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First of all, define me what is an Okey sound and what is a bad sound since I think we have different definitions of that. To be a world soloist I think is important to start young because you have to participate in competitions In order to make a name and then play with important orchestras. Also, why you do tell me to find an adult that plays Okey for 18 months and when I do you say that he is bad. Like the tone quality he achieved with that Last piece for only two years was better than average. You tell me the kid was still growing but this man for example don't, what kind of nonsense. You are comparing a 3 years level to the 10 years kid. Although is easier and faster to learn as a young kid, that doesn't implies you cannot play great if you practice hard enough. Unless sounding Okey is to play wienawsky for you. About the violinist that start at 16, you can know to read music but the finger association of the notes requieres time. I can sight read violin but not piano because I don't know which finger is related to that note. If you played the piano when you were younger and at your 30s decide to learn the violin that person is going to achieve a good level at it?

@@mauriziochirca8939 I cannot, because you don't have trained ear so you will not notice 9 out of 10 out of tune notes and other flaws. The adult you think is OK has every note out of tune, his playing is miserable. His tone quality is hopeless, as his right arm forever lost the chance to develop the needed habits of movement. The result after practicing hard enough depends on the talent first of all, so the vast majority of people have no chance even of started young. But one needs to understand that learning is not linear. After three years an adult could seem to sound similar to a kid that plays for three years. Then the kid progresses forward and the adult is stuck forever, as, for example, fast precise shifts are unacheivable, but without them there is no playing. Similar to mount Everest: both I and a pro climber can start the journey: lock the house door, go downstairs, reach airport, fly, land, get the bus to the station, walk the firstvthree miles, we both seem the same. Then he goes further and I stay. Kerganov was proficient at piano, his finers were agility trained, strong, supple, his brain was trained to react to music. And he was just 16. At 30? no chance for anybody. No chance of good level. But you can start the journey like ai did with Everest :) Another example is this: both I and great chef can peel potatos for a dish beautifully. But then he goes on to cook an amazing neal and I just boil potatoes. A similar seeming start does not mean similar further progress at all. That boy in the video at age 4 could do shifts that later allowed him to play Wieniawsky as wow.

​@@MishaSkripachit has good tone for the years he is claiming playing. I heard worst intonations trust me. He will progress if continues practicing hard. Also this student of the video maybe just wants to play easy melodies he wants to play, what's the problem with that in order to you to say things like is helpless practicing. But you already said you don't belive in hard practice only inborn talent. What you do is using times that aren't normal for a regular learner like wienawsky in only 4 years and use that as a Standart for any student out there and then you comment to him he is not going to inprove

@@mauriziochirca89391. " it has good tone for the years he is claiming playing". NO, it has an average tone of someone who will never play well. 2"I heard worst intonations trust me" - of course! I can find lots of numbers below -250000, but is still below 0. .3. " He will progress if continues practicing hard". Or yeas, he will, in 20 years of practice -25000 will become -24995. 4 "Also this student of the video maybe just wants to play easy melodies he wants to play, what's the problem with that in order to you to say things like is helpless practicing." - no rpoblem, it is just bad playing. 5 "But you already said you don't belive in hard practice only inborn talent" - I did NOT say that. A Lamborghini still needs fuel to drive. However, no amount of fuel would make a vacuum cleaner race. Hard practice is essential, however only "Lamborghinis" will get to play well. No talent will achieve without hard practice. .6 " What you do is using times that aren't normal for a regular learner like wienawsky in only 4 years and use that as a Standart for any student out there" - I use standareds for average pro music schools. Wieniawsky Scherzo-tarantella is a piece that a 10y old should be aple to play, if he to have any hope of professional career (even as an orchestra member) 7 "comment to him he is not going to inprove" - a person can get 5m closer to the foot of mount Everest, still won't reach the summit. Is this an improvement, or a waste of time?

@@MishaSkripach 1 - imagine someone said that to your son when he was five years playing 2 - dumbass comment no need to anwser 3 - same 4 - no need to ask since it's the same bullshit you said in 2 and 3 5 - you said : practice don't make perfect and said that violin is something only a few can play good. If you don't remember something like that go to the doctor, maybe you have memory issues. Using a Lamborghini here is a metaphor you use for talent. Like something it's just high quality without "fuel" 6, if your Standart for violin is the time people achieve when practice 10 hours a day and say that is the only way to play good the violin you are so doomed. As I said I can agree with you that to be able to live as a soloist or renamed Orchestra musician in a prestigious academy you have to start at a young age since the way to make you a name in classical music is to perform in competitions to attract a good teacher and then give you various masterclasses. Those competition are by age so is impossible to participate if you are older than what they expect. You can be worse than a high quality soloist or an orchestra player. You can't say only the better of the world play good and the rest plays bad. Both can play good although one of them would be better since it had better teachers and masterclasses 7 - you are repeating so much with the same arguments. Next time put only one time the same thing

@@MishaSkripach look that elitism. I didn't know that in order to learn something you have to choose that at a specific age. Like imagine learning a new language and say that is impossible because you are beyond your age. Maybe you're projecting. I guess you're not the kid and I have nothing against him but as I see through your channel, he started like at age 3, maybe 4 taken seriously, and interpretations 3 years later are not that good. But hey, keep messing with others saying bad things. Not all people are borned in a musical ambient to discover such things at age 3. Have a nice day😊

@@mauriziochirca8939 No elitism at all, just reality against deluded hopefullness. Well, learning certain physical skills, such as fugure skating, gymnastics, ballet, string instruments, piano, HAS to start long before puberty. A comparison with sport, triple lutz, when figure skating lessons started at age 30, WON't happen. EVER. To sound OK on violin, one's hands should be advanced to the point of a triple lutz. Yes, learning a foregin language to speak without accent is IMPOSSIBLE if tarting at 30. The kid now played Tchaikovsky violin concerto with a major orchestra, at age 12, which is world class level (only several people in the world could master this concerto at this age). He also has perfect pitch which is on a label of 10 best people in the world. The fact that you could not recognise his incredible abilities means DEAFNESS. You will not be sound as good as he was at 6, at any age. However, he is not the subject of our dialog, you are. There is no need to start at 3, starting at 6 is OK, but perfect pitch will not develop then. To close the argument, find a sinle adult learner who achieved reasonable level of OK playing. There is NONE. However, you can take up watercolour, this does not require flexibility of muscles. I await your demonstration of 1 (one, only one!) person who started on violin after 18 and achieve an OK sounding violin playing.

​​​@@MishaSkripach yeah, I saw that now he is really good. My point was that 3 years later since he started playing he's intonation wasn't great. Maybe the deaf here are you since is very noticeable. Nowadays he improved a lot and he is in tune. That was an example that even with 3 years of playing wasn't perfect and this video stated a year and a half of progress. Also, I think the point here is that majority of adult learners are more into pop music than classical. For me I think playing classical staff is what improve your technique. For me there is no age to start learning because it can be learned, although having a teacher is a must. And yeah, it's better to start earlier because when you are an adult you don't have the time to practice eight hours a day. Perfect pitch is something you born with. You can train your relative pitch but a few people in this world have perfect pitch. I would found an example of people learning the violin but I'm not that much into progress videos and as I said the adult generally wants to play pop staff. No one is going to practice in order to play wienawsky or Paganini. Look, I found recently a man that started at age 16 ruclips.net/video/kDR5sv5NmoM/видео.htmlsi=SIiIAvFr4ZcA3ayO. Is just an excerpt but to me sound good. He wasn't 18 but there is a difference of two years. At 16 you start doing things with your life so time is shortened to dedicate to practice. I found another: ruclips.net/video/H8MaCtHmDVM/видео.htmlsi=U70RrUi_PwJ9_w1N

@@mauriziochirca8939 My point is: ONLY children can cross the barrier from bad to OK. ONLY them, this is nothing to do with "elitism"? this is biology. Pitch feeling ONLY develops during childhood, fingers dexterity ONLY develops during childhood, BONES of the arms ONLY adjust to twisting during childhood. aA pensioner insisting on becoming a ballerina is a laughing stock. But violin playin is ballet of arms, gymnastics, it is physical and neurological. While, as you think, the child was still off, his outstanding perfect pitch was developing, his sense of rhythm was developing, he was learning to sight read with the speed of light. Those things are only possible in a growing body. Some things a impossible for an adult, period. Think learning a truly foreign (not connected with yours) language at the age of 40 - won't happen!! One will be able to speak, but never to create poetry. But some things, such as painting, are not connected with physical things. It is only mind. These are possible for an adult. Look how quick you are to attack a different opinion. This is because deep down you know you are wasting your time. And it is cruel not to let you know sbout it. A 60y old who takes mountaneering, will NOT EVER reach the Everest summit. Why? Is he/she too bad? NO. THEY ARE OT YOUNG enough for such height. Violin sounds awful for a very long period, until the physical skills are truly advanced. An adult learner will not achieve that barrier level! That's why any improvements will not matter, as it is all still under the threshold, still bad playing, and it is entirely physical. No, perfect pitch is not inborn. The predisposition to have perfect pitch is inborn, some people have it, some not. But without the early exposure to precise pitches and their NAMES perfect pitch won't develop. Playing violin really well without perfect pitch is not possible? however some mediocre "good" level can be achieved, usually such people graduate and then teach, as they cannot make a career by playing. I will look at the links now, thank you

@@mauriziochirca8939 Please see separate comm/ Also, little kids play 1/10 size violins, these are plainly impossible to play in tune, even for a professor. they are not instruments, they are training decises.

it’s hilarious how you are so offended! I love it

@@MsHoneyPanda I am not offended. The grown man wastes his time torturing video lin, he cannot play and neber will. No point.

@@MishaSkripach You are the mother of the child on your channel right?

@@MsHoneyPanda teacher

This is dishonest. You know very well that not adult could achieve moderately good level on violin, the same as no adult could learn figure skating triple jumps. Taking money for misleading hopeful fools is so cruel.

Thank you for your comments, great to hear that you have stuck out the struggle into a second year, 😀. Regarding my daily practise, this has varied from 2 hours during the initial months to as little as 15 mins following the birth of our son, on average my daily practise would be 1 hour.

Just started second year of violin, and I'm 68 😊.. proof you can teach an old girl new tricks.

@@myviolinjourney.9821 Do you realise that you cannot play and won't ever be able to play? It is so sad to see all the effort wasted.

It is this level of negativity which drives people to exceptional things. I hope you are ok.

@@myviolinjourney.9821 I am OK, I don't need deluding myself to feel good. you are not OK.

Great to hear that you made it through the first year, in my opinion this is the most difficult period, once I noticed an improvement in my sound it made practising much more enjoyable both for myself, my family and neighbours. 🙂. Of course there is a long way to go. Good luck with your journey.

Thank you for your comments, I am happy to say that I have continued my journey but have been slack on posting recent updates. I'll be posting an update very soon, I have in fact decided to go down the examination route, having recently completed the 'Preliminary Grade' exam, I'll post the clip to show my recent progress.

Excellent, I’ll turn on my notifications from your channel. Will be interesting to see your progress.

Hey, originally I wanted to learn cello, but I travel a lot for work and so wanted something to accompany me, that's pretty much how i landed on violin, Viola looked too odd to me, although I am told it is easier to learn by comparison to violin.

Hey Gary, thanks for the feed back, I have been working on the points you highlighted in the time since publishing this particular video (9 months ago), so I'm keen to see how the 2 years progress vid will compare when i create it in July 23. It has been quite the journey so far. Looking forward to having a crack at some more technically challenging pieces, good luck with your development goals.

Hey James, thanks for the detailed feedback, love the gym analogy, strangely i had not thought about it like that, makes perfect sense. I agree with all the points you have highlighted and have been trying to work through them since this video was published. In 3 months time i will be at my 2 year point, I'm confident that there will be notable improvements. That being said, I cannot help myself when it comes to attempting more technically challenging pieces, so perhaps this will benchmark if I'm actually ready to take them on. From a genre perspective, I'm leaning more toward the Irish fiddle/ Gypsy style of music given that my playing ambitions are light entertainment at parties, however this is always subject to change. Exciting times.

Thank you from Australia, wish you all the best with your playing.

Thank you, the last piece is an Irish fiddle tune called, 'Swallow Tail Jig'.

Hey, practice times have varied depending on other commitments. Don't beat yourself up about how much time you 'should' practise. During the lockdowns, I could practise for a couple of hours. There was a period over a few months when I would be lucky to get 15 mins. Over time I have found that 1 to 1.5 hours work well for me, and I have been able to sustain that on a daily basis.

Thank you for your comments. I'm now 9 months further along in my learning and can identify the glaring issues in my playing from the 12-month point. Looking forward to sharing my 2 years' progress when I reach that point. Really happy with my progress so far, so much so that I feel the beginner sound is no more. lol