Wingto Kwong
Wingto Kwong
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Web2Touch 0.1.7 | How to use | MultiTouch And Multi Devices within TouchDesigner!
Hello everyone, I'm Wingto. Over the past few months, I have received feedback from users about the usage of Web2Touch. It integrates seamlessly with TouchDesigner, making creative interaction on mobile internet possible. I highly recommond you watch my previous version video (ruclips.net/video/CwRa9YWyiWI/видео.htmlsi=35ZRbMGcTzKJwbTs) to see how to setup and what should be notice for #Web2touch. if you like it, please give me thumb up and give me more feedback to optimize it!!
Link to the github to download the file: github.com/Wingto/Web2Touch/releases/tag/v0.1.7
If you want to use entire example file in this video, please support in my Patreon. www.patreon.com/posts/web2touch-0-1-7-10...
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Видео

TypeWriter Effect2 in TouchDesigner | TouchArtist
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{TouchArtist - TypeWriter Effect2} Following previous tutorial, let's dive into newly motion continuely! In 2024, we continue to update the TouchArtist column! This year, we will continue to use TouchDesigner as the foundation to delve deeper into experimental visuals. However, this time, I will be sharing in Cantonese! In addition to the Cantonese version, we will also provide Simplified Chine...
TypeWriter Effect in TouchDesigner | TouchArtist
Просмотров 3724 месяца назад
{TouchArtist - TypeWriter Effect} In 2024, we continue to update the TouchArtist column! This year, we will continue to use TouchDesigner as the foundation to delve deeper into experimental visuals. However, this time, I will be sharing in Cantonese! In addition to the Cantonese version, we will also provide Simplified Chinese and English subtitles, so that more people can access our content. I...
Web2Touch 0.1.0 | How to use | Draw everything within TouchDesigner!
Просмотров 5936 месяцев назад
Hi there! In this video I would like to share with you how to use #web2touch in #touchdesigner that's and works on Mac and PC with any mobile device, you just need to connect the same Wi-Fi network! The 0.1.0 version mainly realize the interative drawing or writing with single touch, if you like it, please give me thumb up and give me more feedback to optimize it!! Link to the github to downloa...
How To DRAW ANYTHING in TouchDesigner Tutorial2 From Workshop
Просмотров 4527 месяцев назад
TouchDesigner WorkShop 专项后续 组件用法(TouchDraw1.1) TouchDraw1.1 仅为参与TouchDesigner Creative Beizer Curve WorkShop的学员使用 未参加的宝宝们仍然有名额,请私信我:] 不想错过最新的课程或工作坊,请关注微信公众号THE3 TouchDraw 1.0 is exclusively for participants of the TouchDesigner Creative Bezier Curve Workshop. For those who haven't attended yet, there are still available slots. Please send me a private message :] ,
How To DRAW ANYTHING in TouchDesigner Tutorial From Workshop
Просмотров 2997 месяцев назад
TouchDesigner WorkShop 专项后续 组件用法(TouchDraw1.0) TouchDraw1.0 仅为参与TouchDesigner Creative Beizer Curve WorkShop的学员使用 未参加的宝宝们仍然有名额,请私信我:] 不想错过最新的课程或工作坊,请关注微信公众号THE3 TouchDraw 1.0 is exclusively for participants of the TouchDesigner Creative Bezier Curve Workshop. For those who haven't attended yet, there are still available slots. Please send me a private message :] ,
TouchShortLearn - 插件介绍 Plugin Intro | Function Store Tools | Part2
Просмотров 2379 месяцев назад
github link: github.com/function-store/Fun... One of the hottest plugins in TouchDesigner recently is FunctionStore_tools, and I'm here to walk you through its usage. First and foremost, I'd like to express my gratitude to Daniel Molnar (Function Store) for allowing me to share this plugin with all of you. His design principle is to seamlessly integrate it with the TD software, making it easy f...
TouchShortLearn - 插件介绍 Plugin Intro | Function Store Tools | Part1
Просмотров 48510 месяцев назад
github link: github.com/function-store/FunctionStore_tools One of the hottest plugins in TouchDesigner recently is FunctionStore_tools, and I'm here to walk you through its usage. First and foremost, I'd like to express my gratitude to Daniel Molnar (Function Store) for allowing me to share this plugin with all of you. His design principle is to seamlessly integrate it with the TD software, mak...
TouchShortLearn05 - How to convert sequence data by customizing channel data and visualize it.
Просмотров 68410 месяцев назад
{TouchShortLearn -How to convert sequence data by customizing channel data and visualize it. } Design, Program, Edit - Wingto Cover made with DALL-E: { all of green data , art by Rinko kawauchi, in the style of naturalistic poses, aggresive eyes, soft light, clear water, photography, analog film, super detail, dreamy lofi photography, colorful, volumeteric lighting, shot on fujifilm XT4 8k}
Tile Pattern in TouchDesigner | TouchArtist
Просмотров 2,8 тыс.11 месяцев назад
Here's {TouchArtist} series, next one I wanna share more about visual staff in TouchDesigner, and it's opensource, I hope everyone to join me to develop based on this program. github.com/Wingto/TouchArtist Free project file - www.patreon.com/posts/tile-pattern-in-90558175?Link& Extra examples available for Patron supporters(in the end of video, please check it out) - www.patreon.com/wingto/shop...
AbstractTilePattern in TouchDesigner | TouchArtisit
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Here's {TouchArtist} series, next one I wanna share more about visual staff in TouchDesigner, and it's opensource, I hope everyone to join me to develop based on this program. github.com/Wingto/TouchArtist Free project file - www.patreon.com/posts/abstract-tile-89040839?Link& Extra examples available for Patron supporters(in the end of video, please check it out) - www.patreon.com/posts/tile-pa...
Bouncing images in TouchDesigner | TouchArtist
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Bouncing images in TouchDesigner | TouchArtist
TouchShortLearn04 - How to develop a AutoSum in table.
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TouchShortLearn04 - How to develop a AutoSum in table.
TouchShortLearn03 - how to make responsive table
Просмотров 96Год назад
TouchShortLearn03 - how to make responsive table
TouchShortLearn02 - How to implement the sum operation
Просмотров 108Год назад
TouchShortLearn02 - How to implement the sum operation
TouchShortLearn01 - How to retrieve and print the index from a table
Просмотров 102Год назад
TouchShortLearn01 - How to retrieve and print the index from a table
TouchShortLearn00 - How to run data in DAT in TouchDesigner
Просмотров 810Год назад
TouchShortLearn00 - How to run data in DAT in TouchDesigner
Wingto - [ STOMACH ]
Просмотров 482Год назад
Wingto - [ STOMACH ]
ConstructionStyle | TouchDesiger Tutorial
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ConstructionStyle | TouchDesiger Tutorial
ArcadeStyle | TouchDesiger Tutorial
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ArcadeStyle | TouchDesiger Tutorial
CellShader0 | TouchDesiger Tutorial
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CellShader0 | TouchDesiger Tutorial
AcidStyle0 | TouchDesiger Tutorial
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AcidStyle0 | TouchDesiger Tutorial
SelfCross | TouchDesigner Plugin
Просмотров 7852 года назад
SelfCross | TouchDesigner Plugin
SaverUse | TouchDesigner Plugin
Просмотров 3752 года назад
SaverUse | TouchDesigner Plugin
Wingto - [ TREE N ME ]
Просмотров 2862 года назад
Wingto - [ TREE N ME ]
Wingto - [ sternocleidomastoid ]
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Wingto - [ sternocleidomastoid ]
Wingto - [ LOSE MY MIND ]
Просмотров 1452 года назад
Wingto - [ LOSE MY MIND ]
Wingto - [ C1-C7 ]
Просмотров 2652 года назад
Wingto - [ C1-C7 ]
TouchDesigner Plugin | STAUP插件
Просмотров 6862 года назад
TouchDesigner Plugin | STAUP插件
Substance in TouchDesigner | 眼球材质
Просмотров 6 тыс.3 года назад
Substance in TouchDesigner | 眼球材质

Комментарии

  • @abdulazis3858
    @abdulazis3858 Месяц назад

    why i cant connectid to another device kind like handphone it said cant get reach out or am i has to change the port to try connec it?? or is it cause my td not in the version of 11600 cause mine is 11340

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 29 дней назад

      you don't need to change port at all if you connect with your browser successfully, and if you want to connect other devices, you have to ensure devices connecting with the same Wifi network.

    • @abdulazis3858
      @abdulazis3858 22 дня назад

      @@WingtoKwong okok thanks ill try again, love your work

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 21 день назад

      @@abdulazis3858 thank your support!i hope you can give me more feedback :>

  • @arshinazizi
    @arshinazizi 2 месяца назад

    Wow ,so fantastic and cool tutorial.thanks for sharing your knowlegde 🎉

  • @ENTERTAINMENT-uk1gu
    @ENTERTAINMENT-uk1gu 3 месяца назад

    It’s awesome! Thank your sharing❤

  • @pablo.gascon
    @pablo.gascon 4 месяца назад

    Precioso <3

  • @user-bh2cs1qx1z
    @user-bh2cs1qx1z 4 месяца назад

    你的教程让我感觉焕然一新

  • @hinduspl
    @hinduspl 4 месяца назад

    Super thanks for sharing

  • @borjonx
    @borjonx 4 месяца назад

    This is incredible - very powerful & flexible. I appreciate the format.

  • @markus_knoedel
    @markus_knoedel 4 месяца назад

    Hi. Maybe I have to learn chinese...

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 4 месяца назад

      Hhhh, you don’t need to, I will translate, but Welcome to China

  • @markus_knoedel
    @markus_knoedel 4 месяца назад

    Wow. Super. I will put it to the test.

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 4 месяца назад

      thank you, the new version will be coming soon.

  • @anabelvasquezcedre7250
    @anabelvasquezcedre7250 5 месяцев назад

    Thank you!!

  • @user-yw5ce7rz2t
    @user-yw5ce7rz2t 5 месяцев назад

    NC! 很好的教程!😍

  • @x1muk
    @x1muk 5 месяцев назад

    Короч, у кого не получается увидеть сетку, просто нажмите W

  • @michellejo1257
    @michellejo1257 6 месяцев назад

    Thanks always!, BTW, will you share a tutorial about the base of Selfcross2?

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 6 месяцев назад

      you mean usage of SelfCross2.0?

  • @starinthefuture
    @starinthefuture 6 месяцев назад

    super useful man, appreciate it

  • @sarahtsao8076
    @sarahtsao8076 7 месяцев назад

    Around 2:00 when you insert null4 into chopto1, how did the mesh become like that? why is mine still just a block of white? would really appreciate some help

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 7 месяцев назад

      you have to click shortcut "W" to show the wireframe

  • @hanjihye9a
    @hanjihye9a 7 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the tutorial. There is a hole on top of the eye of the texture, how do I get rid of that?

    • @TR360O
      @TR360O 4 месяца назад

      Running into the same problem, anyone an idea?

  • @user-mv5jc2uj9d
    @user-mv5jc2uj9d 8 месяцев назад

    想问一下我下载之后插件不能使用(打开有红色叉叉)什么原因,我的版本2021与软件不同是不是会有影响

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 8 месяцев назад

      有的,建议用2022

  • @supremebeme
    @supremebeme 8 месяцев назад

    could use replicator too

  • @alexismildren9587
    @alexismildren9587 9 месяцев назад

    I'm having some trouble with the keyboard input on this. For mine when i hit 1 it only grows the value and does not return to zero when the key is released. any advice would be great thank you!

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 9 месяцев назад

      do you make sure your program is running instead of pause

  • @aseedofwheat9928
    @aseedofwheat9928 9 месяцев назад

    Hello, where did null 7 come from in the Topto?

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 9 месяцев назад

      you can send me specific time

    • @aseedofwheat9928
      @aseedofwheat9928 9 месяцев назад

      @@WingtoKwong 1:17 . I wonder where the values in the Topto1 are from

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 9 месяцев назад

      @@aseedofwheat9928 alright, that one is what I used to adjust color for, you can fill with whatever you want:>

  • @FunctionStore
    @FunctionStore 10 месяцев назад

    Thanks a lot Wingto, hope this helps others!

  • @yes_anderson
    @yes_anderson 10 месяцев назад

    how do you create the last bit of it?

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 10 месяцев назад

      which seconds, can you send me

    • @alainanugnis904
      @alainanugnis904 2 месяца назад

      @@WingtoKwong can you please tell how you got it moving the way it is moving in the intro? (:

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 2 месяца назад

      @@alainanugnis904turn if off the FeedbackTOP

  • @shiangchia4337
    @shiangchia4337 10 месяцев назад

    感謝分享!!

  • @markus_knoedel
    @markus_knoedel 10 месяцев назад

    Wow. Slowmo here I come.

  • @CyberRings-NEET
    @CyberRings-NEET 10 месяцев назад

    Where should we send a PM for the crash course details?!

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 10 месяцев назад

      I will send the patron link, sorry i late.

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 10 месяцев назад

      Hi there, can you send me in ig @the3.design , I'm sorry reply for you

  • @mareletudor
    @mareletudor 10 месяцев назад

    cool

  • @distraktionlab
    @distraktionlab 10 месяцев назад

    thanks! very explainotary

  • @CHIEFJAC
    @CHIEFJAC 11 месяцев назад

    🧠love it

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 11 месяцев назад

      Your music also great!

  • @madisonredtfeldt2809
    @madisonredtfeldt2809 11 месяцев назад

    You never showed how to set the parent parameters so that's really throwing my project. Pretty much anytime I use parent().par.blah blah it doesn't work. Would you mind sharing how to configure that on the container?

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 11 месяцев назад

      could you send me specific time in my video with you problems

    • @mrcesatstream
      @mrcesatstream 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@WingtoKwong 0:11 - in the «pattern1» chop parameters «Lenght» and «Amplitude» after putting «parent» functions are getting values of 1 and 0 respectively, and it causes error in chop and these values can't be changed. / P. S. Touchdesigner Version outdated - 099 2021.15800

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 5 месяцев назад

      @@mrcesatstream that just bind expression which I binded data from parent (I haven't show in this video), but you just fill with constant value totally fine.

  • @CyberRings-NEET
    @CyberRings-NEET 11 месяцев назад

    This is incredible.

  • @GerardoHernandez-zh9id
    @GerardoHernandez-zh9id Год назад

    Thank you !

  • @cokehorse1
    @cokehorse1 Год назад

    very cool !! like the music too..

  • @stan8832
    @stan8832 Год назад

    Awesome man, thanks! I was wondering, how did you keep it looping like in the intro?

    • @stan8832
      @stan8832 Год назад

      Ah, I think I got it already! lol

    • @yes_anderson
      @yes_anderson 10 месяцев назад

      how did u figure it out?

  • @matteonardi4207
    @matteonardi4207 Год назад

    thank youuuu wingto! nice tutorial, have a good day

  • @IdiotParty
    @IdiotParty Год назад

    cool tutorial. a little slower would be good

  • @domenicodepalma2751
    @domenicodepalma2751 Год назад

    Hi! And thank you for this amazing tutorial... I've a question about the moviefilein and the level: how do you set the movie file in that "negate" mode? or is the video itself made like that?

  • @mirkonardecchia
    @mirkonardecchia Год назад

    I really appreciate your effort and skills, but this is virtually impossible to follow at this speed. Thanks.

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong Год назад

      I will change the way next tutorial, and you can slow down the speed to watch it , I’m very sorry for this

  • @charlydj12buhscraft
    @charlydj12buhscraft Год назад

    Awesome tutorial, thanks

  • @cadian_music
    @cadian_music Год назад

    super cool, thanks for sharing!

  • @postdaigo
    @postdaigo Год назад

    Amazing! Thank you so much for the tutorial!

  • @mareletudor
    @mareletudor Год назад

    nice! it looks hella cool!

  • @HarisCupina
    @HarisCupina 2 года назад

    Interesting idea to say the least, this .tox's network should be implemented in TD Movie File In Operator natively. it is so essential to have this - kinda seamless looping with crossover - that it is ridiculous to think that it's not jet implemented inhouse. Thank you for sharing this video and your network .tox with us, with my self, I am grateful for it ( YES glitches happen when crossing, jet all it's needed - is to adjust and play with the duration slider, to have them disappear). That resolution limitation help's me see the downgrade difference between input video and 1280pixels one, when crossing. It seems they interchange, one time input video resolution, one time 1280pixel resolution. I hope you find this comment helpful enough, I'm glad that i bumped onto you, onto your channel. Jut now saw that u have answered on my other comment on SaverUs video ;)

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 2 года назад

      Pardon, What I comprehend is that you want to display their resolution due to the resolution limitation, but it also support only one video so you can't see other other to see the downgrade difference.

  • @kamiusu2360
    @kamiusu2360 2 года назад

    Hello! Thank you for a plugin) But in Touch Designer 2021 it works strange, downscales resolution after one repetition, then back to source resolution, then downscales again and so on. Do you have any guesses how to deal with it?

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 2 года назад

      The plug-in built in 2022.24200, so I absolutely suggest you use TD2022.24200 or better, on the other hand the plug-in is still public beta, it limited the maximum resolution 1280 pixel.

    • @kamiusu2360
      @kamiusu2360 2 года назад

      @@WingtoKwong Yes, seems to me it is resolution confrontation. How do think, is it possible add input option in your plugin? It will be great send content from movie file in → resolution → SelfCross

    • @kamiusu2360
      @kamiusu2360 2 года назад

      I have a lot of a video content in HD and it will be time consuming convert it to lower resolution in another program.

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 2 года назад

      @@kamiusu2360 I can make unlock limitation version to the Patron if you need it .

  • @HarisCupina
    @HarisCupina 2 года назад

    Hello, I had to watch it 2times on a small android screen, to see what's it all about here. It seems that you have created a possibility to encompany two or more different COMP controls into 1 window for further manipulation, to be honest that can be really useful(for a new comer like my self), plus the save button with green/red border notifier - is that like a hand positioned, default*, overall controls reminder where I'm at the moment ?! Question regarding encription, once I click that encrypt button for missuse avoidance of the external .tox_es, can they get decripted as well by clicking that very same button??? Can they be decripted by me again? Or that's a one way function, and can't be reversed, once it's done. Thank You for your answer in advance, haris. Will check it out once I sit to work over PC.

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 2 года назад

      Thank your feedback, I saw your replied seem like two question should I answer, First one, if you changed any value of parameter in this plugin, it will remind you by turning color, but I'm will curious about how to develop reminder for specific some value had changed, and Second one, the encryption isn't once, no matter encryption and decripted reflect into on and off of toogle respectively.

    • @HarisCupina
      @HarisCupina 2 года назад

      @@WingtoKwong It would be much more awesome if you could of created an Save button with 10preset's recal slidesr/buttons for later use instead. That way we could track our train of thoughts and intentions as well. At present state when Red, we are only aware that saved state has changed after one parameter got's altered. Number of recall presets is the way to go + green/red edge boundary colors. Oh I just now got it, there is an Encryption Off/On toggle - "Off* is for Decrypted state" and On* is for Encrypted. It can be changed/turned off and on, with that very same toggle by pressing Off or On seemingly.

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 2 года назад

      ​@@HarisCupina Preset's funtionality have existed in TouchDesigner Palette, which call as 'presers' in Techniques in Palette, it will be good you can combine with SaverUse

  • @markus_knoedel
    @markus_knoedel 2 года назад

    That looks very interesting. I will have to try it so I can use it when I need it.

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 2 года назад

      Thank you, I will look forward your feedback:>

  • @kainerda2088
    @kainerda2088 2 года назад

    That may be a matter of taste, but I personally find all these so-called tutorials where the creators don't explain what and why they're actually doing pretty pointless. Simply filming the screen and playing some more or less appealing music is really not very educational. :/

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 2 года назад

      thank you for comment, so how about my tutorial can make your improve in some education.

    • @kainerda2088
      @kainerda2088 2 года назад

      I'm not entirely sure if I understand your answer correctly. But as already written, some explanations of what is being done and why would enhance the video considerably. Explanations are the essential part of a tutorial. Otherwise it might be misleading to use this term for the video title. If you don't want to or can't explain during the recording, at least some subtitles or text overlays might be a solution.

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 2 года назад

      ​@@kainerda2088 You're right, so I'm next no matter tutorial or plugin what developed by myself, I will make explainantion using English, hope more people to understand them. here is my first try ruclips.net/video/45J8z-_QnoM/видео.html

    • @xthefacelessbassistx
      @xthefacelessbassistx Год назад

      @@kainerda2088 i think if you follow along with the video and take the steps he does exactly the same way you learn alot more than you would if you had someone talk you through it. and if you cant figure out whats going on by simply performing the steps then perhaps your knowledge of touchdesigner isnt where it needs to be to be able to learn these types of techniques. as you said it might be matter of personal taste, which could be the case , but i find these tutorials to be much more effective for me because i just do the things in the video and learn about it as it happens which is also more fun for me. if someone spoonfeeds me the whole process i tend to drift off into other things that never work and you also have the variety in each persons teaching style to deal with also. sometimes the tutorial is dope but i cant handle how slow the guy talks or just his cadence or whatever. so yea . thats my thoughts on that... not that you asked lol hope your touchdesigner journey is going better now for you!

  • @postdaigo
    @postdaigo 2 года назад

    Nice one, dude!

  • @adrianfels2985
    @adrianfels2985 2 года назад

    For me the grid doesn't look like a grid. It looks like a plane ...

    • @djh9513
      @djh9513 2 года назад

      did you solve this problem?

    • @adrianfels2985
      @adrianfels2985 2 года назад

      @@djh9513 No sadly not. I think you either have to lower the resolution of each circle or change it from the grid operator. Maybe the circles are so close together that you can't even see each individual circle.

    • @andrearodriguezminambres8519
      @andrearodriguezminambres8519 2 года назад

      In Grid Parameters change the Primitive Type to Polygon and the Connectivity to Rows and Columns.

    • @aniketchauhan9143
      @aniketchauhan9143 2 года назад

      Change the text resolution from null1

    • @domenicodepalma2751
      @domenicodepalma2751 Год назад

      just press W

  • @Yangyang-Zheng999
    @Yangyang-Zheng999 2 года назад

    您好老师有一步骤我没看懂 我把mull4放进chop里 我选转一圈是个是个白边

  • @user-fm6ri9is5n
    @user-fm6ri9is5n 2 года назад

    Hello, I like your example very much. When I tried it, a problem occurred. When I put null2 into geo at 1:55, the render did not display any screen. Do you know why? I would be very grateful if I could answer

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 2 года назад

      check whether click on the purple button of sop in geometry

    • @rindgoooo3686
      @rindgoooo3686 2 года назад

      @@WingtoKwong 我也有同样的问题,但我的紫色按钮一直是开着的,之前的步骤应该都一样。做了两遍,render处还是无法显示,很苦恼

    • @WingtoKwong
      @WingtoKwong 2 года назад

      @@rindgoooo3686 camera有没有对好模型

    • @user-rc4il1qz8v
      @user-rc4il1qz8v 2 года назад

      @@WingtoKwong 我的也是这样前面都是对的 但后面null2传到geo1里 最终render1没有变化

    • @user-rc4il1qz8v
      @user-rc4il1qz8v 2 года назад

      @@rindgoooo3686 Did you solve it, I encountered it too