic Pixie Dream GIrls have simply evolved into Magically Perfect Disrespected Goddesses.

what pissed me off about Claire is that she puts up with Carmy’s bullshit in a way no living woman would. He literally had a meltdown in the fridge saying that loving her is useless and she just walks away and thanks Richie, crying softly. she never truly gives Carmy shit for giving her the wrong number! she’s just not… real

Carmy is the manic pixie dream girl. Claire is grounded and mature the whole time despite the chaos of Carmy and everyone he knows

I don't think people would care so much about Claire's underdeveloped character if they hadn't made a point to give so much development to characters with even less screentime than her. We had a whole Christmas episode with Carmen's entire family and I feel like I know them better than her. That's weird... unless that's entirely the point. We don't know her cause Carmy doesn't know her.

who's the girl at 3:59?

I kinda think her underutilization adds to the very one sided narrative the show gives us Carmy Sees her more as an escape rather than a real individual who could be just as flawed as any of the other characters she’s not given room to be complex because narratively and in Carmys mind she is perfect and exist as a symbol of being “good” in this very hectic, stressful and morally complex story I think her career also plays a role into how we the audience (and carmy) view her she’s a good person and is often praised by carmys family as such but she’s most likely extremely stressed by her job and is just trying to be ok like everyone else in the story but we don’t get to see it because no one is willing to look past her perceived perfection and we (and carmy) often grow irritated or feel inferior too this false idea of her

Thanks for making and sharing this! Claire is a really interesting and compelling character and I hope we get to see more of her story and a resolution to her conflict with Carmy in future seasons. It’s frustrating how a lot of character hate in 2024 still boils down to “woman” and “not my ship”, especially since there are obvious parallels between her and Carmy, but she just hasn’t been fleshed out yet. If anything, people should get frustrated with the writers, not the characters themselves.

just to defend some sydcarmy shippers, I'm a loose fan (if somehow they get together, cool, but I watch the show for the family aspect) and I didn't like Claire in the first place. I didn't even entertain the idea Sydney and Carmy as a potential relationship until like 2 months after I watched season 2, so I don't think it's the most unbiased thing to immediately jump to shipping on why people don't like her. My biggest problem was the very out-of-nowhere nature of her showing up.

I absolutely can't stand Claire because she reminds me of every badly written fanfiction I read when I was 13. "Omg, Y/N? She's so awesome..." "I'm going to call Y/N, she knows how to handle this!" Even the scene where Carmy is stuck in the walk-in makes me cringe. She listens to him rant about their relationship being a waste of time and walks off as the center of attention while somehow remaining angelic and kind to everyone, thanking Richie for the evening. "What did you say to Y/N?? You made her cry!" It would be interesting if this perfect person was something Claire tried to portray. Instead she just IS that person. She needs an additional dimension because she's completely flat.

I tried a couple episodes and I couldn't get into it. my favorite shows of all time are Pushing Daisies, the OA, Sense8, 12 Monkeys, Charmed, Westworld, Orphan Black, The Get Down, Anne with an E, Maniac, Black Mirror, Electric Dreams, Fallout, Marvelous Ms Maisel, Jessica Jones, The 100, etc. (i also like first 5 seasons of GOT, and the new show HOTD.) I watch an obscene amount of TV. I do watch stuff that's just about normal humans living life but they dont usually get to top 10 status. i was just kinda bored or stressed out the first 2 episodes & then i realized i wasnt even following the plot bcuz i was getting so annoyed by them yelling at each other that i tuned it out. 😂

pls continue uploading, nia

Phenomenal video

Oh dear lord, I'm not ready for a "500 days of summer"esque ending for carmy and claire to this already chaotic mix 😅

Ok, so I've watched the show, and maybe I'm interpreting things wrong, but when Carmy and Syd meet, it's like one of those real "meet-cute" kind of things, was I seeing things when I thought that?, I don't know, so when Claire comes on the scene, I'm not surprised an old flame is back in the picture, but then I got the feeling the show runners were really wanted that to be the real relationship, but it feels fake to me. Syd and Carmy are messy, but they are real, and they communicate (well, except for the elephant in the room), but the really try to grow and improve each other. If it ends up that the show runners only want their relationship to just be "good friends" I'm all for that, I hate the idea that people with a connection always "have" to end up together romantically, but secretly I do want it, lol

girl just subscribed not only bc of the great video essay. but dw as one of your favorite shows. i know you have great taste :)

I always think they shoot Claire like a dead wife from a cop film. Totally idealised I do think a Claire episode would be good. Even showing her finding it hard to be the manic pixie dream girl, having to pep herself up into being the perfect girlfriend.