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There is no evidence that ToTK is “hated by millions”. Just evidence that a handful of RUclips creators hate it, who are completely disconnected from the player base.

23:19 He’s not the only ghost who was nice to Luigi in the whole series. Madame Clairvoya wasn’t necessarily a threat. She was helping Luigi find his brother by reading 5 items that Mario lost

I disagree with the story: Its basically summed up to,"Everyone kidnapped, go save them" and this is arguably King Boo's worst appearance as the guy did diddly squat the entire game(especially compare to his appearance in the second game).

Smash will be early switch 2 life because that a game that sell all generation

Mario Movie is already on Netflix

I think it would be cool if this possible Nintendo streaming service could have the Dic Super Mario and Legend of Zelda series.

Dog the depths are meaningless, once you see the depths you've seen all of the depths

For the love of God, get to the point. You say you have this really great idea and then you just continue to say I have this really great idea for a minute without actually saying what the idea is. This video could be like five minutes long, but you dragged it out to 26 minutes because you just constantly talk.

I have to emphatically disagree with you, your crystal ball, and some of your research. Like, you already know the score with Tropical Freeze on Switch’s sales numbers, so I won’t repeat that. But also, if Donkey Kong Country Returns HD sells around the same as Luigi’s Mansion 2 HD, it will probably do well in Nintendo’s eyes. Every big Nintendo channel I watch, when discussing sales figures, has said Nintendo considers 2 million a good benchmark for success. And I would only hope Nintendo are aware enough that an HD remaster released the same year of their next new console, regardless of how it performs, is being released at a major disadvantage and are not going to hold that against the franchise. But also, you don’t have the full picture. Look up Donkey Kong Freedom, it’s a game that has a lot of development history and was, in fact, a game planned for the Switch being helmed by Vicarious Visions. However, they were pulled from the project by Activision. So just like how Nintendo had Prime 4’s development get restarted, if the rumor from Zippo is still accurate, they likely moved DK to an in house studio and we weren’t meant to wait this long for a new game! Also, I just can’t help but look at how much DK is being put in the public eye lately as a positive. Funky, Diddy, and Pauline in Mario Kart, Mario vs Donkey Kong remake, DK had a big role in the movie, even moreso than Luigi, DKC Returns HD, all three Donkey Kong Land games were put on NSO within weeks of each other, and DK is getting the theme park expansion before something like Zelda, arguably their second most respected franchise? Yeah, a fair bit of this is being tied to Mario, but DK is a part of the Mario franchise, you cannot separate the two. All of this has been in the past two years, by the way, when DK had been pretty silent after Tropical Freeze, barring again, Mario game appearances where he’s more or less another face in the crowd. The one area I fully agree on, however, is that a new 3D platformer is a lot more exciting a prospect than a new 2D platformer. Not only is there a mountain of potential they could unearth with a 3D take on Donkey Kong like what Forgotten Land did for Kirby, but I’ve just really been into 3D Platformers during the Switch era after Mario Odyssey. There’s something that’s a lot more fun about having a big sandbox to run around in and just explore and find secrets around every corner. I’d still love a new 2D DK game if it can capture a similar magic to past Donkey Kong Country games, but a 3D game has so much potential that I am all for a new 3D game. Now, I know I’ve been very positive even in disagreeing, but I can’t lie and say it’s not a cautious optimism. They haven’t done a new game in over a decade at this point, so it’s easy to see where you’re coming from worrying about if we’ll get ANYTHING after so long. But one last thing for the optimistic thinking- we’ve been through just as bad a storm before, during the GameCube days. DK64 was a big sales hit, so you’d think we’d have gotten a new game on GameCube, right? But that was also when Nintendo lost RareWare, so they just had DK doing weird spin offs with bongos or climbing or Jetpack barrel racing or just being another Mario character for, would you look at that, near 11 years exactly. DK64 was November 22, 1999 and Returns was November 21, 2010. It’s not the first time DK has skipped a console generation, and I sadly can’t say it couldn’t be the last time because you just can’t predict these kinda things. But if history repeats like it did between the N64 and Wii for the Wii U to Switch 2, if the rumors of a new DK game made by Nintendo EPD are true, if all these efforts to put DK in the public eye are actually meaning something… well, I’m thinking DK’s future is looking pretty bright, brother. Better to live thinking of the possible ifs rather than the if nots, anyways. Least, that’s how I see it.

@29:28 "one big monster" in the depths? Other then frox, king gleeok, a few hinox and the bosses you rematch, what "big monster" would you be referring to?🎉

I own Both games. They're amazing. Replaying botw, I can't quite say its obsolete. Both have strengths and weaknesses amongst each other. Land wise i feel like tears could have done a little more with the sky kingdom. Nothing but a bunch of tiny islands scattered all over the place. They could have put a civilization up there. Some kind of town or something.

People do seem to forget sequels have reused assets and when you are in a sequel, the world doesn’t change that much, and the fact Nintendo was able to change up environments and add so much is very impressive. As for the argument of it being overpriced dlc, yeah, it was meant to be dlc, but expanded, and it’s hardly overpriced when you realise how much is in it. For my 100% Botw file, I got 150 hours out of it, but my 100% TOTK, I got 300 hours, so $70 for 300 hours alone is worth it (a lot more hours than many games nowadays) and I had a blast the entire way through. People need to judge the game for what it is, and less of their expectations

I agree with most of what you said, and that is because MOST people do. Outside of those bandwagon haters, MOST people dont find this game inferior to BOTW functionally. I mean, there are preferences, like for example, I highly prefer BOTW's runes more, but that is a tiny nitpick. Most people would agree that TOTK is a much better game in terms of gameplay functionally and offering... but THAT was never the issue. The MAIN issue have ONLY really been two things. Two parts of the game that we all were unanimously hoping, PRAYING, and anticipating a reworked or downright fix. Those two things were the story and the dungeons. Reworks to weapon degradation as mild third, but no one really truly would mind that part. TEARS, unfortunately, failed to address these issues, HELL, they pretty much doubled down! THAT is what really pissed off the general community. It felt like a slap to the face, like, "Here's more of the same shit pile, but ooooo! It is covered in a shiny new gold paint! Yay! Now give us 70 dollars bitch.." NO ONE liked the structure of the story presented in BOTW and the dungeons even less. The only reason everyone was more silent about the matter is because at the end of the day, this is a HUGE leap in series. A FIRST step. Nintendo stumbled a little, but it was fine. The idea was novel af and hype af but it has been years since then, and the rose tinted glasses were crushed LONG ago.

I love both Breath and Tears, and I hope we get more open world Zelda games as big or bigger in the future. But I hope that's not all we get. Hopefully we'll also get more traditional 3D and 2D games as well. Mario has 3D games, 3D games and RPGs and I love them all, Zelda can give us variety too.

I think botw 4k will be released for the 10th anniversary. nintendo has made 10th anniversary zelda games for skyward sword twilight princess windwaker it makes sense for them to just follow the trend they've set.

We should take both the good and the bad, but I think you're giving the reasons why some of us wouldn't call it close to perfection. To me BOTW was close to perfection in the sense that it achieved its goals very well, whether different people like these goals or not (I happened to love it). Instead of either "fixing" what BOTW didn't do as well, or adding what it "lacked" (in quotes because that's relative to players' expectations), it generally doubled down on the sandbox side of BOTW for better and for worse, while building an odd identity as a sequel but standalone, doing its own lore by raising more questions without answers, using ancient lore even more vaguely than BOTW. 14:25 Agreed but it's experienced the other way around: the first moments are amazing. Then repetition sets in, and it's easy to justify that open worlds call for repetition but the creators aren't forced to bloat the scope. Hindsight is 20/20, but I hope they'll seriously consider that a bigger and bigger scope for the sake of it doesn't serve the overall experience, some players dread open worlds nowadays with content fatigue, and even those with more time and patience would accept fewer points of interest if that allowed more memorable ones. Ironically one of the first things I complained about was the lackluster sky, which should have been a massive explorable world (though I understand their design as platforms, but that doesn't change that they are boring). The Depths could have been split in smaller areas, which the different chasms would give access to with more variety. 19:54 Also agreed and I'm happy a cool mechanic helped the game's popularity. The mechanics are really great. However Ultrahand _does_ illustrate the same issue of balance and priorities. It requires dedication to make a complex temporary construction, and Autobuild only underlines that the process gets tedious, ideally a core mechanic would just be _fun to do_ no matter the outcome. If people are engaged with any other aspect during exploration, they won't stop just to make a crazy aircraft, and even with Autobuild there's functionally no reason to consume more resources if a minimal build allows to fly from point A to point B. I think that further into a playthrough, most players end up sticking to the most efficient constructions, if not just the hoverbike. And I know no one is forced to pick the boring option, but the degree to which all of this is optional makes it harder in practice for a lot of people to impose rules on themselves. I already respected my rules to not heal too much, not hoard strong weapons, not teleport often, not skip memory order... yet I hardly ever got in trouble in combat passed early game, I glided over entire areas that lacked appeal because of repetition or familiarity on the surface, and I got nice massive spoilers by finding Mineru mid-game with memories left to find. The game has so many things and options but doesn't really know how to resolve all of the possibilities it creates, beyond expecting a player to think "I did this". I think there's a better balance to strike for a proper adventure with lore, beyond a mechanically impressive sandbox. That's what EOW partially answers. And I think that while yes it falls into the same modern open-ended category, and while pure traditional fans still weren't satisfied by it, EOW shows that a little bit more structure and control over the delivery go a long way. Exploration and mechanics feel unbounded, while the main quest and story have more defined steps to progress. You can go to regions before their main quest starts and things will be one way, and when things unfold _in the current world_ things go bad and you have to solve the new issue. TOTK also does "intro / 4 dungeons / castle / 5th dungeon / finale" but for countless players it's completely broken. Some liked it, but it should be easier for other players to not mess things up. 21:15 I did a no paraglider run, more streamlined by knowing what I wanted to do, that was fresh and really fun. However it's not entirely true that the devs' mindset was to gift that to us: the 5th temple can't be accessed without the paraglider. It's just hard-coded this way for whatever dumb reason. You can access Mineru's mask, but the game just tells you the moment isn't right. Basically "you made it this far, congratulations but too bad for you". Still fun but that was another sign that they had too much on their plate to fully commit to everything. In fact a couple secondary quests like the Great Fairies have weird conditions despite not being linear in concept, meanwhile the main quest delivery that should clearly have more linearity doesn't have any...

Don't get me wrong, I definitely put a lot of time into TotK. Beat all the shrines, got all the armor, etc. There's some very cool additions to it, and i like to just vibe in it sometimes. But I still much prefer more focused games in the series, with Twilight Princess being my favorite. And even though i haven't spent as much time in it, I thought Echoes of Wisdom was an overall more enjoyable experience that never burned me out.

Why does every reviewer of BOTW and TOTK seem to believe they were the first open world games? Open world existed in the 90s. It is very frustrating to see the self-worship of Zelda/Nintendo fans.

I think echos of wisdom is becoming my favorite one and favorite game overall. Despite the UI challenges and whatnot. For me it’s echos of wisdom, link to the past, and breathe of the wild. I liked TOTK … it just didn’t hit me as hard as the others I listed

I went into Tears expecting to be disappointed. All I hoped for was themed dungeons and real sages called sages. After about 4,000+ play hours I can confidently say Tears of the Kingdom is my all-time #1 favorite game! I was greatly disappointed by Breath of the Wild because I felt it stripped away too much of what had made Zelda feel like Zelda. Tears brought back the core elements that were missing and in a way made me appreciate Breath more. Although I find it so hard to go back to Breath now because it feels so restrictive and bare.😅 I learned the lesson of expectations with Breath of the Wild, and I know eit made my enjoyment of Tears of the Kingdom all the better for it. I for one love the story in Tears of the Kingdom even though the execution is messy because of the geoglyph memories. It feels very Studio Ghibli to me, and I think that was intentional. Tears of the Kingdom is as close to a true masterpiece as any video game can get... but let's all be honest that's the case with 90% of the Zelda series as a whole!

Even tho tears of the kingdom is better in every way than Breath of the wild it really showed that the openworld structure has limitations for story writing, natural progression and dungeon design. I hope they figure it out

my dissapointment with Totk is that its 55% more of the same 5% something fresh and 40% bloat, a game that story wise hated being a sequel and a base overworld not changed enough for a good sequel to focus 70% of its "new" content on, and 2 additional layers to the world depths and sky that add basically nothing to the over all expirence outside some first time "ooohhhh whats this? oh its dissapointment" if Botw was a love letter to the fanchise while doing its own thing then Totk was hate mail pretending none of the franchise matter at all.

Idc what anyone says. TOTk is a fantastic game and the most fun I’ve had with a game in years. If traditional Zelda fans didn’t like this new direction for the series, maybe they shouldn’t have let SS flop on the Wii. Nintendo chose a new set of gamers with these entries, ones that have rewarded them quite well. I hope they listen with their bank account and not the “Tears” of traditional Zelda fans that couldn’t be bothered to even buy the games they claim to love 😊

Nintendo need to stop hd-ing and reselling games its core audience already own. if they try the remake strategy for switch 2 it will be the new wii u.

BOTW is the most overrated game of all time, not even close.

I personally don't like Breath of the Wild or Tears of the Kingdom. Specifically for the very reasons people seem to love it. I think the games grant you far, FAR too much freedom. I think it comes at the expense of everything that makes a Zelda Game. Meanwhile I played Skyward Sword HD and I loved every moment of it. You scoff at a puzzle having only one answer but that's exactly what I want in a puzzle. One singular correct answer. When presented with an obstacle the answer shouldn't be to bypass it entirely.

You say that people were disappointed because TotK was only a sequel but I don't think it even feels like a sequel at all. It doesn't refer to BotW in any meaningful way and the stories are only superficially connected. Is the word "calamity" even used once in TotK? And the removal of things like all the sheikah tech and the shrine of awakening doesn't help with this. To me it feels more like Nintendo wanted to make BotW again and almost have us forget about that first game completely. And in doing so they just made the same exact game and then added a bunch of stuff of varying quality to it. The games feel extremely similar but yet there is no meaningful in-world connection between them. It's basically a palette swap.

I agree with the storm section. Easily my favorite part of the game

TotK made me find a vantage point and look around to find stuff, which no other game managed to make me do since BotW. It's such a weirdly small thing, but it's so important for an open world game to get me away from the map screen and into the actual world. I'm not sute if TotK is better than BotW, but it's up there along with it. BotW does have a peaceful relaxing quality that's somewhat less apparent in TotK, but then by comparison is a bit on the "empty" side. Somewhere in-between would be perfect. I love both games though.

I do not understand the hate towards ToTK. For me it's better than BG3 even. It's the best game of all time and will be my top 1 for a long time.

For me, BOTW was a 7/10 and TOTK was a 7.5. These Zelda’s just don’t do it for me, I have had zero desire to revisit them after completion and I just think that no one would care about them as much if they didn’t have Zelda slapped on the box!

I think people understand that its a sequal but that it absolutely failed past the first impressions to be seen as a better game than botw. the depths and sky islands are really shallow, they do not at come close to variety of biomes and places to explore like first time u went through base game hyrule in the first game, the starting sky island is the biggest and as complex as it gets and after 5 hours in the depths you relise its the size of main map, but zero unique places like overworls hyrule, its all just dark, baren, looks too samey and reused overworld enemies/ bosses. Like imagine if hyrule in the first game was just the a single desert biome, that's what "exploring" it feels like. They even reuse the main dungeon bosses down here, even botw didnt reuse its main bosses. And all the armor rewards in the game are just dlc from the first game which have zero lore explanation. And people waited longer than the botw for this, totk is the kinda sequal we'd get back in pre 8th console generation, where sequals that reuse 60 to 80 % assets took at most a 1 to 3 years to come out. Even majora mask back then took bearly two years to come out. Too much time was spent on ultra hand and it shows when 6 years later we are still fighting bogoblins 90% of the time It doesnt help that non of the issues of the base game were fixed, infact made even worse, the story telling through memory just flat out dont work this time like in botw, which told a more disjointed set of individual memories as opposed to a proper linear story like totk memories, the constant interruption through menus, made worse if u have to fuse arrows, the copy pasted shrine template that you saw for 120 shrines, now you get a green color swap for 150 shrines, not to mention 100+ caves that all look the same, the game is both bloated and lacking in meaningful content, thats why alot of people dont resonate with this game as much as botw. The novelty of this world wore off, 6 years ago with very little new to compensate, that's why it's a disappointing sequal. If it was a fresh new world people would not be this disappointed

The biggest indicator of this weight of expectations to me is the complaint about the game not recapturing BotW's sense of discovery. You can argue about how the Sky and Depths could've delivered on this to some extent, but for a game using the same overworld we've already explored, that was just never gonna happen. They needed to put the focus somewhere else, something I believe they did by giving interesting changes to various notable landmarks and by giving you epic new ways to traverse the world. It certainly wasn't as revolutionary as BotW, but let's not forget about how crazy it is that you can just attach any material you find in the world together to create a useful device, to the point that it had other developers scratching their heads about how this was even remotely possible. You also brought up a really good point at the end about the future of the series. People act like the open world format is getting stale just because of TotK not feeling new enough, but we have to remember that we're still in the first 3D world in this format, and TotK at its core was just an additional chapter to the Era of the Wild. The next game will take place in a different era and world, and they're gonna have much more of an opportunity to build upon the new format as a whole. As for my experience with the game, I was never really disappointed by it, but it didn't exactly turn out how I expected. I was expecting a massive, fully fleshed out sky and underground map and far-reaching lore that would spawn endless discussion and speculation. The game didn't really deliver on those expectations, but it won me over in several other ways. The Sky and Depths, while not fully fleshed out, are really fun to navigate and work really well in unison with each other and the Surface. The story was a nice and simple good vs evil battle with awesome cinematics and great defining twists. The world felt much more alive than in BotW which makes sense given how much progress the kingdom has made since the end of the Calamity, and the NPCs all play important roles in helping with the various conflicts of the kingdoms, to the point that it feels less like you against the world and more like you're just a particularily important member of a massive team fighting the battle alongside you. The game felt much more reminiscent of the classic Zeldas too with the inclusion of things like Temples, classic mechanics like Mirrors and Bomb Flowers, more fleshed out side quests, and BotW's helper characters becoming Sages (absolutely genius move). Although it wasn't what I expected, the game had a clear vision and gave me an experience that like KingK, I didn't know I wanted. I think this is a big reason Zelda games are always held in such high regard; on top of hearing out criticisms and addressing them for the next game, they focus less on pleasing the masses and more on bringing a specific vision to life in order to make something truly special, something not everyone might like, but those that do will absolutely adore.

I just expected like three good temples and a good story. Jus that. It gave us one good temple and the lamest story of every LOZ game, and yes, I'm counting LoZ 1 in those stories.

Ok, you just described the Rito Village climb beautifully 👌🏾

As someone who doesn't pay attention to gaming communities (beside fortnite and multiversus) and had no idea people didn't like this game, I LOVED totk. It felt like botw, but more and just different enough. The story was incredible.

I'm a longtime Zelda fan that prefers the new direction of Zelda and went into Tears of the Kingdom with minimal expectations. I was still disappointed. I agree with you that on nearly every element of the game, point for point, Tears of the Kingdom is a huge improvement over Breath of the Wild, but I don't think it all came together nearly as well. Contrary to your assertion, it felt like Tears of the Kingdom forgot it was a sequel to Breath of the Wild, not Breath of the Wild Master Quest or Breath of the Wild Royal. It's a wonderful expansion of Breath of the Wild's toolkit and content, but it feels like it's catered to a very specific subset of Breath of the Wild's player base. The building mechanic, everything you have to grind to truly unlock its capabilities, the repetitiveness of the Depths and the Sky, this stuff is a deterrent for a lot of players. Breath of the Wild transcended its repetitiveness, it presented a cohesive sense of purpose behind everything you do. Tears of the Kingdom, in my opinion, really failed to do that. You had to provide your own purpose instead, and that's asking a lot given how much is reused from Breath of the Wild and how many players already fulfilled their own purpose in that game. I'm not talking about the reused map, but the way progression is reused. We've all collected Korok seeds to unlock more inventory, we've all completed shrines to get more hearts and stamina, we've all reached towers to obtain the map, we've all dealt with blood moons for regenerating enemies and their materials, and etc. The new mechanics are great but in the end it just gives us a different way of doing the same stuff as in Breath of the Wild, and I personally did not find that compelling enough. I think a lot of people didn't find that compelling enough. For these reasons, I feel that if Tears of the Kingdom released in 2017 sans Breath of the Wild, it wouldn't have sold as well. The game is very overwhelming without familiarity with Breath of the Wild. If you haven't watched somebody play Tears of the Kingdom as their first Zelda game, you should, a lot of people just end up going for towers and flying from shrine to shrine until they reach a temple quest. Tears of the Kingdom does not do a good job of bringing players into all of its systems.

I was disappointed in tears of the Kingdom for a few reasons. First there is no underwater swimming in this 'open-air-world' game second there's no fishing with the fishing rod third korok seeds.

I think it's the best game in history. Nintendo has room for improvement, yes, but I see so many good things that overshadow the bad. People who put the story before the game are the only ones who have complaints, but I'm sure that those who complain haven't even understood the story. Many criticisms are directed at the end when it is explained.

ToTK👑

totk haters are just hipsters

I think what TotK and BotW are going through with the criticism is something that has been going on in the Zelda community for almost 30 years. While A Link to the Past was the game that started what is known as the Zelda formula, it was Ocarina of Time that cemented the idea of what Zelda should be, for better or worse. To make it clear, I am not knocking on Ocarina, as it is a masterpiece of a game and is pivotal to how the industry moved forwards since, but I think ever since its release, it’s shadow has been dominating the Zelda franchise and how the community reacts to the various iterations of the franchise. People want to relive Ocarina because in a lot of people’s memories, it was a game that spoke to them. But unfortunately, that wish has made a lot of people be a bit more harsh than necessary on the various Zelda titles over the years. I’m not saying that there’s nothing to criticize in any Zelda game ever, because that is untrue and perfection is impossible. But I think expectations have been dogging the series ever since Ocarina, and I think it will take time for the more vocal critics of TotK to give it a second chance and appreciate what it does well. Every Zelda game has gone through this at some point, and it has been demonstrated that Aonuma does listen to criticism that makes sense. I remember when Twilight Princess was dogged on for not being what people thought it should be, but now there are plenty of people who look on it fondly. TotK has its own shortcomings, but I think there are things it does better than BotW, and vice versa. Thanks for your thoughts on this Ray.

We totally would have overlooked (and did for BotW) some of the negative aspects being it would've been a first attempt. But on a second attempt, it didn't even remotely aim to tweak some of the aspects that weren't particularly enjoyable. I'm not mad it wasn't novel again, I'm mad that it was a total copy paste of every mechanism and design...

Great vid man and well put 💯👍

Anyone and everyone claiming TotK is somehow a worse game than BotW is objectively wrong. TotK improves on basically everything that matters over BotW. Claiming otherwise is simply subjective nonsense.

Tears of the kingdom feels like a new adventure only about 1/3 of the time. The sky was not very much new content and the depths was boring once you figure out the gimmick. The story is worse than bad. Nintendo deserved the high expectations, because they worked on a game in the same engine for 6 years. We expected new content and the new content we got was lacklustre and generally lacking love. Seems like a weird way to quantify a game, but tears of the kingdom simply has no swag. It's not as affable or interesting. There's beauty in restrictions, and tears of the kingdom went all bets off to its detriment. Nintendo is one of the most profitable video game companies, and sometimes a media company funds art, but most of the time companies make products. Breath of the wild is a game as art, tears of the kingdom is a game as a product. Tears of the kingdom is boring.