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2:51 those aren't ebony and ivory, but then in one of the other scenes you showed, Rebellion was awakened, judging by the arms on the guard being opened and the pommel not being split. So I'm confused when this takes place.

This is most likely a prequel.

I remember hunting 3 chatacabras back to back in the same hunt

It just sounds wrong, are they prioritizing new fans over fans of the game ?

this game had one of the worst dialogue / word choices in english I've ever seen come out of a JRPG. The stuff they said most the time was laughably bad and dumb. Gallica was annoying and when she became emotional just dumb or violent. The choice prompts for dialogue never come out how you expect them. You get tired after constantly hearing your companions say some form of "wake up" or "look around you". Felt lazy

Reuben said in most recent interview that constant attacks from woke/cancel people led him decision to retire completely from acting. He did say he’s still be around and focused being more in a producer/management role.

Pretty cool

Having finished the game in jp and now halfway through NG+ in eng, I can say that the eng localization is great. I would even say the delivery of some lines are even more impactful in the eng dub. While it's not perfect by any sense, I absolutely love how they decide to have different tribes to speak with different accents. This is simply not possible in Japanese, at least not to the same extent.

3:22 : ^)

I understand a bit of spoken japanese and it always baffles me how different the personality and demeanor of the characters come off on the localized vs original text. Why do they do that? I know that localization is not supposed to be a direct translation of each word, but why are you rewritting the characters?

no problem with metaphor tho

I mean 20 years later Reuben no longer has a voice that would fit young Dante since he would sound old. And Johnny sounds great as a young character so why not

hey imagine if we get Nero down the line and he's voiced by Reuben

Localizing is fine. Wokefying the script is the problem.

Guys, Dante's original VA just retired from acting, theres no need to forcefully reach for sweaty explanationts lmao 😂

Finished the game. Didn't encounter anything egregious besides some anachronistic/online terms being used like "madlad" by one character. Haven't checked if the JP language version is using something similarly anachronistic/online culture shit or not to determine if it's a script or localization thing.

Then who’s gonna voice act Nero if he comes in the show

Casting johnny as dante is like casting sabat as goku. Its just weird.

My problem with localization is if they treat their work as a creative one not a technical. Like what they did to Valkyria chronicles series. In the scenes show I see no problem with it

I always hated the localisation of atlus games. Hearing "Whatcha doing?" dozens of times in Persona 5, was one reason why I learned Japanese 😁 the same issue I have with the way Gallica talks here.

People that complain about Gallica doesnt even play the game. She is one of the nicest characters in the game.

I'd much rather be able to understand the intent of the characters rather than just interpret it based on a language and culture I dont understand. Thanks to localization I can understand the story similarly to everyone else. One curiosity that I had as I played it was how was the character's accents handled in the Japanese dub? How its handled in the English dub feels so organic. I could probably find a better word for it but thats the best I can think of.

Honestly, localization exists for a reason and it seems that people that complain about it literally do not realize it lol. Like yeah there is a case in a million where its a giant question mark what the hell they were doing (FE fates iirc?), but otherwise, localizations are what's needed to not butcher the original, funnily enough. It's funny because you IMMEDIATELY would understand that as soon as you start to speak fluently two languages lol

What version and difficulty were you playing on? This was literally my childhood! I love this game so much

Because this Dante was a Dead Weight version

I think it's mainly because Reuben's voice now doesn't fit a younger Dante

The reason is the dudes an actor who voiced bleach so he already knows what he's doing and Netflix could afford to pay him.

i hate it when im listening to the original japanese voices but the subtitles follow the localized script. it breaks my immersion. its especially worse in games where we cant just use our own subtitles. nier automata is a great example of this where the localization is great but not as subtitles to the japanese script.

it would be funny if it's actually Nero but they put it over Dante clips just to trick people.

I get that localizing is necessary to an extent since not everything translates over well from Japanese in terms of meaning or sentence structure. But localizers shouldn't treat games like they own them and change words or change characters' personalities too much, not to mention adding in their own politics. I can only imagine how much they changed in a game that actually is about politics and race. They already decided to change race to tribe for no reason.

I wouldn't call translating word-by-word a lack of localization. That's just a plain bad translation. I hate it when localization includes things like changing the character's name.

don't care, the show is gonna be trash like 90 % of netflix. Porbably made the the same tards as the shitty castlevania show and larry croft

A cool reason would be if Nero was posing as Dante not to "fulfill his role," but to trick another dangerous demon or something. Though I doubt that's the case. Adi Shankar did ONE perfect adaptation of a character/series, to my knowledge, and that was The Punisher in "Dirty Laundry."

4:50 Yeah, this is why I'm fine with most gals/gyarus in anime saying things like "oh em gee" or "bee tee dubs", because they're pretty similar to what we would call "valley girls," and saying acronyms out loud like that is fairly normal for characters like that in our own media. Generational slang should definitely be taken into consideration, though. Ranma 1/2 quite emphatically takes place in the 80s, so I can understand 80s slang showing up, but hearing someone say rizz or skibidi would be incredibly stupid. And then there's video games, which take way longer to make and localize in comparison to a single episode of an anime, meaning that slang and meme culture could have easily moved on to entirely new things by the time the game drops.

Fire all translators and just use ai

I think why English sub are considered bad is because they always go to America is hardcore for everything go in America, probably best example of this is comparing America art cover to Japan in games like Kirby and sonic.

1:50 Yeah that's just not how translating works. That's not translating, that's converting words from one language to the other literally. No translator or translation does it. The issue with localizations is that they specifically DON'T translate into the closest equivalent meaning, but something entirely different that is supposed to preserve the general tone, yet sometimes completely rewrites it into something that has nothing to do with the original's tone, character's personality, or even story relevant info. These day localizers will often shoehorn in their own political ideologies and ingroup jargon where it is completely inappropriate and erroneous towards the original meaning. This is what pisses people off. It's often used for censorship aswell (localization isn't just voice/text, but also image, like replacing a cigarette with a lollipop). And of course where there are people who disagree for good reasons, there are people who start disagreeing just for the sake of being antagonistic, acting like all localization is the devil itself. But localization is something else entirely from translation, the point of localization isn't to convey the same meaning, it's to make a scene understandable, acceptable, digestible and familiar for another culture. You sound like you're mixing them up. The whole point is to change the meaning to another meaning, in a way that is supposed to enhance the work for the target audience, which it rarely does. Bad localization will do shit like having a character holding up a riceball saying "mmmm i sure like those jelly filled donuts!" as if westerners could not possibly conceive what a ball made of rice is. It's having a character love one thing in the original, and somehow hate it in the other. Or have a polite character go from "This guy was scary" to "Fam, we need to curbstomp incels frfr". There are obscure things, idioms, concepts, etc... that makes complete sense to localize, but that's not the thing people complain about (save for the contrarians i mentioned above). In fact it's great when localizers take a joke or pun that would make no sense translated, yet manage to turn it into another joke that keeps the same spirit but still is hilarious. But also it's great when translators will just not localize and leave a translator note about the context (something you used to see a lot in old fansubs, and is used a lot for mangas aswell). Localization is pretty important, it's just that modern localizers are terrible 90% of the time, at least in animes. What little i've seen of metaphor seemed alright, though.

nah man

I absolutely hate it when they use wrong translations. I am not regarded, I can clearly hear them say the name but the translation doesn't have it or it's the other way around. Sometimes the characters just talk for a long while but the translation is just "yeah" or the other way around. Who do these translators think are playing their games? Lobotomites? How hard is it to just make it 1 to 1? Even I can do it, the only downside is that sometimes the grammar or vocabulary is strange but anyone with a functioning frontal lobe could infer the meaning.

I've been playing JRPGs for decades cause I'm ancient like that. There has to be some level of localization or the dialogue will suffer. Japanese and English (for example) aren't grammatically 1 to 1, so things can get out of hand very fast if the language isn't managed. There is a forgotten generation of terrible fan translations out there. All of it is a half-step away from Samurai Showdown 1 character banter. Overreaching localizers are always unfortunate. That said, using Metaphor as an example for that is ridiculous. Call me when they go full Lunar (Sega CD) localization and mention current day, active politicians in the game.

There are also some cases when a game is localized in English, but not in other languages. Considering English is a language more approachable in West than Japanese, localization can end up appealing to a subset of players. Sometimes the original translation could even resonate more closely to that audience than the localized one, and I believe this to be the case for South America, since most of Japanese content we consume we do so with subtitles or localized directly from the source into Spanish, thus making the English dub and localization a little cringe-worthy. So, while I do understand why localization exists, I think due to globalization, English should approach it with translation in mind more than localization. English versions of games end up being the "global version", thus defeating the purpose behind localization, since your "local" now includes the literal rest of the world.

I guarantee 95% of the people complaining about the translation couldn’t pass N5 for Japanese language lol

I really want to bite the bullet and buy the game since the demo was honestly amazing and the same could be said of the music. I'm just really wish they didn't bring people in like Katrina Leonoudakis, she's probably one of the biggest example of how not to operate as a localizer. She constantly berates those who criticize her (and other activists) works, spouts how she knows the story better than the original authors of said work, and overall just seems to actively hate anime fans and the Japanese in general unless they agree with her politics.

the naggy fairy is way superior, fits so well

Translate game, read through translation, if parts of the translation do not translate correctly do minimal localisation. Do like for like localisation. Avoid adding descriptive words that are not at all present in the original text. Example, if in japanese they are using a metaphor, however, the metaphor doesnt work when translated then localise the metaphor with another metaphor that captures the intent. In the case of ff7 remake, they decided to put their own spin on the character as they did not know (nor trust) that this "sky" held very serious meaning. They added to descriptions and adjectives. How many other times was this done? Keep modern political terms out of the games (unless the game is about said political issues). The issue with having terms like these in your translation is that you are inviting problems, so dont do it.

Hot take: Good Localization isn't about capturing author's intent or having accurate translations, it's about keeping an audience's reaction to the source material universally consistent across the globe. (ie. jokes that would be funny in one culture would score crickets in another)

At some point, I'd rather have AI translation than current "Western localization". I only need some help with difficult words, 15 years of watching anime and playing games with JP dub can fill in the rest.

As long as they don't change much of the meaning and tones (which includes COMPLETELY deleting dialogues, as they have been known to do) or change things based on their personal beliefs and politics, I'm fairly open minded to changes. Unfortunately, that is not the localization we live with. Localizers do these sht ALL the time, and THIS is what people are upset about. Those trying to frame it as if people are upset cuz they demand a literal 1 to 1 translation, are being disingenuous. I'm sure there are people who do want 1 to 1 translation, but this is NOT the majority of the reasons why people are upset with localizers.