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Thank you!

Always nice to have reliable equipment!

It's a great product, and fills a niche.

The 500i is computer controlled fuel injection. The only M-tronic saws in the test were the 362C and 400C. Interestingly the most fuel efficient saw in this test was carbureted.

They're all carbureted execept for the 500i,,, emphasis on the (i); the M-tronic saws (or Auto-tune from Husky) have a microprocessor that adjust the carburetor without human intervention.

@@zacharybennett3249 obviously I meant mtronic or non-mtronic I just couldn’t think of how to properly say that at the time haha

Sounds like you have a good system. I ran a 32" bar on the 500i and I was very happy with how it cut. The 661 I use as a dedicated milling saw. I may put the 32" on the 462.

Glad you're happy with Husky, I'm not trying to convert anyone on saws, just oils. Just curious, what do you hate about the 500i?

@TheIndependentTinker Hard starts, no more power than 462c or 572xp but much more weight, lazy and 4-strokish. This one is my second, and they both were the same. My 592xp is way stronger but weighs a tad more. I have 044 mags and 372s that are much stronger, but they are ported, of course. But I have video on here of a couple hundred dollars stock 395 Holzforma whipping up on my first fifteen hundred dollar 500i. I am a little bitter at Stihl, I must say over the path they took when they went to the saws ending in 1, and their ridiculous prices too. I once was a firm Stihl guy. Also, I think all their pro saws are made in South America now, but not 100% sure of that.

I'm glad that there is competition in the chainsaw market. That should cause the manufacturers to make a better product. In my opinion Stihl may be setting themselves up for some great saws in the future, but we will have to wait and see. All my Stihl Pro saws have "Made in Germany" on them, except the 261 which is made in Virginia Beach. Thanks for sharing!

@TheIndependentTinker im not sure what the deal on them being made in Brazil is, but when there was such a shortage of saws during the flu season of 2020, 21 and a good while after, the Stihl dealer I have used for years told me that they were making them in Brazil now, and thats why they couldn't hardly get them, because South America was almost shut completely down. Maybe it was just parts being made there, Idk. There is an abundance of the minerals used to make the crankcase alloy down there. I know that 395 Huskies say made in Brazil now. Another thing that irritated me about Stihl is when they went away from 440, 460, 660, etc. it was because new epa regulations required chainsaw manufacturers to make either their commercial line, or their homeowners line meet all 100% of small engine emissions standards. Husqvarna chose to trash their homeowners line while Stihl trashed the commercial line. I guess to the average joe that matters not, but as a years long daily user of Stihl saws I didn't like that at all. And I know that for a fact, because the Mid Atlantic Stihl safety rep was at the dealer one day when I was there, and he stated that. He didn't like it much either. Bottom line is they are both mega corporations, and we are just a number to them. So we just pick whichever evil we prefer I guess.

Thanks for the info, that is quite a lot you shared with us! I would guess it is the parts being made in Brazil. I've heard that the Husky 395 production has ended, I don't know if that's true. I did wonder if it was EPA and Euro regulations that has made long term users upset. Like most government emissions regulations, the manufacturers have a difficult time meeting them. Eventually they figure out how to meet them and bring back the power and reliability. I'm not condoning government emissions regs, just making a comment on them. With the 500i, I've heard hard starts usually come from not letting the saw idle before shutting it down. I've always let it idle a few seconds before shutting it off, and I've never experienced a hard start with the 500i.

I'm sorry, I don't think that sentence conveys your original intent.

I have really enjoyed Johns videos, unfortunately he has not posted in a year. He said he was sick, and I hope he is recovering and will be able to post again. If not, he is greatly missed!

Thanks for the knowledge, that may become another test. With the 28" bar on the poplar log the 661 was just behind the 462, if the trend continues the 661 would be faster than the small saws with a longer bar cutting near full bar length. If I notice the 661 power is falling off I will definitely check into that. This comparison test is teaching me quite a bit. Thanks again!

No worries IVe set them by ear on the job to get finished then had them set by Stihl and I'm usually about 50/100 rpm out .

E10 (10% ethanol) gas from the pump, has not yet killed my equipment. This is only anecdotal, so I referenced my Stihl MS 400 C-M Instruction Manual. Stihl does not call it an owners manual. "This engine is certified to operate on mid-grade unleaded gasoline with a minimum octane rating of 89 and no more than 10 % ethanol and 2-cycle oil for air cooled engines at a mix ratio of 50:1." I have not worked on the engines you have worked on so I can only make a general suggestion. 1) Is the ethanol content greater than 10 %? 2) Is the minimum octane rating 89? 3) Is the 2-stroke oil for air cooled engines? 4) Is the mix ratio 50:1? I do run mine at 100:1 so Stihl would deny a warranty claim, though I am past the warranty period. Perhaps it is the ethanol that is killing 2-stroke engines, but we need to make sure we meet all the requirements of the manufacturer before we single out one factor.

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I'm always learning, thanks for making us aware of ethanol hurting saw engines. In my studies with Amsoil I am made aware that if ethanol is in the fuel, there must be a richer air fuel mixture. If not, the engine can run too hot and be damaged. In the U.S. ethanol was mandated in 2007. A factory saw made after that should be rich enough for 10 % ethanol. If it's an older saw the mixture may need to be made richer for E10.

I just bought that amsoil Myself and now we have ethanol free pump fuel and I love it

The only mixture to gas I’ll allow in my shop thank u for this brother and godbless u 👍

That's a very unique group of saws.

Thanks for demonstrating it for us, we hope LogOX has much success with it!

How much is it

You are the embodiment of American innovation. Best of luck and keep up the good work!

Per Stihl website the 400 is the first chainsaw to have a magnesium piston installed as standard from the factory. I don’t think Stihl is going away from it, I think they are being smart and only putting it in one saw. Depending on how it does, I expect more models to get a magnesium piston. My brother and I each have a 400 and have experienced zero issues. I run my equipment at 100:1 with Amsoil Saber Professional and the magnesium piston hasn’t given me a problem. A Stihl field rep told me the white coating from the factory will eventually turn dark and even black. This is normal, so don’t be concerned if you hear of a magnesium piston going from white to dark.

Thank you for watching our videos, makes all the hard work worth it! That is one thing this splitter does not have, a log lift. If one felt like building a ramp/steps to roll the bigger pieces up to it, that may work. I would use our mini loader to place the big rounds. We'll have to wait and see what the deck is rated for. I really like that the pusher block is over the cylinder, which shortens the splitters footprint. The easiest way to fill the gas would probably be to use a gas can with a pump, or we will see if LogOX comes out with a filler neck and hose like a car.

I love that you put it in a spreadsheet! Please keep watching this video or skip to the poplar log cut. I put a 28" bar and chain on the 462, 500, and 661. The "sweet" spot changed saws!

Hi@@TheIndependentTinker Yeah, kept watching. The 500i performed better in bigger wood than the 462. Liked your discussion about big saw for bigger diameter wood - suit the tool to the task which we can only do best when we know enough. So thanks again for sharing. Cheers sincerely d

Well put! I enjoyed making the videos. Cheers

I agree, the best option is to buy a bandsaw sawmill. I can't afford one of those at this time, so I use chainsaws. Chainsaw milling does have a place for some people, which is why the Alaskan sawmill was invented. One doesn't need extremely heavy equipment to move a large log to a sawmill, it can be cut in place on the ground. After making these videos and looking at the results, I wonder if the saws behave differently. Perhaps this is for another series of videos: Does it matter if the saw is bucking or milling, as long as it has the correct chain for the job? Is the length of the bar matched to the correct powerhead and chain more important than the type of sawing being done? Information about the chains and sharpening is in the videos. Thanks for the comments, it may lead to new tests.

I am very impressed with the 462. I look forward to using it more.

Thank you for that perspective. Do you mean engine CC = maximum bar length in centimeters? That does seem to be a good approximation. I love using the 881 to flush large diameter stumps at ground level. Anytime the grain pattern is not parallel, it is harder to cut through. Hopefully this video series helps a person pick the right saw for their application.

My pleasure, thank you for watching!

No way, it will not be able to oil a 25’ bar

I have a 400 and run a Cannon 24" bar and my brother has a Stihl 25" bar on his 400. Not sure if it's because we run Amsoil Semi-Synthetic bar and chain oil, but our 400s oil a 25" bar and chain just fine. Make sure you turn up the oil feed amount on the bottom of the saw. FYI the Cannon and Stihl bars use the same number drive links on the chain, so they are the same length.

I run a 25in bar on my 400 and it works fine. I tried a 28in bar and it will not oil it enough. I run a 28in on my 462 and it works great.

Stihl recommends 16-25" bar on the 400. Obviously, turn the oiler all the way up if you wish to run a 25" bar.

Thank you very much!

Most of the pleasant smelling Amsoil products are the spray on types. Such as: Glass Cleaner, Mudslinger, and High-Foam Car Shampoo. As long as it is mixed between 80:1 to 100:1 there is a distinct lack of smell to me. I only notice 2-stroke oil smell if it is cold out and the engine is cold, on startup. At the end of a day of cutting I can smell 2-stroke oil on my clothes, but it is much less intense than other brands.

I run Amsoil Saber 50:1 in my blower, weedeater and my saws. It does have a sweeter smell than other oils that I have run.

Thank you for sharing that!

I always liked the smell of Amsoil Interceptor but Saber smells ok too when I get a wiff once in a while during operation, I mix 44:1 and 40:1 for milling.

I'm glad Amsoil Interceptor is protecting your saws, but it is meant mainly for snowmobiles. Per Stihl manual an oil meant for air cooled engines should be used, which is what Saber Professional is designed for.

Great lineup, my father-in-law has used the 440 for his business for about 15 years. All good saws!

I have the 361 and 461 here in Alaska. I've run my 361 for around 15 years and it's my go-to. 461 is 8 years old and I only use it for big logs.

Good to hear they are serving you well!

Thanks for watching John. The 462 is my newest saw and quickly climbing towards the top of my favorites. Make sure to watch part 2, we will compare fuel efficiency!

I own 261 036 and 064 love the old ones but 261 is very light and comfortable.

That is what I appreciate most in the 261, how light it is. Makes a downed tree easy to limb.

The pleasure was ours, Eastonmade is a great host.

It was great meeting the Eastonmade team today! Thank you for taking the time to share stories and demonstrate some splitters and processors. We hope to post a video of that soon.

I wipe the sawdust out of the lip of the tanks with my finger before putting the cap back in so the O-ring has a clean surface to seal against. My oldest saw started leaking when it was about fifteen years old, granted I didn’t use that saw as much as I use them now. We’ll see when this new saw starts leaking.

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