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@@NintendoDS_fan425 Yeah we believe that this is the original sample that was used, though it had some post processing / filtering done before being used in the game (along with having the incorrect bit order, which ironically happened to sound cooler).

Oh yeah I agree definitely, and I even like it more with the bits in the wrong order, but it was still nice to find the source for the sample.

It was 5 notes on NES/Famicom so that it could cover all pitches due to limitations, but I believe the actual AKAI sampler was just repitching this sample and post processing it, and that the NES was just using 5 of those resampled as DPCM.

@@steo.c Hmmm... interesting.

I found the original sample that was used for Sunsoft Bass and used it in N163.

Agreed. I even prefer the incorrect bit order they used it in on the NES, even though it was unintentional.

@@steo.c what do you mean by that?

@@newsuperbowserworld Every byte had their bits read in the wrong order, because the programmers didn't know that the bits needed to be reversed due to how 2A03 works. In short, the sample was essentially corrupted accidentally.

I'm liking it in N163. 😝

@@steo.c Yes rpoblem. It was pretty hard to find because

It sounds like it, but there's not really any info about the waveform itself, other than it being called MKS 1. These old disk images are a little obscure.

@@steo.c MKS could refer to the Roland MKS-80, a synth from 1984-1987. It does sound like FM though, but a similar sound could be potentially done with oscillator sync and resonance on an MKS-80. Though on second listen, I'm getting Yamaha DX100 or Yamaha FB-01 vibes....

@@zxbryc Thanks for the input. It definitely does sound very FM like, and yeah it would be nice to find out exactly where the sample originated from to even get onto those AKAI disk images. It would be cool to find out, along with exactly how they post processed it for NES. The closest I get to the same shape is using a high pass or shelf filter, though admittedly I like the deep punch it has without any filters applied.

Yeah totally the AKAI uses the stupid SF2 format

@@Mizu2023 Why is sf2 stupid??

​@@BoinguMcGoingu yeah why?

​@@ameen272-amin Its just a soundfont.

@@ameen272-aminthe soundfont is innocent!!!

It sounds like it, but it's hard to tell of that's just because of how heavily compressed it sounds in DPCM (it's incapable of jumping position that quickly and it kind of distorts it). They definitely have some sort of filter applied to remove some of the lower end in their version though.

JTS bass is pretty much the final piece of the puzzle, as Gimmick's own bass is similar to Seinfield theme's bass

@@retneychozken the gimmick slap bass? it's just slap bass 2 from the roland sc-55

@@luigikoopa8771 i know :3

Thanks. I honestly feel like it's much more empty than what I would make nowadays, but maybe not everything has to be crazy lol.

Yeah I was actually wondering for example could it be closely replicated in YM2612. Also yeah I wonder this also, but there are so many slap basses in these that it would probably be harder to compare if it's the same, where this sample stands out a lot.

There is a DX7 bass patch (number 15 on master rom 1a) which is closest to this one. But the high-tone modulator is a little bit lower.

Or if this bass has non-sine waveforms, then i think it could be in another fm synth (i've been tried it in my software DX7 synth and it's kinda hard to compare the high-tone modulator sound)

wait what there's an audio track?

Yeah, the closest I can get this to sounding like Sunsoft Bass is by applying a high pass filter or low shelf filter. You can see it forming the same shape as the waveform too after applying a filter like that, but it's also inverted (upside down).

​@@steo.chave you tried compressing the fuck out of it first? /s /j

U just acknowledged the fact lol

Anything before s1000 is unrecoverable

@@snesmocha does the the library contain the samples from Gimmick too?

I found them here, but the people in charge will only give out the password to people who request it from them on their Facebook page: zine.r-massive.com/akai-s900-archive/ The samples are in HFE files, there is raw wav data stored within them.

@@steo.c I converted some samplesbanks on that site and turned them into sf2s back in 2020 onto mediafire but idk if I can post the link without the comment being deleted... :/

@@YoshiLightStar Post it anyway. You can view "blocked" comments on videos by sorting comments by newest.