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I would love to statistically analyse your data.. bc my hypothesis is that the higher killrates and the shorter game times are better explained by the higher dc rates in the slug playstyle. Also a 3k should be considered a win at least if all the gens weren't done. Otherwise the data is pretty meaningless unless every hooking game the player slugs for the 4k.

The thing is, from a developper point of view the game is balanced and they can hardly do better than keep doing minimal tweaks to perks and powers, as for the player experience the game truely is survivor sided they have an overwhelming advantage in number of player, perk playstyle, item... But this potential goes to waste most of the time, when killer usually run a trial with 2 meta addons, 4 perks and a plan in head, survivors just launch a game most likely in soloq or duoq, most of the time teamate don't bring any item or low quality item/addon and there is 0 coordination with them It doesn't stop there, survivors as a whole also have a much worse mentality than killers, they start trolling, playing less efficiently or straight up give up on hook or disconnect when they are unhappy which happen almost every game, "I don't like this killer, boring gameplay, my teamate are bad, we lost the advantage we're going to lose anyways let's go next", killers on the other hand cannot give up easily, if they disconnect they get a penalty and no bloodpoints and there is no way to give up on hook, survivors will finish all gens, 99 gates then waste your time until you push them out and probably post the clip online, which is why people usually don't give up as killer If you look at a match with 5 new players, the killer will have a much easier time winning because the difficulty of this role is created by the survivors, if they cannot hit skillchecks and complete generators you have more time to find them and chase, it's easier to follow a beginner and hit, than loop a killer which abilities you don't know about, your teamate also don't know what to do and may run into the killer or let you die on hook But if you look at a match between 5 really good players, survivors brought items, they are communicating, they run meta perks, they know how to waste killers time and they will force chase away from gens being worked on, hooking is basically useless, you are wasting time by picking up a survivor, risking to get flashed then you have to go all the way to a hook, easily losing 5-15s for every hook you do, and since you are against experienced players, they will stick to the gens as much as they can, you spend 30s earning a hook state and that's 1/3 of a gen multiplied by 3 and now you have to search a survivor and repeat the process, which is why competitive player tend to slug, you put someone out of the game temporarily, you don't lose time and they can't pick themselves up unless they use a perk Devs are trying to accomodate both ends of the stick, not giving swf too much power and not making the game too hard for new players / soloq I don't think this game can be fully balanced it would imply that survivors either always perform at their best or at their worst, or that perk/base game would work differently if you play soloq or swf, making two differents games with differents rules

I started playing DBD a short time ago and I use your videos to learn, your content is incredible <3

This would explain why I got a slugging Ghostface today

You know when tunneling was at its lowest? When about 2 years slow down perks acutally worked, they gave killers an actual fighting chance. "Meta shift" is a fancy word used to gut killers exclusively that's why perks like made for this, windows, spine chill rarely get touched where as something like Thanatophobia can just existnand get gutted. The fact thqt people think the current spirit is broken 😂😂, if only when they played without the audio que nerf. Spirit, blight are now only a shell of how they once used to be. I started maining billy and then they added the nitrous boost fine but they changed the turn rates.... now i keep overflicking. Same for bubba, made it harder to punish risky head ons and pallet drops if you look even 1° degree away

This video will make unbreakable basekit

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Oh Jesus Christ almighty let’s not push slug meta this is not going to end well lmfao

this video has caused alot of increases of slugging in the games i've come across, this has not helped the difference but has given more player t do this and it is actual a detriment to the community.

Wigliff, love it

Slugging is lame if a killer does it all game. It’s only a good strategy and sportsmanlike if they’re doing it to slow down gen progress at 3 or 4 completed gens. Otherwise it’s just trash play, imo. And I play both K and S.

This would all be avoided if they just let survs get up on their own. Just make the time to recover a little longer or give the surv hindered condition for 60 seconds after recovering or until healed. Or even give them deep wound so they still have another timer but are still able to combat slugging.

horrible take

What I don't get is what's so different about slugging from hooking from the survivor perspective? What makes being slugged so much worse? You die much slower? You can't rage quit without penalty? You can crawl slowly? Your perks don't work? Items aren't useful? Is it that the killer can camp? I don't understand why one's so hated and the other is just regarded as normal when both are regular game mechanics and are so similar.

everyone doubts the no mither now look at them

alf : it's whatever homie ☺

I started playing dbd a couple months ago I have 10k shards and the only killers I have are the base ones + Sadako and unknown should I buy artist?

As a killer main I can't think of anything more boring than trying to slug 4 survivord and being rewarded with 9k bloodpoints.

4K as a win, and that being 75% of the time with and chance to increase that by being left on the ground for 4 minutes. Wooo what a good time to play survivor.

The slugging playstyle is more advantageous because it's a generally unfun playstyle that focuses more on "winning" than actually playing well. I think killer mains need to stop expecting a 4k. Why is a 2k not a good game? If you're up against a really good team, 1k is a win!

But remember, no one would actually want a surrender button /s, like one of the devs said reactng to that old scott fake patch notes video :D.

This just makes me sure that survivors should be able to pick themselves up if you slug them for to long killers got respawning hooks and a free mori give survivors the ability to not be slugged for 4 minutes which makes the game not fun

Personally, I only really have two scenarios where I slug: 1.) I'm trying to deny hatch for the last survivor because the person I just downed is dead on hook. 2.) I'm up against a squad trying to use lame tactics (flashlight spam, hook sabatoge, gen rushing w/ toolkits, ect) where slugging is the only real way to not get steamrolled. Sometimes I slug outside of those two cases when it's strategically better to do. Although it isn't very often considering the build I use rewards me for hooking.

So slugging is the new meta, got it

Forbade slugging is not a strategy it is taking the game hostage and not playing as intended. The point of the game is to down survivors at hook them. Points and scoring are based around that and the devs just need to realize that they need to make how the games attended to be played more important. Slugging one person at a time is a useful tool but it should be an entire play style. It’s the same issue as survivors who don’t interact with generators at all and just hide the entire match. If you’re not participating in actual gameplay then what’s the point?

13:57 ''bootleg fuckle up'' 😂

Now I know what was going on... (Survivor Main) got on my nerves, think I blocked half the list in the description.

I love the premise of the experiment, but I fear the results that will be taken by BHVR if enough people take up this playstyle. Instead of providing some pressure relief for Killers, maybe reverting the timer on hooks from 70s back to 60s, or giving counters for commonly abused perks like DS; instead, the devs will instead look at providing Unbreakable basekit for the survivor players, while increasing the efficiency of recovery time, or even making it unlimited for those that decide to bring the perk itself. Regardless of what I think, I think this is a good video.

Not gonna lie despite slugging and tunneling being looked down upon, with all the second chance perks, flashlights and instant pops of gens, I simply don't care. I want to try and win even if I'm gonna get hate for it. Especially when I see so many talking about the need for the survivors to have fun, which yes they do, but then these survivors will proceed to taunt and troll the moment that things fall into their favor.

Slugging has rarely performed worse... Based on 200 hours running slug build Pig. It was a little harder when exponential first came out. Tunneling one survivor out at a time and slugging everyone else is really nasty on Myers and probably most instadown killers.

with Killers having a majority of over 50% win rate I see no reason to purposely bring a slugging build/enter a match with the intension to slug. Killers won their matches a lot more than survivors with some maps even having 100% win rate. Not to mention that the maps have shrunken in the past few updates to accommodate for killers who are not the best at movement (they also got hook respawn for hook incentive). I see no real reason to change the meta to slugging for everyone. If you yourself like to slug go ahead, but I wouldn't tell everyone else to start doing it unless you want to see the attitude towards the game significantly drop.

"I play survivor, don't hate me." Someone brought a perk I don't like let me tunnel out someone else.

1000% the only problem with distortion is that it’s ONLY used by players that hide. You will never see a flashlight clicking player using this perk, because they don’t need to hide. It’s even worse in soloQ because you’re facing 4 killers instead of 1. Your teammates don’t exist and the killer is forced to tunnel you

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I’m curious why you didn’t count 3Ks as a win?

My favorite thing with her is that you don’t need to break pallets, once the pallet is dropped, they are forced into a lose/lose situation, if they vault they die, if they don’t you just m1 them

As a Ghost face main I rarely slug unless it’s simply just obvious to do so. I hate just down then down then down and no hooks. If I down, especially if at least 2 or more are alive and up then I hook. I take that risk, even if flashlights are in play, if I know they are near then I might scare them away but otherwise I’ll pick up. The stalking from ghost face just to me at least, seems the best when I hook, they run to hook and I stalk em and build up the meter. I could achieve the same result from mega slugging but I don’t personally do that, makes it boring honestly. I like chases, gives me a rush of adrenaline. Especially when I mark someone and they are venerable to a insta down. And if I play other killers, mostly pig and xeno, sometimes unknown and lich. It still feels best for me to not slug, again with chases, I have better chances in my opinion. But oh well, it’s just me. Sluggin ain’t fun and it’s makes the game boring. Even tho it can be basically the best way to win, it’s not how the game should be played. Just play how you want in the long run.

I would have loved some actual bar charts or other means of visualizing the data. Maybe even some analysis of how statistically significant the difference was between the two play styles, but I get why you wouldn't go into that just for a RUclips video and that it is relatively pointless to actually perform a lot of statistical analysis on the data. I am simply more used to seeing data presented that way, so it's totally just personal preference. You did a great job regardless and the effort everyone put into this experiment is admirable.

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Slugging is grieving and if enough people report you, you get banned. So please stop to animate people to slug 🙄

This certainly showed a Killer favored game of DbD.

Dbd is one of the most dogshit designed games EVER made, gamemodes, monetisation, survivor - killer balance, 80% of killers being straight garbage compared to high tier killers, absolute trash map rng, the list goes on, lack of games in the same genre keeps it alive

Leave it to dead by daylight to have people do unethical experiments to one another. Easiest point - Not all parties/subjects consented. Ever heard of the Nuremberg Code before?

This video just proves slugging is a problem

It's funny how he juge your artist After playing 3min of gameplay against you 😂.

“I play both sides” but shows complete bias towards killer aha I’m sorry but slugging shouldn’t be in the game, having a mechanic that denies the opposing player to do anything in the game is ridiculous. All your data shows that hooking is very much viable and the win% is above the desired win rate set by the devs. The majority of games are played by soloQ and therefore sabo/background player would be quite rare, these perks are used more frequently in SWF’s so for the majority of the games slugging isn’t required, if they are using these builds then by all means slug, it’s the counter but just slugging for the fun of it is obnoxious.

Perhaps you should analyze how it your video created a horrible game experience for all those players your slugging players left slugged. As well as how this video and those who are doing commentary on this video of yours is leading to more slugging now. There is a uptick on slugging, I and others have notice after this experiment video which you didn't seem to have any issue with harming others game with your experiment. Really insensitive, as is Streamers in a game make a game harder to be in when in SoloQ. Perhaps analyze why you and other DBD players are fine with making others suffer for your video? Your statistics are useless other than the weird power trip by you.

like honestly, if winning is all that killers are thinking of that they're thinking "oh im going to slug survivors until they die and cant do anything" then just give me a free DC. You can have the win idgaf. I'd rather go next. At this point, the survivor isnt even playing the game.

i think "using the scientific method to prove why bhvr doesn't understand their own game" is my new favourite genre of dbd videos

Good video