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3GHz 180-Degree Hybrid RF PCB Design and measurement. Cheap and simple to design.
3GHz 180-Degree Hybrid RF PCB Design and measurement. Cheap and simple to design.
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Link to Wilkinson Combiner video explaining quarter wave transformers in detail:
ruclips.net/video/fxOD7g_L3gk/видео.html
Other parts in this series:
ruclips.net/video/fxOD7g_L3gk/видео.html&list=PLsWHPs7La-3JXgrFtanSCWEKTd7cE8T_l
In this video, I'll show you how to design and build a 180 degree hybrid or rat-race-ring combiner . A 180 degree hybrid is an incredibly useful building block in RF electronics since you can use it as a normal power combiner/divider and as a balun transformer at its operating frequency. I’ll explain the bas...
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Link to Wilkinson Combiner video explaining quarter wave transformers in detail:
ruclips.net/video/fxOD7g_L3gk/видео.html
Other parts in this series:
ruclips.net/video/fxOD7g_L3gk/видео.html&list=PLsWHPs7La-3JXgrFtanSCWEKTd7cE8T_l
In this video, I'll show you how to design and build a 180 degree hybrid or rat-race-ring combiner . A 180 degree hybrid is an incredibly useful building block in RF electronics since you can use it as a normal power combiner/divider and as a balun transformer at its operating frequency. I’ll explain the bas...
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RF PCB DESIGN: Cheap 20dB coupler you can design and build at home.
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RF PCB DESIGN: Cheap 20dB coupler you can design and build at home. Check out my Electronic Product Development Course www.hans-rosenberg.com/courses Get my free Electronics Product Development Checklist www.hans-rosenberg.com/checklist Other parts in this series: ruclips.net/p/PLsWHPs7La-3JXgrFtanSCWEKTd7cE8T_l In this video, I'll show you how to design and build a 20dB coupler using the cheap...
RF Microstrip PCB Design with a Normal Circuit Simulator: A Wilkinson Combiner
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RF Microstrip PCB Design with a Normal Circuit Simulator: A Wilkinson Combiner Check out my Electronic Product Development Course www.hans-rosenberg.com/courses Get my free Electronics Product Development Checklist www.hans-rosenberg.com/checklist Other parts in this series: ruclips.net/p/PLsWHPs7La-3JXgrFtanSCWEKTd7cE8T_l In this video, I'll show you how to design and build a two-stage Wilkins...
Flawless PCB Design: Get The Most From Your LC filter. Part 7
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Flawless PCB design: Q factor impact on an LC low filter. Part 7 Check out the course I'm developing www.hans-rosenberg.com/product_development_course Other parts in this series. These really help to get the full understanding of this video. ruclips.net/video/EEb_0dja8tE/видео.html Get my free Electronics Product Development Checklist www.hans-rosenberg.com/checklist Website www.hans-rosenberg....
Simple Universal RF Amplifier PCB Design - From Schematic to Measurements
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Universal RF amplifier Design - From Schematic to Measurements Get my free Electronics Product Development Checklist www.hans-rosenberg.com/checklist Check out my courses www.hans-rosenberg.com/courses In this video, I'm going to show you a very simple way to design a universal RF amplifier. We'll go over component selection, schematic design, pcb design / layout and measurements. We'll also lo...
flawless PCB design: Bad ground ideas many engineers believe - Part 6
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flawless PCB design: Bad ground ideas many engineers believe - Part 6 Other parts in this series. These really help to get the full understanding of this video. ruclips.net/video/EEb_0dja8tE/видео.html Get my free Electronics Product Development Checklist www.hans-rosenberg.com/checklist Check out my courses www.hans-rosenberg.com/courses In this series, I'm going to show you some very simple r...
5 Real-Life PCB Design Mistakes and How to Fix Them
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5 Real-Life PCB Design Mistakes and How to Fix Them Other parts in this series. These really help to get the full understanding of this video. ruclips.net/video/EEb_0dja8tE/видео.html Get my free Electronics Product Development Checklist www.hans-rosenberg.com/checklist Check out my courses www.hans-rosenberg.com/courses In this series, I'm going to show you some very simple rules to achieve th...
Avoid this floating ground problem. Flawless PCB design - Part 4
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flawless PCB design: Unconnected copper, how to deal with it. Other parts in this series. These really help to get the full understanding of this video. ruclips.net/video/EEb_0dja8tE/видео.html Get my free Electronics Product Development Checklist www.hans-rosenberg.com/checklist Check out my courses www.hans-rosenberg.com/courses In this series, I'm going to show you some very simple rules to ...
Flawless PCB design: Best 2 layer RF grounding - Part 3
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Flawless PCB design: Best 2 layer RF grounding - Part 3 You need to watch these to fully understand this episode: ruclips.net/video/EEb_0dja8tE/видео.html Get my free Electronics Product Development Checklist www.hans-rosenberg.com/checklist Check out my courses www.hans-rosenberg.com/courses In this series, I'm going to show you some very simple rules to achieve the highest performance from yo...
Flawless PCB design: 3 simple rules - Part 2
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Flawless PCB design: 3 simple rules - Part 2 Other parts in this series. These really help to get the full understanding of this video. ruclips.net/video/EEb_0dja8tE/видео.html Get my free Electronics Product Development Checklist www.hans-rosenberg.com/checklist Check out my courses www.hans-rosenberg.com/courses In this series, I'm going to show you some very simple rules to achieve the highe...
Flawless PCB design: RF rules of thumb - Part 1
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Flawless PCB design: RF rules of thumb - Part 1 Other parts in this series: ruclips.net/video/EEb_0dja8tE/видео.html Get my free Electronics Product Development Checklist www.hans-rosenberg.com/checklist Check out my courses www.hans-rosenberg.com/courses In this series, I'm going to show you some very simple rules to achieve the highest performance from your radio frequency PCB design for your...
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Theoretical question: can the same circuit diagram be used with KT805b transistors?
Hi, no, this is not possible. The devices I'm using are gain blocks. They contain multiple transistors and bias circuits. Best regards, Hans
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Star ground is often misapplied, and almost certainly the ground trace making up the "star" shouldn't be really skinny and narrow. However there are situations where you need to transmit a single-ended, audio-frequency, microvolt-level signal adjacent to some big power-hungry thing switching a lot of current and it's these cases where the star ground is a useful tool. For example, you might have an audio preamp going to a 16-bit ADC adjacent to a powerful CPU. For 1v amplitude and 16-bit resolution, one LSB is 15 microvolts so the 16-bit audio signal is fairly sensitive to crosstalk and common-mode effects. In this example, assume the CPU is taking interrupts or doing some other work at audio frequency rates, e.g. 60 Hz display refresh or 1 kHz USB SOF interrupt. Therefore its power consumption will vary correspondingly as the CPU wakes up to handle the interrupts and goes back to sleep. On something like a 12x12 inch board with a typical 1/2 oz copper ground plane and even a modestly powerful CPU, audio-frequency current driven across the system ground plane as the CPU wakes up and goes back to idle create audio-frequency potential differences across the digital plane which exceed that 15 microvolt noise threshold to actually get 16-bit quantization. Now in the presence of this small but significant ground shift, how do you communicate your single-ended, 15 microvolt sensitivity signal from the preamp to the ADC without it getting screwed up due to ground shift between the preamp and ADC? Well, one technique to solve this is to locate the preamp and ADC ground pins right next to each other. Very small distance between the ground vias means basically no potential difference. Another technique is to lay out the board such that area of the ground plane where your CPU's switching is creating is creating potential differences just does not overlap with the path between the ground pins of your analog chips. That way the CPU's switching currents may be making a potential difference in the part of the plane between the CPU and its VRM, but your analog signal processing is elsewhere on the board and is unaffected by ground shifts caused by the CPU. (Third idea: build the whole CPU out of constant-current logic like ECL. Haha just kidding!) However those techniques only go so far. What if there are some non-negotiable thermal or mechanical constraints forcing you to put the CPU and analog circuitry such that the CPU's induced ground shifts do indeed overlap the analog circuitry? At some point of increasing mechanical constraint, quantity of sensitive analog circuitry, and audio-frequency dI/dt from big switching SMPS or CPU or whatever, star routing of the ground becomes a useful tool if you apply it with sufficient care and understanding. The same is true of splitting the ground plane. It's hard if not impossible to eliminate capacitive coupling between adjacent planes, but as with the star ground, I can imagine combinations of electrical and mechanical constraints where you basically need two ground planes. Of course make sure to move signals across the two with optical isolation, transformer to create a "true" differential pair, "iCoupler," etc.
Fantastic reply! I choose to leave out exceptions here for this video because I didn't want to confuse (it was a difficult choice) and because almost all the problems I've solved in pcb's that I was called in to solve were solved by simply adding a ground plane without obstructions. In my course I'm going deeper into the subject and I'm using similar examples you're coming up with. My example is an audio power amplifier where you don't want the slightest voltage drop across your ground-plane to get into the signal input ground. Best regards, Hans
Great video! When you say, "Make sure to have a ground-plane without obstructions", does that include vias? If so, how are you supposed to take advantage of the other layers of the board (i.e., if layer 2 is my ground plane, how do I get to layers 3 and 4 without vias)?
vias are not a problem. A 'via wall' as I call it (many vias next to each other making a big slot in the ground plane) does pose a problem. The via's are so small that the current travelling around them will cause a problem at very high frequencies (at least 20GHz or higher). I believe I go deeper into it in this video: ruclips.net/video/XD1jqFaA-uI/видео.html Best regards, Hans
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I'm pretty conflicted on the vias allowing the electromagnetic energy to flow. I have also believed this, but if you review Lee Ritchey's Right The First Time, Vol 1 or 2, he will tell you that there isn't much evidence of this. Rather the more important thing is that you have propper interplane capacitance to allow for the currents to return by displacement currents rather than conducting currents. I am loving this video because it is bringing out a lot of what I have heard, and stuff from other professionals who have been doing this for some time, and the disagreements between them.
Which examples are you talking about when talking about vias allowing electromagnetic energy to flow? What is really happening is that there is less electromagnetic energy due to vias because the loops are smaller (this is a general remark without knowing the exact example you talk about). Displacement currents is not really what you ideally want. It creates waves between the planes which will interfere with other signals. You want to make sure at all times that return loops are as small as possible and you can only do that by giving those currents a way back with a conductor (in this case a via). Currents will find a return path, but if it is displacement current, you will cause a lot of interference. Does this make sense?
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This obstruction test would be really cool to see with an L-shaped trace!
I've got something much better on my latest testboard. A u shape, which proves that currents really take the very long way around under the trace.
Looks great. As you said can get SMA connectors as cheap as 50c each but quality will decrease. They are still more consistent quality than BNC though, since they are SMD parts.
I wonder if someone made an end-lauch bnc connector.....
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Hi Hans. Thanks for the great videos, they perfectly match my style of learning and understanding! I had an idea about the coupling - not really sure how practical it would be in a real board though. On a 4 layer board could you alternate the loops between layers 1-2 and layers 3-4 to reduce coupling? Either by mounting components on both sides, or by some via trickery?
That is a nice idea! However, I don't like putting components on both sides. It is much less practical. However, if you want even more performance, that should work very well. I did not think of this one for this filter yet. Maybe I'll try this in a testboard at some point. With a 2 layer, it will be difficult, as you cannot place a goundplane between the top and bottom, you're out of layers. With a 4-layer, this might give a slight advantage. I'm curious how much....
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Hi, thanks for the videos. But what about the VCC plane. It is usually done in a iner layer for 4 layer PCB. It is a good practice to to this? Thnaks
Hi, powerplanes are only really needed if currents are way over 10A. I would use wide traces for supplies. That limits the resistance and inductance. A 2.5mm trace has no problem dealing with 10A. The most used stackup is s-g-g-s. Where s=signal, g=ground.
@@HansRosenberg74 Thanks a lot for your quick answer. I ask this because, a PCB with many ICs, there is the posibility to have many VDD pins and it is easier to have a VDD plane for a quick connection, but there is a better way to do this? Thanks again
sorry, did not see your reply earlier. If you can spare a full layer as a supply plane: Why not, it's much easier :-)
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It’s nice and awesome to find these kinds of resources so well explained! Could you send me the checklist, please and thanks? :D
Thanks a lot! Link is in the description. I'm also building a course at the moment that takes it to a whole other level. Best regards, Hans
Can you increas the bandwith of that hyprid by desighning the PCB with more concentic conductive circle? Or could this hybrid be design as cone, so each additional circle could be in different plain. I see some wide band inductors that are design as cone shape to increas frequency responce. Wonder if that will work for hybride.
I didn't study how to make this thing more wideband. I think that you could use the same trick that I'm using in the wilkinson combiner video, multistage 1/4 wave transformers. That would mess up the phase however, unless you go for 3-stage transformers, then you end up at -90 degrees instead of 90 degrees for each section which should work in theory. However, I'd test this first in a simulator. Using google might reveal how to make these things wideband although this kind of info is usually hard to find.
Would there be any advantage in going multilayer and using the outer layers as screening for the hybrid? Obviously the track widths would have to change to compensate for the extra ground plane etc.
I don't think so. This structure will hardly radiate either so I don't think it would greatly improve. The difficulty of a multilayer would be how to get the signal from the inner layer to the top layer where you can connect it to an sma connector without problems. Or you could use a through-hole sma connector and directly connect to the center-pin, but you might have to control the ground on all layers to make sure that you don't add a large parasitic capacitance there. All in all, this approach is safer. And, if you seriously want to use one of these, it should be in a metal case. It's not needed, I did some very accurate measurements on a radar system with one of these without a case, just make sure no metal gets close to it.
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Could you suggest a loss calculator for a Grounded CPW PCB like you did in this video for a microstrip?
I would just google it, I don't have a specific recommendation
Very good process steps to get started on the RF path - RF is an endless learning journey. 3 other figure of merits to measure which I think are quite useful are Noise Figure, Return Loss and Two-Tone Intermodulation (IP3 or linearity). Noise figure can be measured easily and reasonably accurate without a noise source since it has some gain - gain method measurement. A few things, I think, that may impact the roll-off at >1 GHz: (1) Transition from microstrip to larger SMD pads increases capacitances. Some tricks arounds are to either use smaller SMD packages and/or use a stackup so that the microstrip lines are around the same size as the pads. (2) Also, FR4's Dk changes with frequency as it varies with frequency. If the 50R transmission line was designed for Dk at 100MHz, we can expect it to be less 50R at higher frequencies and eventually becoming more inductive. Cheers!
Hi, thanks for the ideas. I don't have 2 signal generators so I cannot do IP3. For noise I was a bit worried about the accuracy. Matching would have been an easy one, I forgot about that one!
For drawing the ring with a given radius, do you take the inner size, the middle of the conductor, or the outer size? My guess would be the middle of the conductor but this may have some impact in the exact center frequency. Looking at the radius cs trace width this may be close to the difference you measure in the demo
I think electromagnetically, the current might travel on the inside of the ring, since that would be the path of least inductance. But I'm not sure if the ring is maybe too big to cause that. It probably follows the inner diameter because of smallest resistance and inductance. the error is most likely caused by the FR4 not being very accurate with its Er (dieelectric constant)
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Hans; I haven't read it all yet, but the "book" has only 16 pages... As a "checklist", that's quite a bit, as a "book", a bit thin! Value, that's probably pretty good, for the cost of joining a mailing list.
Haha, yes, it's in between a checklist and a book for sure :-) If you're sure you never want to buy one of my courses, you could unsubscribe. I don't spam a lot. Once a month, but it will be a bit more when I launch my course in April. Those courses are hopefully my way to pay for making these videos and earn a living. Hope the 'booklist' helps you with your projects :-)