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I recommend the new (in the U.S.) Honda Dax 125 or the Honda Trail 125 as the two next closest options.

Honda is bringing the DAX 125 to the U.S. starting 2025. It has ABS and is fuel injected. I would HIGHLY recommend it to anyone looking for their next step from the Navi.

Yup! "what is that? Is it electric? Is that a kick start? It's carburbated?!" And then when done filling it up, due to the efficiency of the Navi and small tank size everyone ends up cracking up again because the total is something like 1.09 cents.

Thank you for commenting! Gotta love both the Genesis and SNES. I have another video on my SNES and games, feel free to take a watch if you like!

@@Niremichi will do 🫡

Yes it definitely works well as a commuter solution, I used it in that capacity as well! The storage compartment is great to put work bags etc. as well and don't have to worry about it getting wet.

Most of the roads around me leading farther than 15 miles from my home are 45 minimum

Indeed as you say on the valve check and the 50 cc's!

Glad you like it! Yes, definitely get the license and you will be good to go!! Have fun!

@Niremichi thanks man, working on it just got the permit.

Hi! 👋 I understand your feeling on this. It makes sense Ruckus and Metro get better mpg since they are fuel injected. If you have already experienced Navi and now see the benefit of the more modern powertrains on the Metro and Ruckus, considering the Honda 125 cc lineup (Grom/Monkey/Super Cub/Trail125) might be the best direction.

Hi on that video I hit 63 mph, but I did another run (see other video) and it got up to 65 mph. I have paced it up a number of times now on flat ground and with no headwind and no load on the luggage rack, it will top out at 65 mph, but on a downgrade it can go a little bit beyond 65 mph.

@Niremichi wow, I'm 205 and can only squeeze 54 tops, average around 48 mph. It's plenty fast on those skinny wheels though 😁

@@filobetobaby yeah its a great bike but weight or lack there of makes a HUGE difference in ability of getting it beyond the 50s mph range or not. When I put max weight on the luggage rack, it tops out at 55 mph.

Navi is fun!! 👍 That is awesome the hear!

Woah dude your Trail has been through some crazy stuff. I guess you had the bike repaired/replaced after you hit the deer?? I really want the OEM USB charger

5'9" , 260 lbs Carries me at 40mph , 3/4 throttle.

I would buy a 150 Navi. Subbed ☕😁👍

​@@cb3391a 150 navi would be great but then why would they have the ct 125 or the from or monkey or such

Different markets, I read that there is an upgraded Navi in india. I say why not?

Yeah this is true. I would say the ride experience next step would be the Honda Dax 125! However it doesn't have any storage which is such a strong point for the Navi!

Yeah, it might be a me issue, if I wore motorcycle boots with a toe plate or maybe if my foot itself was a little longer so where I pull up was a little more on the body of my foot it could be different... At this point I have learned the joys of heel upshifting however haha, gotta love being able to ride in sandals!

@@NiremichiI caved to the heel shifting as well 😅 This is my second Trail 125. My first one I adjusted the toe-heel shifter to focus on toe shifting… don’t mind the heel shifting… prefer it now

I understand your take on this. It is true for many a scooter could be a better starting point in terms of value or in terms of not needing to later trade up, but the Navi fits the "good enough" sweet spot broadly and is not intimidating, which helps get a lot of ppl enjoying and learning how to ride. The price paid for a Navi will vary based on dealer and state, but if one shops around a fair price can be had. Of course, one could go get a dirt cheap and reliable Chinese 150cc scooter online, but not everyone is comfortable with that.

Yes! I had to stop and take a video.

That is a solid idea! I've heard of people literally sawing it off as well lol. Another commenter recommended getting foam and zip tying it to the handle, which is another good solution.

Nice! Seat customization seems to be the first step a lot of folks take with the Trail 125.

Awesome! 👍

Hi Richard! Agreed on all points! It was a hard decision between that Green and Yellow for the Trail, hands down best colors. The Dax can't come soon enough! I was in Japan a few weeks ago and visited two Honda dealers, both had Trails in stock and one had an unsold Dax. It is even better looking in person. How does your son like his Grom? I think the 2024 redesign is ugly and prefer the 2023 styling.

Yes sir, gotta love that kick start, and the storage is great on the Navi. Maintenance is super minimal. I never had it serviced, just change the oil and cleaned the filter myself. I never touched the carb either. Eventually the drive belt will die around 8k miles but a new one costs like 15 bucks. I didn't have any issues with tire wearing down fast but that might depend a lot on weight of the rider and/or if someone put a additional storage box on the back. Gouging is an issue for all Honda bikes bought new unfortunately, particularly the minimotos. They will throw out a real high quote first just to see if u take it, but calling around or making a hard offer "I can do 3k flat" etc. might do the trick.

I agree! The two concepts you describe sort of have been actualized, albeit not in total but half and half at the (1) Honda Trail 125 (2) Honda Dax 125. Unfortunately, the Dax 125 is still yet to come to the U.S., but I saw it at the dealer in Japan last month and man it is a great looking bike.

@@Niremichi the Honda Dax is the revamped CT 70 with a 125 cc engine . Nothing much good comes to North America for some reason, it’s mainly south east Asia , India etc that get the good ones . The only reason we got the Navi is because Honda decided to make them in Mexico. But the US epa and the dot are too stringent , as well as the duty probably prevent the importation of the Dax and others. I just don’t like the automatic transmission, much prefer the hi low speed gears on the Honda 110 , I haven’t taken a good look at the trail 125 yet.

@@flyinphil42 I'm the terms of the new Dax, my understanding is it hasn't come here yet as a business decision, not because of U.S. rules, because it has the same engine as the Grom, super Cub, Hunter Cub and monkey, all of which are already here. I agree it is a shame none of these "modern retro" minimotos have the hi-low functionality, and it is frustrating as that is a downgrade particularly if you experienced it previously. Most ppl buying these bikes now were probably babies or not even born yet when the original series were available though and don't know about it however.

Yes! They were riding the current downstream.

Hi! That is a good question. I know for sure the widest point would be the handlebars themselves. I apologize I sold mine and am not able to measure it directly, but I believe you might be able to find the details on the Honda website. The body of Navi itself is not very wide. Another quirk is the stock muffler is a bit unique on sticks out a bit on the right side of the bike. The Navi is definitely easy to store in my experience, but you shouldn't expect it will never match a e-bike in this area as many e-bikes can be physically folded, some in half and others partially.

@@Niremichi Thank you for the timely response! Yea, my e-bikes don't fold and are easily stored indoors (townhome). I was looking into purchasing a small-er plastic-blend type shed to put on my back porch. Just figuring everything out, ya know? Thanks again.

@@crooked_river_pyro I see. Yes a small shed would be adequate to fit the Navi. If you have the time, it might be worth it to actually just visit any motorcycle dealer near you and take a look at the Navi in person, as you can only get so far with measurements, and have a direct "feel" might help you get the right size shed (you might want to get a shed with a little extra space in case you decide to trade up to slightly bigger bike at some point as well)

Hi Don, as far as I can tell, both from the settings at the camera itself, and from the footage I have taken, yes, EIS is working correctly at 4K60. The EIS option once "on" is applied across all the resolutions, including 4k. Nothing wierd happens where, for example, it suddenly gets switched to "off" or gets grayed out when I go to 4k. EIS was a key feature for me when choosing since I am using for motorcycle footage, and obviously no one wants to see shaky video. Hope this helps and cheers.

@@Niremichi Thanks, I would be mountain biking with it, so important.

Hi, yes! I agree, the wind isn't bothering me as much now, I realized that personally a big part of this is due to the season, now it is summer I don't really notice as much because the air is warming. The cold was killing me in the spring. I actually just made a new video mentioning this and other points, so please do check that one out as well if you like!!

Right?! The concept is good but it really foams up and goes everywhere. If the can rim went up another 1 cm, it wouldn't be as big of a mess.

I agree that would be nice! even if not 5 gears, just but first gear on the other side and just give me three wider gear ranges to work through, it would cut back on having to constantly slap my way throw the lower speed zones.

Hahaha good ear thank you!

No kidding! Well that explains a lot... 😅 Snapped knees sounds beyond painful.

My understanding is that the foot break is linked and the right handle break is front only. As a result when I rode the Navi, I mostly used the foot break, and pumped the hand break as necessary.

Yes! Light, cheap and simple. I agree the tires, while fully adequate, are for better or worse "budget". That said I drove many times in the rain with them for decent distances, albeit very carefully, as aggressively movement would be irresponsible.

Wow! Benjamin, thank you for such kind words!! I am glad you are enjoying the Navi! It is great how a good simple and practical machine can bring a lot of smiles. I grinned as well the first time I rode it too. All the best to you, and please take care!! 👍

That is a 👍 suggestion, and I really might just to that.

Awesome!! I really like that 2023 Green. Congrats!!

Yup!! In the winter turning on and running it at least once a month for a good 10 minutes to get it good and hot is a good idea though!

5'6-7, but I don't think height alone is a the main factor for the particular gripes, the bike feels generally made to about my height range. if I was taller the wind might be even worse. If I could have one single change out of everything, it would either A) bike to be physically lighter by roughly 10 lbs. or for it to come with the Zeta Large Windshield standard (Honda has an OEM windshield for the 125 that is only available in Canada, but it is too small and requires the front carrier which I don't think is practical and pointless increases wind resistance and weight

Awesome!! Yes, there are lots of motorcycles out their, most better on paper but the Navi is simply good vibes! I felt the same way the moment I bought as well. Grinned from the first time I got one.

Agree

What did you pay?

@@Enrique-peralta 1300 T T l out the door