Worlds Unreal
Worlds Unreal
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The Problem With Creating Cultures
This is a topic I've wanted to talk about for a long time, but knew that doing so would be rather tricky:
the idea of creating cultures, both human and humanoid in nature, and the issues that arise with this.
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The Absurdity of Worldbuilding
Просмотров 1,6 тыс.5 месяцев назад
Bet you never thought you would see us again! This video essay takes a look at whether or not worldbuilding is a delusional practice. Quotes from scifi author M. John Harrison are discussed throughout. Music By Scott Buckley ruclips.net/video/x43OJXk8idI/видео.html ruclips.net/video/wM_AjpJL5I4/видео.html ruclips.net/video/FSryKsTMp2M/видео.html
The Hidden Fundamentals of Tabletop Role-playing Games
Просмотров 6 тыс.3 года назад
What's the difference between tabletop role-playing games and ARPGs, MMORPGs, or board games? Is role-playing performance art? What is unique and enduring about this form of play? Music / Instrumental by Aries Beats - ruclips.net/video/3lF8Op_3YtU/видео.html
The Politics of Fantasy Maps
Просмотров 372 тыс.3 года назад
What do maps of fictional places reveal about politics and geography? This video essay explores questions about the creation of space, the subjectivity of maps, and the role of maps in modern media and worldbuilding. An update: Wow, when we made this we imagined only about 100 people would ever see it. This was completed years ago as a school project, which had a separate bibliography that has ...

Комментарии

  • @003mohamud
    @003mohamud 18 дней назад

    Where can I find your setting? If it's not online, will you explore your worldbuilding on your channel?

  • @Aesenti
    @Aesenti 20 дней назад

    this is one of my favorite videos of all time on this platform. Incredible.

  • @shzarmai
    @shzarmai 21 день назад

    please talk about Indigenism in Scifi in a future video

  • @connorscanlan2167
    @connorscanlan2167 Месяц назад

    1:20 Way to piss off both Mainlanders and people who live on the island.

  • @lapiswolf2780
    @lapiswolf2780 2 месяца назад

    My world's map has south at the top. I just felt like it. :) 7:52 That's not a dynasty. 🤨 What about Windsorians(House of Windsor).

  • @TerribleResults
    @TerribleResults 2 месяца назад

    3:42 If anyone needs me I'll be rowing around the Lake of Indifference.

  • @chirbychoo
    @chirbychoo 3 месяца назад

    This is such an amazing channel !!

  • @augustcanyon3438
    @augustcanyon3438 3 месяца назад

    Could have done without the communist woke garbage. Stopped listening at that point.

  • @loglorn
    @loglorn 3 месяца назад

    _Of course_ you conlang, obviously.

  • @K_J_Coleman_Composer
    @K_J_Coleman_Composer 3 месяца назад

    I like the idea of a mapmaker slowly discovering the world through his journeys. The first book starting with a blank map and a single city.

  • @KipIngram
    @KipIngram 3 месяца назад

    I think there's more to it than Martin implies. Many of these stories are set in times without the massive mobility that we enjoy in the world today. Mobility leads to cultures that have representation from across the globe. But generally speaking in the past the people who lived in an area were the children of people who had lived there, who were themselves children of people who had lived there, etc. People just didn't mix geographically in the past to the extent that they do today. So if you want to include a diversity of people in your story, you have to either just "toss them in there without explanation," or "come up with some elaborate explanation." Neither of those things necessarily enhances the story.

    • @legitimatemedicine
      @legitimatemedicine 3 месяца назад

      That's a common misconception. Yes, travel took longer and most people lived in the same house as their parents and grandparents, but there have *always* been nomadic people, travelers, refugees, merchants, etc. Especially in any city of regionally large size and its surrounding areas. There were vikings and norse settlers in not just the British Isles, but also in the Al-Andulus controlled Iberian Peninsula, North Africa, Asia Minor, etc. Peoples from the Indian Subcontinent traveled all the way up to Italy and Korea. There were peoples from what is now New England who lived and traveled from there to Oregon and Mexico. Humans have never been completely sedentary, there has always been culture mixing, nomadic populations, and displaced groups.

    • @KipIngram
      @KipIngram 3 месяца назад

      @@legitimatemedicine Ok, I guess I could see having a small number of people from other regions in special situations - but it still wouldn't have been like the much more thorough mix that we have in our culture today. Basically these days you find "people from everywhere in all walks of life." Certainly I think that in olden times people from afar would have seemed much more "novel" than we feel today.

  • @gorillaguerillaDK
    @gorillaguerillaDK 4 месяца назад

    "So, speaking of maps - Is Australia even real? - and what about Finland? - if the world is flat, where does the border start, and what’s underneath it? - and are the Sea Monsters on Old Time maps real?"

    • @order66pizzas
      @order66pizzas 3 месяца назад

      As an Australian i can confirm we are not real

    • @gorillaguerillaDK
      @gorillaguerillaDK 3 месяца назад

      @@order66pizzas I knew it! THANK YOU for confirming it! I keep telling my Australian Sister'in'Law that Australia is a made up place! I haven't had the chance to tell it to our Queen yet - and her case is even worse, as she's from Hobart. It's so obvious that Australia is a crazy hoax, and as it is, we can conclude that Tasmania is just even more so... And don't get me started on Finland!!! Like that was an actual place! No, there's Sweden, New Sweden (which used to be Danish), and Old Sweden, which is what people call Finland and parts of Russia today, (not Russia Today, which is a Kremlin runned propaganda network)...

  • @peacefusion
    @peacefusion 4 месяца назад

    Yes but, those darker themes on Mordor are pretty cool right.

  • @Ethereal311
    @Ethereal311 4 месяца назад

    "Worldbuilding is inherently political" Yeah, how about someone try to make a World where suddenly 30% of the world's calories and a sizeable portion of the world's manastones get cut off? I wonder how a Fantasy world would handle that (because that's what Ukraine is about).

  • @worldsunreal2046
    @worldsunreal2046 4 месяца назад

    A lot of the criticisms of the video's arguments are very similar, mainly coming from the view that symbolism only exists where the author intends it, and any other reading into fantasy/scifi world for representation/coding are "incorrect". I will respond by saying that unintended effects on audiences matter just as much as authorial intent. Is the audience reading into it wrong, or did the author construct their message poorly? As an author, its your job to provide as much clarity as possible, and you cannot simply blame the audience for reading something "incorrectly" whenever it doesn't have the effect you intended. As an example, The film Starship Troopers is a satire of militarism, but was interpreted by many viewers as being a sincere pro-war film. People will see real life problems/conflicts in fantasy stories, whether the author intended it or not, and if it weren't possible to see these kinds of themes within a story/world, then it probably isn't worth consuming.

  • @brandonmoisesblandonflores1483
    @brandonmoisesblandonflores1483 4 месяца назад

    I do not see the issue with the groups painted with wide brushstrokes Say your characters fight an army of a certain race, just as people in reality, from their perspective they are evil, and if you don't want that, simply make a different perspective or leave it at that, your characters wouldn't change their perspective unless shown first hand of something contrasting, but the audience would Both are fine ways to present a conflict

  • @hexcrawler
    @hexcrawler 4 месяца назад

    2 min in and this video is woke cringe

  • @bigdawgceg1879
    @bigdawgceg1879 4 месяца назад

    The whole point of fantasy or science fiction is to not be real life. You, as the reader/viewer, are putting your biases on what you are reading/viewing. You can read a book and completely misinterpret what the author is trying to convey due to your perception. Take an Orc, for example. You hear all the time they are representative of black people and their culture. Which i find strange because to me, they are representative of Neanderthals. As writers, we take inspiration from around us and make it our own. If we are worried about hurting people's feelings or offending someone. We'd never write anything but biographies. Just because you think Tolkiens Haradrim are based on the Indian culture doesn't make it so. Lots of cultures rode elephants. Theres multiple cultures within India itself. Just like not all horse archers are Mongolian. Native Americans were avid horse archers. Stop trying to put real life issues into fantasy or science fiction. They are not reality nor should they be. They are an escape from reality and all the political false victim hood.

  • @michaelbirdwell7985
    @michaelbirdwell7985 4 месяца назад

    This is nonsense. These issues you’re discussing would be problems in historical fiction. Maybe. They’re definitely not relevant to fantasy or sci-fi. If YOU find these things problematic, it’s YOUR mind that’s making the connection between fictional races/cultures and real ones. Orcs, for example, are orcs, which is to say they are not real. It is absurd to connect any creator’s orcs to a real world culture and then be upset at the “representation.” In that case, YOU are the one creating such “representation,” not the creator. Stop it. Problem solved. Also, you should understand that inspiration and representation are not the same thing. Y’all like to conflate different things as if they’re the same and then get upset about them being the same. But they were only ever the same in your own mind. Ridiculous.

    • @worldsunreal2046
      @worldsunreal2046 4 месяца назад

      The ways in which people are inspired by other's cultures IS what is representational about worldbuilding and other artforms. People are often inspired by perceived otherness, and it is this artistic inspiration that leads to misrepresentation. I would take a look at the Orientalist art tradition to get a sense of what I'm talking about. And as for Orcs... Orcs are never JUST orcs :)

    • @michaelbirdwell7985
      @michaelbirdwell7985 4 месяца назад

      @@worldsunreal2046 I know what you’re talking about, and it’s wrongheaded in my view. Inspiration and representation are not the same thing. It’s not useful, in a real sense, to conflate the two. Maybe your orcs are never just orcs, but most people recognize the difference between a fictional culture or species, even one that’s heavily influenced by a real-world culture or species, and an actual representation of that real-world culture or species. If the author/creator hasn’t made that connection explicit, it’s all in your head. It’s your interpretation that’s problematic. If I present my Orcs as bloodthirsty raiders concerned primarily with loot and personal glory, then which is it: they are just Orcs whose culture works this way, or they are a harmful misrepresentation of some real world culture? The answer is, they’re just Orcs. That’s true even if they’re inspired, in my own mind, by the popular stereotype of Vikings/norsemen. They cannot be a misrepresentation because I have not represented the Orcs as anything other than Orcs. And that’s true even for me in this example. I know they’re not supposed to represent norsemen, they just have some stereotyped cultural hooks in common. They’re just Orcs. If a player (or reader or what have you) thinks that my Orcs represent real norsemen, that’s his or her own issue. Because I’m the author, and if I wanted to use Norsemen I could have chosen to do that. But I chose a fictional species. At its core, the problem with your assertion is that I can’t misrepresent something that I haven’t represented in the first place. That would be like misspeaking while remaining silent. It’s nonsense.

  • @anyalazor7978
    @anyalazor7978 4 месяца назад

    Im happy you're back and making videos again! As a disabled person i wanted to say that I'm ok with a fictional world having ableism but if it's clear that the author and the characters think that it's bad.

  • @jackf41
    @jackf41 4 месяца назад

    Woah you’re back. Welcome back! I really liked you fantasy map video, but I thought you quit RUclips for good

  • @Gromace
    @Gromace 4 месяца назад

    Great Video! Definitely gave form to some feelings ive had about popular media. Also what is that footage from 4:00-4:25 from? looks really interesting.

    • @worldsunreal2046
      @worldsunreal2046 4 месяца назад

      Alien Worlds, its a little documentary series www.netflix.com/ca/title/80221410

  • @LoneCloudHopper
    @LoneCloudHopper 4 месяца назад

    Great video. Please make more.

  • @wangyiuwong1958
    @wangyiuwong1958 4 месяца назад

    Amazing. Could you please provide the names of films you've referenced in the video.

  • @katzekaiserin
    @katzekaiserin 4 месяца назад

    I'm struggling with this exact issue in my new setting! Great video

  • @cheesypoohalo
    @cheesypoohalo 4 месяца назад

    This started interesting, but I felt like it didn't really go anywhere. I'd love to see a follow-up video where you discuss how best to introduce fantasy cultures in a story and give examples of when this has been done well. You've established what not to do, but criticism is always easier than creation; some clear-cut examples of how to do it well would be great to see.

    • @worldsunreal2046
      @worldsunreal2046 4 месяца назад

      Totally fair. Unfortunately I'm simply not the best person to provide a "solution" to what I've outlined. What I present are a set of dilemmas more than anything, some of which I've never actually escaped in my own worldbuilding.

    • @cheesypoohalo
      @cheesypoohalo 4 месяца назад

      @@worldsunreal2046 And that's something I really wish you emphasised in the video- if you scrutinise hard enough, everything is a problem, and if you aim to avoid being problematic when writing other cultures... you simply won't get any writing done lol imo I find it best to not overthink it- be respectful in your portrayal, but don't overthink it to the point of writing paralysis. The worst example of this imo is when works of media try to portray a large diverse cast, yet feel forced to portray all the characters as perfect examples of their culture with no negative character traits. This leaves the world having so little conflict to draw on because everyone is so perfect. Even basic negative traits, like having an alcoholic character, are avoided. 'We can't make the only Italian in the cast an alcoholic because people will think we're saying ALL Italian's are alcohlics', and so on applied to everyone until every character is boring, except the white male who becomes the antagonist. Of course, this issue is avoided with the more characters you introduce, so something like Avatar TLAB fairs better when it shows an entire nation and its people, as opposed to stories that take the 'small cast of characters from all over the world working together' idea; which is a shame because it makes it feel like having a diverse cast often leads to bland writing, which I think is only true if you overthink things and worry a lot about how the audience will judge you.

  • @HashFier
    @HashFier 4 месяца назад

    "The delusional M John Harrison " is how I read the description, the video continued on the same vein. I feel no urge to be charitable towards an author's opinion, when the said author got his start copying Moorcock's characters. Worldbuilding is not just a conceit to flesh out a story, a world can be generators of stories on it's own. You give a place a name and a fertile meadow, someone will come to dwell there and they'll have a story. You spring up a lakeside forest beside alpine mountains and that snowy place will have it's own ethereal winter folktale. Worlds can exist without their stories being publicly told and distributed.

  • @nicecockawesomeballs7805
    @nicecockawesomeballs7805 4 месяца назад

    "settings being racist or offensive" >shows warhammer clip XD

  • @concibar4267
    @concibar4267 4 месяца назад

    0:00 - Introduction 1:35 - Coding vs Unrelatability (problem 1) 4:57 - No Represantation vs Misrepresentation (problem 2) 8:22 - Kitchen Sink vs Monoculture (problem 3) 11:02 - Safety vs Allegory (problem 4) 12:59 - Conclusion

  • @ARGhostie
    @ARGhostie 4 месяца назад

    Amazing video! what's the film/etc shown at 8:55?

  • @Sajuuk
    @Sajuuk 4 месяца назад

    Good to see you back again making videos 👍

  • @sleithsaerish7954
    @sleithsaerish7954 4 месяца назад

    Your videos always make me think and redo a lot of my worldbuilding, but in that case, this one helps to identify problems and difficulties in a very much already known obstacle. I try to ask descendants and representative of different cultures when writing, I try to never portray a culture as "alien" if it's formed of human rituals. In tabletop rpg, it's possible to talk about familiarity when witnessing a religious ceremony foreign to all my players, or insist on the weird alien way of this specie to engage with mundane activity; but in writing, it's incredibly difficult. I thank you for the thinking piece and for the four categories of mistake which does a nice check-list to keep in mind while creating. Thank you, the only thing I don't enjoy about your work is the delay between two great videos ^^

  • @ryanratchford2530
    @ryanratchford2530 4 месяца назад

    I’m really interested in world Philosohy and religion and history so I have fairly strong coding because I like to explore different culture’s philosophies and practices. So I think about how to best handle this a lot. I decided to have all Earth coded cultures as humans with the ability for metamorphosis as part of the magic system. So I still have rock people and cat people but they are like the top 1% of most powerful mages. But usually creating a stereotype for their entire culture because they are the most recognisable & influential people in power so come to be symbolic and often seen as lessor gods. Examples I took are like the animal nature of Egyptian gods and the multi-armed and divine skin colour of Hindu gods.

  • @danne8797
    @danne8797 4 месяца назад

    Excellent video on a subject that isn't covered enough! PS. What's the movie this clip 12:00 is from?

    • @worldsunreal2046
      @worldsunreal2046 4 месяца назад

      Rainbow Wars! An expo 86 short film. ruclips.net/video/_z8KwGMncog/видео.html

  • @memyselfishness
    @memyselfishness 4 месяца назад

    I think your background music is tuned a bit too loud and distracting.

  • @mirien7277
    @mirien7277 4 месяца назад

    You're back!

  • @theskeletonposse6432
    @theskeletonposse6432 4 месяца назад

    wake up honey, another banger just dropped

  • @Apollo9898LP
    @Apollo9898LP 4 месяца назад

    Having finished the video, gotta say it's really great stuff. A lot worthwhile to think about when creating cultures. Also your section talking about orcs really connected a lot of thoughts I've been having recently being in the middle of rereading the Inheritance Cycle by Christopher Paolini. His orc replacement, the Urgles, are basically treated as inherently evil monsters during the first book, but then he spends the rest of the books attempting to show more nuance to their culture as the Urgles side with the heroes against the empire that was mind-controlling them during the events of the first book. But even in its attempts to humanize and add nuance to the Urgles, it still falls back on a lot of exoticizing tropes about warrior cultures and indigenous groups. It's a mixed back all around, but I think it's an interesting case study in how even when you try to create nuance if you're not careful you will just reinforce a different set of problematic tropes and cliches.

  • @Apollo9898LP
    @Apollo9898LP 4 месяца назад

    Yesss! New video from one of my favorite channels

  • @acuerdox
    @acuerdox 4 месяца назад

    Worldbuilding is not for entertainment, its there to keep your story straight.

  • @BKPrice
    @BKPrice 4 месяца назад

    The fact that there is a considerable market for supplementary materials, such as books detailing the specifics of spaceships in Star Wars, indicates that there are quite a few people interested in worldbuilding besides the author. I wouldn't place worldbuilding in such absolute terms, because not all worldbuilding has to be featured in the story. As long as it doesn't serve as a detriment to storytelling, worldbuilding by an author is fine. It might provide the author with some degree of entertainment outside of the task of writing the story. It might lead to some stronger continuity or logic in a story that otherwise might become too jumbled or illogical for readers in general to invest themselves in. I think the more important aspect is the worldbuilding content in the story itself. Don't substitute encyclopedic worldbuilding with good storytelling, and if some piece of worldbuilding is so complicated that it undermines the presentation of the story then ditch it. Ultimately the worldbuilding should be amenable to the normal course of prose, without having to constantly consult a map, glossary or appendix just to follow the story.

  • @MrKampe1900
    @MrKampe1900 5 месяцев назад

    Did you made something with "the centrum"? I would love to see something from this world. I am working on something loosely based on the Early modern period and the thirty years war. I want to explore a world that is torn apart from different believes, cultures, status... What improves an society and what decays it.

  • @kylebrekke6540
    @kylebrekke6540 5 месяцев назад

    I am thoroughly in agreement with the idea that worldbuilding should suit the function of the text as a matter of practicality--as you mentioned, tabletop settings (and some video games) certainly require a deeper level of thought to be made toward the mechanics of its world. I think there are certainly examples of contained stories and the like which experience a great deal of worldbuilding without really ever going into it though as well; ultimately, it's a matter of knowing when to *apply* the world in your story and recognize when your worldbuilding is a kind of procrastination rather than working on the actual thing you want to be making. I think the biggest mistake I see with worldbuilding is when the content of the world actively subverts the message or narrative of a story: establishing rules to a setting that are then subsequently ignored, making narrative parallels between your story and reality when your worldbuilding makes that comparison completely flawed, or simply inserting worldbuilding snippets because the author believes they are necessary for a fantasy or sci-fi story. Those situations are where I really get irritated by excessive set dressing because it feels like the story is in conflict with what we as the audience are told about the world rather than springing from it, which either dampens the impact of the story or makes the writing come across as amateur.

  • @DarthSanguine
    @DarthSanguine 5 месяцев назад

    What a load of bollocks...

  • @GOREilla.
    @GOREilla. 5 месяцев назад

    Yes, it's part of China.

  • @lucasbernardoramires4520
    @lucasbernardoramires4520 5 месяцев назад

    Ohh, no, PC fantasy mapping!

  • @NickGurPlease
    @NickGurPlease 5 месяцев назад

    He said (no) Taiwan is not a part of China. *Presses Subscribe and Like buttons*

  • @IssekOfTheJug
    @IssekOfTheJug 5 месяцев назад

    Just a few months ago I found your channel and pointed my wife toward it, lamenting that you'd dropped two total bangers and then vanished. Very good to have you back!

  • @renaigh
    @renaigh 5 месяцев назад

    I love reading world less stories and imagining what exists beyond the bounds of the page or screen.

  • @Gaybculture
    @Gaybculture 5 месяцев назад

    YAYYYYYY