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Our goal is simple: to create a safe, welcoming space where you can recharge, connect, and rediscover your passions. From detailed guides on emulation and tech restoration to chill gameplay sessions and discussions, Save Room is a hub for enthusiasts who love to combine the past with the present.
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Fix Intel CPU Voltage Issues NOW | Microcode 0x12B Update for 12th & 13th & 14th Gen Processors
Prevent Intel CPU degradation and improve your PC’s performance with advanced BIOS settings for Intel 13th and 14th Gen CPUs, including i5-13600K, i7-13700K, i9-13900K, and i9-14900K. In this comprehensive guide, we cover how to apply the Intel 0x12B microcode update, undervolt safely, and enable Core Voltage Efficiency Protection (CEP). Learn how to mitigate voltage spikes, adjust AC/DC Load Lines, and fine-tune power limits for optimal stability.
We provide detailed BIOS configurations for major motherboards like ASUS, MSI, and Gigabyte, helping you apply safe CPU voltage limits while maintaining default Intel settings. This video explains the principles behind Load Line Calibration (LLC...
We provide detailed BIOS configurations for major motherboards like ASUS, MSI, and Gigabyte, helping you apply safe CPU voltage limits while maintaining default Intel settings. This video explains the principles behind Load Line Calibration (LLC...
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🔧Intel CPU Degradation & Bending Fix: My 1-Year Experience on LGA 1700 | ☝ Thermalright Frame
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Are you experiencing overheating or CPU degradation with Intel's LGA 1700 socket CPUs? In this video, I review the Intel Core i5-13600K after a full year of use and discuss how I fixed my CPU bending issue using the Thermalright CPU frame. This is a real solution that saved me from performance drops and potential CPU damage. I also cover the broader issue affecting Intel’s LGA 1700 socket, whic...
Heroes of Might and Magic: The Rise, Fall, and Future of a Legendary Series | New Era and Olden Era
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Heroes of Might and Magic is a legendary strategy game series that has left an indelible mark on the gaming world. With its unique blend of tactical depth and accessibility, the series has captured the hearts of fans worldwide. In this video, we explore the evolution of the franchise-from its early groundbreaking successes to the iconic Heroes of Might and Magic III, hailed as one of the greate...
Undervolt Tutorial for Intel 13th & 14th Gen (14700k,14900k, 13700K, 13900K): microcode 0x12B, 0x129
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Unlock the full potential of your Intel 13th and 14th Gen CPUs-13600K, 13700K, 13900K, 14600K, 14700K, 14900K-while reducing heat and power consumption! In this ultimate undervolt tutorial, we walk you through the step-by-step process of undervolting on Gigabyte Z790, Z690, B760, and B660 motherboards. What You'll Learn: - How to adjust BIOS settings to safely lower CPU voltage, enhance stabili...
Glad I waited and went with Intel 14600KS for $219 Trounces AMD even if AMD is 400 dollars. I checked, watched all the videos. DDR5 6200 stable @ 6200 as advertised, Thanks Patriot/Hynix! Built all new innards to replace my i7 4790/DDR3 system for $564 Running my first NVMe ever, glad I read a LOT and went Crucial Gen. 4 best bang for buck (PC MAG awards, etc. CT1000T500SSD8) 14600KS flies, and runs cool. Also from reading a lot, it has the lowest memory latency of any Intel CPU, and only a couple AMD were lower and more than double what I paid for. X3D CPUs do poorly at MM, compared to mine, also X3D gaming is only a little better, IF you stick to 1080p Do not buy the hype!
My 13600K requires CPU Lite Load 12 to be stable (default was 18 after latest bios / microcode 0x12B) I haven't changed anything else other than Lite load type to MSI (instead of Intel) and of course im using the Intel default profile, perhaps my CPU is starting to degrade? I have until 2027 to RMA, currently it's maxing out at 1.35V VCORE with HWInfo monitoring all day, CPU was purchased on launch (Oct 2022) MSI Pro Z690-A DDR4, in OCCT my IA Domain loadline is showing 1.100 / 1.100 mOhm.
If i can ask you to to this same with asus board I would gladly pay or donate something...
Thank you so much for the kind offer, but no need to pay or donate! I really appreciate your support. I’m working on covering settings for more motherboards, including ASUS boards, so stay tuned for future videos. 😊 Your patience means a lot-I'll do my best to make it helpful for you! Could you let me know your setup-CPU, motherboard model, and any specifics?
@ Absolutely, I actually did try, but wasnt sure and its hard to follow when I see different thing on the screen. I recently build i5 14600kf asus b760i strix, 64gb trident z 6000mhz cl32, noctua nh9L, nr200p case.. everything is good but I want temperatures from the cpu a bit lower if I could, I got the latest bios, thats the first thing I done when I booted for the first time, just not so skilled in this area. Thank you
Great video. I recently purchased a 14600kf and MSI B760 Gaming Plus MB, in HWinfo the VID MAX is between 0.95-1.04 and cpu temperatures between 35C and 70C depending on load, feels like Im safe with the current settings or should I still go through your steps?
Thanks for the kind words! 😊 Your temps and VID MAX seem pretty safe, especially with the range you're seeing. If you're happy with the performance and stability, you might not need to make changes. However, applying the settings in the video can help ensure long-term safety and potentially lower temps further. It's worth a try if you want to optimize, but it’s not absolutely necessary if everything is working perfectly for you right now. 👍
Thank you for the video. Semi intens loads were causing thermal throttling under load before using the settings. Now, it reaches a maximum 90C during CPU burn-in. My specs are an MSI Z790-A DDR4 version with a 13700K processor. Gaming sessions used to also always hit thermal throttling but now only reach a maximum of about 78°C. I will report back if I encounter any issues with gaming or stability.
You're welcome, and thanks for sharing your experience! It’s great to hear that the settings helped reduce thermal throttling and improved your gaming temps significantly. With a 13700K, hitting a max of 78°C during gaming is solid. Keep monitoring performance and stability, and feel free to update if you run into anything. Happy gaming! 🎮🔥
I9 14900kf user here mines been fine from day 1 of use had it since october last year the voltages are with in spec no undervolt no nothink no blue screens no crashes the thing is chilled as hell with a 420mm aio
That’s awesome to hear! Sounds like you got a great chip with solid silicon quality. 💪 The 420mm AIO is definitely doing its job keeping things cool. If you apply the settings from the video, you might be able to achieve even better efficiency or unlock a bit more performance. Worth giving it a shot if you’re up for it! 🎉
@@saveroomorg yeah i hit lucky I guess it crushes games paired with a 4090 and ddr5 64gb ram and 4tb pro 990 ssd I will try your setting see what extra I get out of it thanks dude 👍 also the aio is a arctic 420 aio with upgraded p140 max fans case fans 7 arctic p120 max fans highest temps on the cpu 65° to 70° depending on game mostly 65° tho 😀
This has been an awesome fix, thank you! I've also installed a contact frame that got my temps down and extra 10°c. However, on an all core test in Cinebench R23, the performance cores are nerfed down the 5.1Mhz on my 14700K, despite there being temp headroom. Any adjustments, on top of the advice here that I can use the increase this? My temps don't go above 77°c on the package.
Glad to hear the guide worked for you and that the contact frame brought temps down even further! 🎉 As for the performance cores dropping to 5.1GHz during an all-core load, this is likely due to power limits or BIOS settings. Make sure your PL1 and PL2 limits are set high enough (e.g., 253W) and that your IA AC Loadline is configured correctly (55 is recommended in most cases). Also, ensure the "Turbo Boost Power Time" setting isn't limiting performance. If you’ve already applied these tweaks and still see throttling, you might need to look into increasing your VRM-related limits or checking your LLC (Load Line Calibration) settings. Let me know if you need more detailed guidance! 💡
Hello, does it also work on an i7 13700k with an Asus Prime Gaming Z790 card? Thanks
Yes, it should work on your i7-13700K with the ASUS Prime Gaming Z790 motherboard. Just make sure your BIOS is updated to the latest version and follow the steps carefully. If you encounter any differences in menu names or options, feel free to ask for help! 👍
@saveroomorg ok thank you very much. yes indeed in my bios I can't find all the steps you do.
Damn !! Is the 12th gen affected as well?
12th-gen CPUs generally don’t have the same issues as the 14th gen, but it’s always a good idea to keep an eye on temps and voltages. If you’re running into any concerns or just want to optimize your setup, you can follow the settings from my videos-they're safe for both 12th and 13th gen too. Let me know if you have any specific questions!
I have i5 13600kf amd rx 6800 xt gigabyte b760m dsh3 ddr4, pc freezs while gaming can't move mouse or keyboard i shut down it , i used occt test it freezs whit no error too while under load cpu +ram
It sounds like your system is experiencing stability issues under load. Here are some steps you can try: - Check Temperatures: Use monitoring software like HWMonitor or HWInfo to check your CPU and GPU temperatures under load. High temps could indicate cooling issues. - Update BIOS: Make sure your motherboard BIOS is updated to the latest version. Gigabyte often releases updates to improve stability and compatibility. - Power Supply: Ensure your PSU is sufficient for your setup. The RX 6800 XT and i5-13600KF can draw significant power under load. - Memory Settings: If you're using XMP for your RAM, try disabling it temporarily to see if it stabilizes. Sometimes memory overclocking can cause freezing. - BIOS Settings: Apply Intel default settings and configure power limits (PL1/PL2) and IA AC/DC load lines appropriately. Check my videos for detailed guidance. - OCCT Testing: Since your system freezes under CPU + RAM load, test each component individually (e.g., just CPU or just RAM) to identify the cause. - Driver Updates: Ensure all your drivers, including GPU and chipset drivers, are up-to-date. If none of these steps help, it could be a hardware issue (like PSU, RAM, or motherboard). Let me know how it goes, and I’ll help you troubleshoot further! 😊
@saveroomorg hi, I have 750 w PSU , I used ur settings in this video and disabled xmp profile , tested ram using memtest 0 error, and right now I found out that freesync is causing freez in a forum, i disabled it and test don't cause freezs anymore, I guess it's the problem I'll update you if it's the problem in a week, it might be a good information to share with others in ur next vidéos freesync causing PC to freeze
@@saveroomorg hey new update, the problem was one fauly ram I change it everything works fine , not a freesync problem thank you bro
worth it to try with 14600k?
Absolutely, it's worth trying with the i5-14600K! Just make sure your BIOS is updated to the latest version to ensure compatibility and stability. Follow proper settings like tuning the power limits (PL1/PL2) and IA AC/DC Load Line for better thermals and efficiency. If you're unsure, check out my guides-they should help you get the most out of your 14600K safely! 😊
Hands down the best video ever 🎉🎉🎉
Thank you so much for the kind words! 🎉🎉🎉 I'm really glad you enjoyed it. Stay tuned-there’s more helpful content on the way! 😊
thanks for the video.
You're very welcome! I'm glad you found it helpful. 😊 Let me know if you have any questions or need further assistance! 🚀
yo i will get a new i7 14700kf from intel what should i do ? should i just download the newest bios version or should i set up sth
Yo! Congrats on getting the i7-14700KF! First, definitely update your motherboard to the latest BIOS version to ensure compatibility and stability with your CPU. After that, check out my video guide for optimizing BIOS settings-it covers safe and effective configurations to improve performance and reduce temps. If you’re unsure about anything, feel free to ask, and I’ll help you out!
@@saveroomorg Aight thank you will do that so should i not do the fix for the voltage that you explained in the video so with the degradation ?
Thanks dude, but won't there be any problems with the processor? (I bought it today) I have an i5 14600kf, in the end I set it to 180 watts, instead of 170
You're welcome! Setting the power limit to 180W instead of 170W shouldn't cause any problems for your processor. The i5-14600KF can handle it just fine as long as your cooling solution is adequate to keep temperatures under control. Keep an eye on your temps during heavy workloads to ensure everything is running smoothly. Congrats on your new CPU!
@saveroomorg Got it, thanks. And in general, all these machinations with enabling and disabling settings for the processor, will not have a negative effect? Now I have a temperature of 46-54 in games
I really need this for ASRock mobo, I cannot find anything trustworthy and the setting you showed aren’t the same for me:(
I understand your frustration! ASRock BIOS menus can indeed differ significantly from other brands, making it tricky to find the right settings. I'm currently working on a more detailed guide that includes ASRock motherboards. Stay tuned, and if you have specific settings or questions in the meantime, feel free to share them-I’ll do my best to help!
@saveroomorg That’s great, in the meantime I actually and did the following: long and short duration both on 180 cap voltage -50 with level 3 compensation (I do not have 1 and 2 for some reason) limited IA VR Voltage limit to 1.400 AC and DC Loadline both on 0.72 I’m having about ~10 degrees difference and didn’t notice any big performance drops or instability, but I’m wondering is there a better way to do this
Today I chose to upgrade my bios to fix the microcode problem etc and also reset my bios settings to default. Saw even 99 degrees when gaming. After I applied the settings you suggested it went down to around 70-75 max when gaming. Thanks a lot!
You're very welcome! I'm glad the settings helped bring those temps down significantly-99°C is definitely too high for gaming. Keeping it at 70-75°C is much safer and better for your CPU's longevity. If you need any further tweaks or have other questions, feel free to ask!
it's really difficult to do this on asrock mobo whitout proper guide for the brand, numbers are different. Menus are different...
I understand your frustration-ASRock motherboards can indeed have different layouts and terminology, making it tricky to follow general guides. I'll work on providing more brand-specific instructions in the future to help with this. In the meantime, try referring to your motherboard manual for equivalent settings, or feel free to ask here with specific options you're struggling with. I'll do my best to guide you
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@saveroomorg so i used 1.400 instead 1400 for the voltage but my performance dropped on half and my cpu was sitting 30 degrees no matter what, I'm trying to translate the settings but is a performance overkill. Tbh without proper guide can't do. it. My opinion now is to sit with the bios and if cpu degrade it have 5 years warranty anyway. Btw it cannot go above 80 degrees in any case with artcic cooler 3 420.
I'm planning to build a pc for music production but now it is ok to buy i7 14700k or should i go for some other cpu please tell me im a bit confused because of this intel 14th gen degradation thing
The i7-14700K is a powerful CPU for music production, offering excellent multi-core performance for DAWs and plugins. The concerns about Intel 14th-gen degradation mostly stem from improper settings or overvolting. As long as you use the right settings (like those shown in my videos) and ensure proper cooling, the CPU should perform reliably. If you're still unsure, the i7-13700K or AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D are great alternatives with proven stability. Let me know if you need help deciding!
i just installed a thermal grizzly frame on my z890 maximus extreme for my 285k . didn't really bench mark without the frame smh i just wanted to protect my investment. I came from a z390 godlike 9900k
Installing a Thermal Grizzly frame is a great step to protect your CPU investment, especially with high-performance setups like yours. Even without pre-frame benchmarks, you can be confident it’s helping with thermal efficiency and long-term reliability. The upgrade from a Z390 Godlike and 9900K to a Z890 Maximus Extreme with the 285k is a huge leap-enjoy the incredible performance boost! If you decide to test further or tweak settings, let me know how it goes!
@@saveroomorg sure will i also went from pcie 3.0 samsung 970 pro to pcie 4.0 samsung 990 pro i wanted one of the pcie 5.0 drives that have like a 15k gb/s but they are pricey and i spent $1000 on a fancy mother board with a 5' screen lol and then the new dominator titanium 96gb kit wasnt cheap but if you go to the new 200 series make sure you get the fastest speed ram possible i got 6600mhz i wish i got 9600mhz. This processor benefit's like extremely the faster ram you can run. thats to anyone going to any new 200 series chip and is reading this
Hi, I know u didn’t really go over this but should I enable “fast boot” or leave it on disabled? My bios default settings has this disabled just wondering if I enable it if it’ll mess anything up?
Hi! Fast Boot is designed to speed up the boot process by skipping some hardware initialization steps. For most systems, enabling Fast Boot won't cause any issues and can make startup quicker. However, if you frequently access the BIOS or switch hardware configurations (e.g., adding drives or peripherals), it might be better to leave it disabled to ensure everything initializes properly. If you're unsure, you can enable it and see how your system behaves. It’s easy to switch back if needed!
@@saveroomorg im sorry you did a really good job on the settings for the bios but having to do all this for my cpu just to not “burn itself” to death is too much. I ended up switching to AMD, I now have a Ryzen 9 7900X. And I’m loving it tbh. Thank you for everything tho!
Hello can u tell me the settings for i314100 i did power limit 1 and 2 to 110 but idk what so set core current limit thank u
For the i3-14100, setting PL1 and PL2 to 110W is reasonable for keeping temps in check while ensuring consistent performance. As for the core current limit, you can set it to around 90-100A, which should be sufficient for this CPU without causing instability. If you encounter any issues, you can adjust it slightly higher while monitoring the temps and stability. Let me know how it works out or if you need further assistance!
43K R23 Score, -.164v undervolt, running intel extreme base line. 420 AIO, under 80 degrees IA VR voltage limit is 1.4v AC/DC Loadlines both at 55 Vcore load line calibration is high -.165v cpu vcore offset
Great setup and impressive R23 score! The undervolt looks solid, and keeping the IA VR voltage limit at 1.4V is a good safety margin. Your AC/DC loadlines and Vcore settings seem well-optimized for both performance and thermals. If everything is stable and temps stay under control, you’re in a sweet spot. Let me know if you’re considering any further tweaks.
Привет у меня z690 13600k нет таких настроек в биосе помоги пожалуйста
Привет! Если в BIOS твоей Z690 материнской платы с 13600K нет нужных настроек, возможно, они скрыты или зависят от версии BIOS. Попробуй перейти в режим 'Advanced Mode' или включить 'Expert Mode' (если доступно). Иногда для открытия таких настроек нужно включить 'CPU Overclocking' или 'Voltage Control'. Напиши точную модель материнской платы, и я постараюсь помочь более детально.
Hey there! I am trying to perform the steps to change the IA AC load line to .5 or even 1400 but it wont let me, its just stuck on auto. Is there an option in bios that will enable me to make these changes? Please let me know thank you
Hi! If the IA AC Loadline option is stuck on auto, it's likely due to your motherboard's BIOS settings or restrictions. Check if there’s an advanced mode or ‘Expert Mode’ in your BIOS-this often unlocks more settings. On some motherboards, you may need to enable specific options like 'Voltage Optimization' or 'Overclocking Mode' to make changes. Let me know your motherboard model, and I’ll try to guide you further!
@saveroomorg thank you! Its z790 ASUS ROG E-gaming wifi 2 board. I read reviews and nearly all the forums in the q and a and support threads. Result: this is quite possibly the worst board ive ever had to deal with. Im gonna just move on to a MSI z790 board instead. What resolved my issues was performing a wipe of my computer and reseting everything. It runs like brand new again. Thank you so much though
these settings reduced my processor frequencies from 5300 to 4700 on performance cores on my 13700k
These settings aim to balance performance and thermals. If you're noticing a drop in frequencies, it could be due to power or thermal limits being hit. You might want to double-check your power limits (PL1/PL2) and ensure adequate cooling. Try 253W power limits. Let me know if you'd like further guidance!
from 100 c to 80 -84 ty
You're welcome! That's a fantastic improvement-glad the guide helped bring those temps down. If you have any other questions or want to fine-tune further, feel free to ask. Great work!
@@saveroomorg you are good man , i want to know about undervolting is bad for the cpu or not
I'm having some really weird stability problems and could use some advice. I was using an i5-13400F without any issues, but I recently upgraded to an i5-14600KF, which I installed brand new. My motherboard (H610M S2H REV 1.2) was already updated to the latest BIOS version before I installed the 14600KF. This BIOS version includes Intel's new microcode, which should address compatibility issues. Despite this, just three days after switching to the 14600KF, I started experiencing instability: the screen suddenly goes black, audio and Caps Lock remain responsive for about 5 seconds, and then the system completely freezes. It won’t reboot unless I hold the power button for several seconds. I’ve been searching everywhere for answers and came across your videos (great content, by the way!). I followed your recommended BIOS settings, but the issues persist. How is it possible that a brand-new CPU, installed on a motherboard with the correct, updated BIOS, still has these problems? Any advice on what might be going on or how to fix it would be greatly appreciated.
Hi, Thanks for reaching out! Your setup should work fine, but a few things might be causing the instability: - Check Cooling & Pressure - Ensure your cooler is mounted correctly and pressure isn’t too tight on the CPU. Also, verify the thermal paste application. - Power Supply - Confirm your PSU can handle the 14600KF, which draws more power than the 13400F. - RAM Stability - Run a test (e.g., MemTest86) to ensure your RAM is stable with the new CPU. Lastly, the H610 board might be pushing its limits with the 14600KF. If issues persist, try testing the CPU on a Z690/Z790 motherboard. I’m also finalizing an updated undervolting guide to help address these cases-stay tuned!
Did u find any solution, I have same stability problem with i13600kf pc freez while gamine and in occt sse test
Hi, dear friend, Thank you for your work! I would like to share my experience in CPU undervolt tuning. I use a 360-size water cooling system; otherwise, our PCs are the same and I was glad to find your videos. The first time I did everything as you showed in the first video ruclips.net/video/LZA-h9yUV50/видео.htmland got a 24050 score in Cinebench. The max temperature was 73-75°C, and the VCore was -0.060. After watching your new video, I decided to try to do everything as you did, but this time I only got 23000 points in Cinebench. I'm not sure why it came in lower than that. The temperature remained the same, around 73-75°C. Honestly, I don't know whether to keep the first option or the second one. Both methods are good and show great results. Is it critical that I lost more than 1000 points in Cinebench? Also, I disabled the C-States Control feature because my motherboard makes a slight beeping noise when it is enabled. Thanks
Hi, Aleksandr, Thank you for sharing your experience! Both methods show great results, and the Cinebench score drop isn’t critical if your system remains stable and meets your needs. If the higher score matters for your workload, the first method might be preferable. Otherwise, the second approach provides safety and efficiency. Disabling C-States Control is fine if it prevents unwanted noise, especially with no impact on performance or stability. I’m also running final tests on my ultimate undervolting guide and plan to share it soon once it proves stable across multiple systems. Stay tuned, and thanks again for your support!
@@saveroomorg "I lowered the VCore voltage to -0.075. Previously, I couldn't do this and would get a blue screen at -0.055. Maybe the new BIOS version influenced this. My power limits are set to Intel POR, which is 181W for both PL1 and PL2. With the VCore reduced to -0.075, I achieved stable and smooth operation. The unnecessary aggression of the processor disappeared. It didn't affect the processor's performance negatively; on the contrary, it improved. I work with very large databases. The maximum temperature in tests is 67 degrees. Cinebench consistently shows 24100 points. No temperature spikes as before, when it would jump from 44 to 62 degrees in seconds upon opening a video or Slack/Discord. When running a game on max graphics and watching a stream on Twitch on a second 2K monitor, the temperature is 38-43 degrees. It's just magical. You're doing great, and thank you again. These processors are not so bad if you find the right approach. I want to lower the VCore voltage further to -0.100, but I'm not sure if this is feasible for my processor."
I can't thank you enough bro. From 1450V down to 1350V and the 14900KF doesn't constantly spike anymore from 40-80°C while running a game + video at the same time. Great video man, tysm <3
You're very welcome! I'm really glad the settings worked out for you and helped stabilize your 14900KF while keeping the temps in check. Those constant spikes can be super frustrating, so it's great to hear they're no longer an issue. Thanks for the feedback, and enjoy the smoother performance!
I may get a Gigabyte mb to replace my Acer Pred Orion po5-650 mb. I got the I7 13700f, that i "believe "runs too Hot. I did get a new air cooler and took off the side panel or it would be 100c. I also updated the bios and it helped a bit.now when stress testing it might be around 87c now. Is there any more help for the 13700f?
Hi! Unfortunately, the i7-13700F can indeed run quite hot, and in some cases, water cooling becomes necessary for optimal thermal performance. Before investing in a new cooler, I recommend trying the undervolting method in the video. This method can significantly reduce temperatures without a major loss in performance. If undervolting doesn’t resolve the issue, then I’d suggest considering a high-quality water cooling solution, as it’s better suited for handling the heat output of this CPU. At any case 87C under stress testing quite decent temps BTW. Let me know how it goes or if you have further questions!
@@saveroomorg ok, thanks. I guess the reason I asked was because the CPUs you were talking about in your vid were Ks, and I didn't know if it still applied to my 13700f. I only barely understand this stuff but ik I'm fairly good at copying what someone else does(lol), so I guess I was worried about how much to change the numbers on this CPU. I got a Gigabyte mb coming later this week, so I should be able to actually change some settings in the bios, unlike with my current mb that came with this Acer( P05-650).
Hello mate, it this option also avalaible if i have i7 13700k, and motherboard B760M GAMING X DDR4 (rev. 1.0), or i need to buy a Z motherboard? Thank you for answer.
You are using i7 and using b motherboard lol 😂 who scammed you ? Prefer z motherboards for i7 and i9
@anubhavsyal4909 what about..ASROCK Z790M PG Lightning / D4???
@@radkavojtelova9308 dont go for as rock and all go for the things which are common in your region like mine gigabyte asus in india
Hi! Yes, most of the options should be available on your B760M GAMING X DDR4 motherboard with the i7-13700K. However, B-series motherboards typically have fewer tuning options compared to Z-series boards. If you're aiming for advanced overclocking features or more control over power limits, a Z-series motherboard would be a better choice. That said, you can still apply many of the settings from the video. Let me know if you have specific questions!
Hello, when will your in detail undervolting video be uploaded?
Thanks for your interest! I'm currently finishing up the final tests to ensure stability across different setups. The detailed undervolting guide should be uploaded very soon-stay tuned! 😊
hi so my pc keeps crashing all the time i got a 14700kf and will try this will inform you later
had to change offset mode to -0.05 but i went from 17k cb rating to 13,5k not to good but it is what it is do you think i should get a new cpu from intel and set up it like that aswell or do you think im good to go now ? and ty for the rest helped cuz i only tried the offset thing but i did it now with the ac voltage and it should be fine
Hey, glad the rest of the settings helped! However, I’m not recommending touching offsets in the video. Instead, the focus is on limiting voltages and power limits to achieve a balance between performance and thermals. Using offset mode can lead to performance drops, as you've noticed. If your CPU doesn’t handle even Intel Default settings properly, it might be a bad sign. I’d recommend checking if an RMA is an option, just to rule out any potential hardware issues. Otherwise, if your system is stable, try reverting the offset changes and carefully follow the steps in the video to set power and voltage limits instead. Let me know how it works out!
@@saveroomorg ik but this is the only way it wokrs rn for me
Why are you setting AC/DC Load line to Power Saving when you already set the AI AC Load Line to 55 on Vr config? as far i understand selecting a profile for the AC/DC Load Line changes the value for the AI AC LL( the one you already set to 55), at that point isnt better to set an offset for undervolting? Or setting the AI AC LL to 55 is just to stop CEP from triggering and lowering your performance.
Setting the AC/DC Loadline to 'Power Saving' is intended to complement the IA AC Loadline set to 55 in the VR configuration. The AC/DC Loadline profile primarily affects how the CPU handles voltage requests under different loads. While IA AC Loadline limits dynamic spikes and ensures stability, the 'Power Saving' AC/DC Loadline profile helps reduce power consumption in steady-state scenarios, especially under lighter loads. Offset tuning is definitely an option, and I plan to cover it in more detail in my next video. However, the goal of this video is to make CPU usage safe and prevent possible degradation while using Intel Defaults and CEP enabled. Undervolting options are somewhat limited in this specific case, but the settings shown should strike a balance between performance and safety. Feel free to experiment carefully, and stay tuned for the next video where I’ll dive deeper into undervolting and offsets
My cpu stays at 54 max temp and no performance impact. Thanks happy new year
You're welcome, and happy New Year to you too!
Hello, i have i9 14900kf and my mobo is a prime z790-p wifi. Im not getting the turbo power options. I was wondering if theres was another way to limit the power output.
Hi! For MSI motherboards, I don’t suggest any Turbo Power options in the video. It might require enabling 'Expert Mode' or looking for settings named differently.
Why 55 value on AC loadline? Why not 45? or 65? I mean is there a s pecific reason for that value?
The value of 55 for the AC Loadline is chosen because it tends to be suitable for most CPU units, considering the variability introduced by the silicon lottery. This setting strikes a good balance between performance and safety, ensuring stable operation while minimizing potential voltage spikes or overvolting risks. Lowering it to 45 might result in lower performance, while increasing it to 65 could lead to unnecessary heat and potential degradation. That said, you can fine-tune this value if you're comfortable experimenting, but always monitor temps and stability closely when making changes.
@@saveroomorg thanks for the clarification... I have it on 55 and max voltage locked to 1.360 on i5-14600K with adaptive offset to -0.162mv and it hits barely 80 degrees under heavy load, and its good enough for me considering all Intel Defaults and protections are in place
The settings work, stable system, Temp max 67 celsius, loss 800 points in cineb 23. System i7 14700k, gigabyte Z790 Gaming x AX, 64gb ddr5, frozn a720. Currently on igpu. It is for audio/video editing.
Great to hear that the settings are working for you with such stable temperatures! A loss of 800 points in Cinebench R23 is a reasonable trade-off for better thermals and system stability, especially given your focus on audio and video editing, where sustained performance is more critical than peak scores.
I followed your undervolt tutorial you released 4 months ago, should i change all those settings and do this instead?
If you're happy with your system's current performance and stability, there's no need to switch. This guide is specifically designed for those using Intel Defaults with CEP enabled, as it addresses scenarios where those settings might be preferred. If that's not your case, you can stick with the settings from my previous tutorial. 😊 Small reminder: the Ultimate Guide, which will refine and improve on all previous versions, is in the works-stay tuned! 🙌
I have i9 14k with msi pro z790 a max wifi. Should i do ?
For MSI motherboards, there's a detailed guide with instructions on the right side of the screen in the video-be sure to follow those settings first. If you have any questions or run into issues after applying them, feel free to ask. Happy tweaking! 😊
Just wondering, is this going to be necessary for an i5 13500? It's just a regular 13500 (No Letters), 65W TDP. Checked the wattage while rendering a 4K video, and it maxed out at 115W for a few seconds and went back down.
For an i5-13500, these settings might not be strictly necessary since it’s a 65W TDP chip, and your usage seems within normal limits. If you’re not facing thermal or stability issues, you can stick with your current setup. However, undervolting can still help optimize temps and power consumption for long-term use, especially during sustained workloads. You can try following my video step by step if you'd like to experiment, but only change the settings I show. Let me know how it goes! 😊
Fantastic guide! I was wondering if it would work for my setup: i9-14900KF, Gigabyte Z790 UD AX, RTX 4080S, AIO 280 mm. In general, would it be safe to use the same values you recommend in the video? Specifically: 1) Is ‘IA AC Loadline’ also 55 in my case? 2) Shouldn’t the ‘IA DC Loadline’ be the same as ‘IA AC Loadline’ (Intel set them both to 90)? 3) PL1, PL2 and ICCMax (in accordance to Intel specification) in my case are 253W for PLs and 307A for ICCMax - Is it necessary to set those values when we are using the ‘Intel Default Settings: Performance’, which sets the mentioned values automatically? (This can be verified e.g. with HWinfo64). 4) If the need arises, can I lower the PLs (e.g. to 180W) to decrease the CPU temp? Will it be safe/recommended to do? 5) Is 'CPU Internal AC/DC Loadline' also ‘power saving’ in my case? I will wait for your response before making any changes in the BIOS.
Thanks for your detailed questions and glad you liked the guide! Here's how I would address your setup: 1. IA AC Loadline (55): Yes, you can start with 55 for your setup as it works well across most Gigabyte motherboards. It's a safe value that balances stability and thermals. 2. IA DC Loadline: It’s not really necessary to adjust the DC Loadline as well. I’d recommend keeping it as it is unless you notice instability. 3. PL1, PL2, and ICCMax: If your system is already using Intel Defaults (verified via HWinfo64) and you’re not facing throttling or instability, there’s no need to manually set these values. However, if you want to ensure stability during heavy workloads, matching Intel’s specs (253W for PLs, 307A for ICCMax) is a good approach. 4. Lowering PLs (e.g., to 180W): Yes, lowering PLs can reduce CPU temps during sustained workloads. It’s safe to do and recommended if you prefer cooler operation over peak performance. Just be aware that lower PLs might impact multi-core performance under heavy loads. 5. CPU Internal AC/DC Loadline ('Power Saving'): You can start with ‘Power Saving,’ but for the i9-14900KF, ‘Performance’ or even ‘Turbo’ might be more suitable, especially if you prioritize maximizing performance over minimal power consumption. Make changes gradually and test stability after each adjustment. If you encounter any issues or have more questions, feel free to ask! 😊
Finally a video that I can refer back to thanks
You're welcome! I'm glad you found the video helpful. Feel free to refer back anytime, and don't hesitate to ask if you have more questions. Happy tweaking! 😊
Thank you so much 🙏, now running much cooler; i913900k here. Amazing video!
You're very welcome! 😊 I'm glad to hear your 13900K is running cooler now-great job! Let me know if you have any other questions or tweaks you'd like to explore. Happy gaming and productivity! 🙌
Hey man wanted to say thanks for the video, followed all settings other than putting it into power saving mode and using High llc. Was hitting 95’c on simple games like overwatch but now only seeing 75’C. And no longer do I hear my cpu throttling and ramping the fans up. Thank you! Edit: Nvm still hitting 97’c just when simply loading games. Wanted to see how hot fortnite would run even tho I dont play it and just in the loading screen it hit 97’c…
I also set DC to 55 as well as AC loadline for stability
You don't have to set DC to 55. It works very different from people are thinking. Keep it around 90.
Thanks for sharing your experience, and I’m glad the initial changes helped reduce the temperatures to some extent! However, hitting 97°C while loading games indicates there’s still room for improvement. What cooling system are you using? If it's an AIO, make sure the pump and fans are operating at optimal settings. Also, check for proper thermal paste application and overall airflow in your case-ambient temperature can also play a role.
@@saveroomorgIm pretty sure it is an AIO issue as I dont believe the TDP of my current one is high enough for my cpu. Going to need a new case to put a 360aio in there which I am going to do soon.
Your setting helped me lower the temp on 13700k, in Cine multicore i got 66-85°. I change CPU/VRM to Turbo, because Cine scores were too low. Just after 0x12b i got 85°-100°c, even though i mounted Thermalright LGA frame + AIO Lianli 24, only on P-core 5-7 the others are 10° below, so maybe is a problem of thermal paste. Now i have 2 problems, hope you want help me: *1* - After 0x12b, when in indle my PC auto restart at random between 1-30 minutes. Only on Win10, Linux is ok. Enabling every cstate, reboots occur after 3-4h. Disabling the C-state, prevent any random reboots. Do you have an idea on how to configure the C-states, to avoid reboots, without crippling the c-state? Event viewer give me this error "dam.sys not loaded", I know that dam is the major cause of restarts, freezes etc *2* - I should reach 5.40Ghz, but it remains 5.30Ghz During maximum effort tests, it never reaches 5.40Ghz From the bios screen the frequency indicates 5300Mhz
Thanks for sharing your experience, and I’m glad the settings helped with temps in Cinebench! Your setup with the Thermalright LGA frame and LianLi AIO looks solid, but let’s address the issues step by step: 1. Random Restarts on Idle (C-States and Event Viewer Error) First, I recommend checking stability by reverting to Intel defaults in the BIOS. Don’t worry about temps during this phase-focus on stability testing first. If the system is stable with defaults, carefully revisit my video and apply only the specific settings I demonstrate, nothing extra. For the C-states, random reboots often indicate instability. Disabling C-states entirely might work temporarily, but it’s better to fine-tune them. In the BIOS, try enabling only C1E and disabling deeper C-states (C3/C6/C7) to see if that resolves the issue. Also, ensure "Package C-state Limit" is set to "Auto." Regarding the "dam.sys not loaded" error, it could relate to a driver issue in Windows. Make sure your chipset and power management drivers are up to date and run a system file check (sfc /scannow) to verify the integrity of your system files. 2. Frequency Cap at 5.30GHz Instead of 5.40GHz The frequency cap might be due to thermal throttling or power limits. While 5.40GHz is the advertised max, it’s only achievable under specific conditions (like light single-core loads). In multicore scenarios or heavy stress tests, it’s normal for the CPU to remain slightly below the peak clock. Double-check your power limits (PL1/PL2) and ensure they match the values shown in my video. Also, verify that Enhanced Turbo or similar options in your BIOS are enabled. If power and thermal settings are fine, and you’re still seeing this issue, it might simply be silicon behavior on your specific chip. Let me know how it goes after testing these steps! 😊
@@saveroomorg I really appreciate your help. Until bios 0x129 i never had any reboots, they start with 0x12b update, so It's not your settings fault. I've been doing some testing, in the last days Mobo = Gigabyte z790 gaming x (no options for C3 from bios) CPU = 13700K XMP = Disabled Package C-state Limit = Auto Bios settings = Default *Test results:* Enabling *every* C-State = Reboots - Vcore 0.036v (minimum) Enabling *every* C-state but C6/7 in auto = Reboots in few minutes Vore 0.036v (minimum) Enabling *only* C1E = NO Reboots - Vcore 0.780v (minimum) Enabling *only* C6/7 = NO Reboots - Vcore 0.788v (minimum) Enabling *only* C8 = NO Reboots - Vcore 0.036v (minimum) Enabling *only* C10 = NO Reboots - Vcore 0.780v (minimum) Disabling *only* C6/7 = NO Reboots - Vcore 0.780v (minimum) Disabling *only* C8 = NO Reboots - Vcore 0.780v (minimum) Disabling *only* C10 = NO Reboots - Vcore 0.36v (minimum) IMHO it has to do with some error in how Win10 handles the combination of multiple c-states, and the minimum voltage, because Linux is stable. For now from bios (not from Win10) i disabled C6/7 (if I'm not mistaken shouldn't be critical on desktop).
@@jackburton5085 Thanks for sharing such detailed test results! It’s really helpful for pinpointing the issue. Based on your findings, it does seem like a Windows 10-specific issue with how it handles the interaction of multiple C-states, particularly when combined with low Vcore values. Disabling C6/C7 in the BIOS as you've done is a reasonable workaround, especially since these states aren't as critical for desktop systems. It also aligns with the fact that Linux remains stable, which rules out hardware faults. If you want to further optimize, you could: - Try testing the latest Windows 10 updates or even consider Windows 11, as it handles power states differently and might resolve these issues. - Check if there's a newer BIOS version addressing these microcode issues, as manufacturers sometimes patch power state-related instabilities in updates. Your current workaround (disabling C6/C7) is safe and won't impact performance significantly, especially since desktop workloads rarely rely heavily on deep C-states. Let me know if any other issues pop up! 😊
@@saveroomorg After another reboot, with c6 disabled. So i tried to enable all c-states, but disabling "Race to halt (RTH)". For no no reboots. I'll try the new win updates, hopefully, also in a new bios but Gigabyte is slow in releasing them. edit Question: I was wondering if it would be wise to undervolt like this after your settings: -"Vcore Voltage Mode" = Adaptive -"Internal CPU Vcore Offset" = -0.075V to begin with. Edit: *Reboots defeated* As I wrote in the other message, disabling some c-states like C8-10, makes things better, i read that many ppl with my same mobo *Gigabyte z790 Gaming x* recommending this: C-state = Enabled CPU Enhanced Halt(C1E) = Enabled C6/C7 State Support = Enabled C8 State Support = Disable C10 State Support = Disable Package C State limit = Auto C7s *I left the PC on idle, al,la day and night, it works perfectly, I have not had any more reboots.* I just hope that removing the C8-10s doesn't cause any problems with the CPU.
Hello , After microcode 12B update , my i5 13600k pcore never boosts to 5.1 GHZ ..it gets locked at 4.8ghz when cinebench r23 is running . Any idea what could be the issue here ? My mobo is asus rog strix b 760i gaming ...also seting ac line load to 0.5 reduces the perfomance tpo much on my motherboard ..r23 result goes to 13k ..on stock 12b microcode it is 19.3k and on older microcode ..i can get upto 22k
I would just use the old bios and lock the voltage limit to 1.4V. Or you could try to disable C1E.
Hi there! The behavior you're describing is likely due to the new microcode update. The 0x12B microcode changes how power delivery and boosting work, leading to stricter limits and potentially lower performance in some scenarios. For your case, I suggest carefully revisiting my video and following the steps exactly as shown - only apply the settings demonstrated. Avoid additional tweaks like drastically changing AC Loadline values unless necessary, as they can heavily impact performance, as you’ve noticed. Feel free to share your updated results after applying the video settings! 😊
And another funny thing I wanted to highlight from your video is the ac line value set to 0.9 to 1.1 ohm being high . Asus defaults this value to 1.7 ohm and this was always the case even with older microcodes 😬if not for this degradation issue , I would have never noticed this ..
@@Nerdram It's interesting how ASUS has defaulted the AC line value to 1.7 ohm for so long. It definitely explains why some setups were running hotter than expected even before the newer microcode updates. This value being higher can increase voltage requests and, over time, might contribute to the degradation issues we've been seeing. Lowering it to 0.55 ohm, as suggested in the video, helps balance performance and longevity better. It’s good that you caught it now - it’s definitely one of those settings that often gets overlooked unless you're digging into the details.
gigabyte b660m gaming x i7 12700k does poor with 7:22 power saving enabled. Cinebench score drops to 14500 from about 21500 but same temp.
Thanks for sharing your results! The drop in Cinebench score when using power-saving mode is expected, as this setting prioritizes lower power consumption over performance. If you're seeing the same temps but a significant performance loss, it may be worth revisiting other settings like Loadline Calibration or PL1/PL2 limits to fine-tune the balance. If you’re looking for a better balance of performance and efficiency, I’d recommend trying "Performance" or higher mode instead of "Power Saving" and ensuring you’ve followed the undervolting steps exactly as shown in my video. Let me know how it works out! 😊
This is the only underclock configuration that works with my motherboard. I watched many from youtube… this config is now operational; thanks for the video, mate.
You're very welcome! 😊 I'm glad to hear it worked for your setup. Sometimes finding the right config can be tricky, but it’s awesome that you’ve got it up and running. If you have any more questions or need further tweaks, feel free to ask!